GOATFrerotte

Agreed, I don't think it's unreasonable at all to hope and expect the #2 can't miss pick in the draft to do something special as a rookie. Like it would be cool to have someone that is top 10 in something or pushing for rookie records. Nick Bosa looked special last year and you could compare his numbers to elite ends who aren't even rookies. Our guy is playing through an injury, getting doubled too much, players around him aren't good enough, etc, etc, etc, etc.

No, numbers aren't all that matters but they are important. Like you'd like to see some production in the backfield like hits on the qb, tackles for loss, pressures, etc. I'm just saying people questioning Chase's pass rushing effectiveness have legitimate concerns and it's not comparable to complaining about him only having 10 sacks because he doesn't. He doesn't really have any numbers that are good enough that would indicate someone is complaining just to complain.

That's not true. No one complains about Terry because he does nothing but produce. If Chase had production like 10 sacks we'd all be talking about how great he is. But he doesn't and his numbers are pretty mediocre up to this point.

This is my concern as well. His sacks he might get to 6-7 which is fine but his other production numbers in the back field are terrible. Nick Bosa pretty much had double the production in most backfield production numbers. And some stats like QB hits, had 14 through his first 8 games. I was just hoping for one of those special rookie seasons. But here we are comparing him to other d ends who struggle their rookie years. Reminds me of the Haskins thread. Oh well.

Maybe you're right. I like Chase and fully expect him to be a leader on this team for a long time. Which I guess makes him worth the #2 pick. Having leaders is a great thing. I'm just saying his lack of production in the backfield is a cause for concern. He's definitely not going to come close to breaking any rookie records or having a special rookie season. Just was hoping for more. Unfortunately, I'm just seeing a really good athlete like Clowney. But much more likeable than him.

Alright, I honestly had no clue where you were going with the comment about the alternative reasons. If this is the case, that's fair. Maybe it's because he's triple teamed, the rest of the team sucks around him, the qb is throwing the ball too quickly, he's playing injured, whatever it is he's not producing in the backfield. 5 tackles for loss and hitting the qb 4 times and knocking him down once in half a season just throws up red flags for me and not the kind of production I expected from him.

Oh I get it. I'm just talking about him as a #2 pick in the draft and not some developmental player. I mean he's hit the qb 4 times all year. In comparison Bosa had 14 hits on the qb in his first 8 games last year. The lack of production in the backfield should be a concern to anyone. Because they aren't just disappointing numbers, they are really bad, especially the last 6 games.

I honestly don't know what the alternative can be that makes you sad? Are you saying there has to be some agenda other than just concern over the lack of production in the back field? I don't get it.

He had a good series there and that forced fumble hit at the goal line was definitely the game changing play you like to see. But through 8 games he hasn't even come close to producing behind the line of scrimmage that you'd like to see from a #2 can't pass up draft pick. Another game where he didn't really do anything in the backfield, although that tackle on the same series on the RB started in the back field which was I think his only contact back there. Just looks like a class below the Nick Bosa type of DEs when it comes to dominating the line of scrimmage and causing havoc in the backfield. Oh well, maybe he's a late bloomer and will turn it on after some experience.

Mac Jones can sling it

Fields starting to look like a #2 pick again. Throwing ropes and running all over the place

True, I definitely wouldn't take him with a top 10 pick. But he's slowly growing on me. I'm going back and forth between him and Mac Jones as potential long shots.

Fields looking human, making terrible throws. Trask is growing on me. But he might be a poor man's Burrow.

Having Tua right now would have been so much fun. Still upset we passed on him. But oh well if we find a qb in the next draft and Young turns out to be worth a #2 pick it will work out. But it’s not the best sign teams can already take Young out of the game.

I'm in the same boat, except my expectations have gone to just praying he has a career as good as Kerrigans. I just don't see it watching the games, sometimes I forget he even played because you rarely hear his name or see him make plays. So questioning the lack of productions seems like a normal thing yet these guys seem to be arguing that other teams have successful game plans that shut him down. Oh well, maybe he turns out to be the generational can't pass up #2 pick that we were sold. I have my doubts.

I mean, it's pretty subjective to say someone who isn't producing is actually really good. All I'm hearing is teams have game plans that shut him down. And that's a good thing? Haha. Not being cynical at all, just realistic.

I hope you're right. I definitely don't think you are, but we will see. Anyone who's not a little concerned about the lack of production is just being naïve. You would hope the #2 pick in the draft and an absolute can't miss talent was a little more disruptive than he's been.

I've heard so many excuses for the lack of production of Washington draft picks the past 30 years I just can't anymore. We just went through this same thing with Haskins. His pressures are barely more than a 4th round draft pick and he's barely top 90 in the league. If that's what you expect out of the #2 pick in the draft who's supposed to be an absolute game changer and dominate the line of scrimmage, than I don't know what to tell you. Wilfork was a massive DT and Kirk is a QB. Let me know about other elite DE's that don't put up productive numbers. Since you watch games and are a big expert. Lol.

Not sure if you know this, but production is kind of important in the game of football.

Depends where you look. The qb pressures (qb knockdowns + qb hurries + sacks) he's tied for 87th with 1 knockdown, 3 hurries, and 3.5 sacks. I mean if you guys see something special that's fine, I just haven't seen anything that impressive for a #2 can't pass up pick.

He has 1 sack, 2 qb hits, and 3 tackles for loss in his last 5 games. He's also had 1 qb knock this year, and 3 qb hurries. He also was easily handled by one blocker yesterday and provided no impact to the game. I've watched every game this year, and it's ridiculous to try to pretend he's lived up to expectations. He's been underwhelming by every stretch. Someone who should be dominating the line of scrimmage and making an easy to see impact every game. There has been nothing impressive about his season this far. I'm glad he has made 1 or 2 plays this season. I mean, when you have as low expectations as you do, it doesn't take much to impress, lol.

“Dumb” to expect more from the #2 pick than what he’s given the past 5 games and the season as a whole. Okay. Good luck with those low expectations.

Sacks are the least of his issues. He has no impact on the game. Easily blocked with a single guy.

Been pretty mediocre the last 5 games, not what you expect to be getting with the #2 pick. Oh well, the odds of our picks being busts is far greater than them being good.

Agree completely. If you want to develop a winning culture you do everything you can to win and winning this division, no matter how bad it is, would be a huge success for this team that was predicted to be one of the worst. Wanting to lose for draft picks is as loser mentality as it gets.