The Hangman- C_Hanburger

2 hours ago, FLSkinz83 said:

 

They refuse to learn....WTF?

Anybody think the Jet's Wilson is salvageable next season for a flier? What happened to that guy?

A sneak..against this D. #8 was eating....Turner, what a SSOB

4 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Yeah but inserting Wentz after TH struggles against this defense seems like it won’t work and is kindof unfair.  
 

But whatever.  

If Wentz gets in, he'll have to play with abandon (not hold the damn ball). This would be his last chance at any good money by staying a starter here. I think it would be fair to give him that last shot at a very good D to prove himself.

1 hour ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Doesn't chase primarily line up on the left side against the RT? I'd imagine Sweat will go up against Trent since he's been healthy.

 

I remember him over the left O-L-tackle and Sweat covered the right..The Cam sack against the Patriots and the interceptions before that. My memory could be wrong but *I* think thats right. Trent is the Left Tackle. But it's possible they let Sweat continue over the L tackle since thats where he's been playing

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Going up against Trent. That will be interesting to watch

4 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

No team is going to willingly roll out a QB that provides nothing when they have access to an entire offseason and the options that brings, even if you run an observably rushing predicated O. That is simply giving up an avenue to hurt an opponent, and a major one at that.

 

Even if your gonna be like the Titans, where everything goes thru the RBs, you still gotta invest in someone who can do something passing the ball like Tanny.

 

If you fully lean into the run, you gotta have that dynamic running threat at QB like Jackson or Fields. The 9ers saw this and went after Lance, and still had competent passing to fall back on in Jimmy G.

 

Other high run rate teams follow a similar formula. ATL started the year w/ Mariotta, Phi has Hurts. Even if you were not confident in their ability to pass, there was no reason to doubt their abilities to produce on the ground.

 

No team in the NFL outside of injury will sit around all offseason and punt on the idea of getting something out of the QB position. If you cant get that competent passer, you'll get a guy who can run and over his span of play TH has proven he can be neither of those guys so he won't be an option to start for anybody.

 

We have seen it play out here the last 2 offseasons with Fitz and Wentz. You gotta have a guy in the fold where you can project some form of production.

So rolling the dice on developing Howell for 2023 and/or Wentz reduced to 2.0 with TH as a *insurance* hedge would be a non-starter?  I know it's a gamble..I agree with what you are saying (assuming Howell and Wentz have no chance of contributing in 2023).

Serious question. Why wouldn't this work with TH for next year (if a legit FA-QB doesn't fall into our laps in the draft). TH is CHEAP...use that money for FA's and draft to get some *Monster* TE's and OL for 2023 and KEEP this strategy for 1 more year. Try and develop Howell or even Carson next year. Spending that much cap space for anther FA QB with no OLine just doesn't add much to the win column.

I'm OK with smash mouth football if you have the tools AND the DEFENSE. TH will allow us to keep the band together on D.

What say you experts? Please, no flames, just want to hear some logic against..

Many THX

24 minutes ago, kleese said:

Count me in on the “not so fast” group preferring to go to Minnesota over SF. I 100% agree that the 49ers are better/more talented team than Vikings. But SF IS starting a third-string rookie QB and we have a VERY stout defense. They may have also lost Deebo. In addition, the Dome is a more difficult road environment in general. 
 

We will see how it all shakes out— by that time, perhaps I’d be on board preferring Minny as well, but I don’t think it’s an open and shut case. Kirk + JJ is a very tough task. 

I want to knock KC out of the playoffs. So given that...I want a shot at Minny. Also I want TH to scream "You like that" in KC's face

22 minutes ago, NoVaSkins21 said:

This team is lucky as hell that the Falcons went Seahawks vs Patriots in the SB by passing the ball instead of running it.  Heinicke is a slightly better version of Alex Smith with mobility.  He is what he is, but he can be better.  Defense is still leading this team

Ya..that pass was a brain f*rt....they could have punched it in on the ground. Skins got lucky (with great play though on D)

Why did Atlanta succeed in gashing the D running the ball...was it;

1) Their OL scheme was something we more than expected?

2) Our LB's weren't filling the gaps well. (KDAWG saw no "duds" here??).

3) Their backs were better than our previous opponents in the winning streak

How would we stop a repeat of this with Barkley and Elliot...

Got me worried our D has been exposed some.

19 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Respectfully, every streaming option sucks 😂 my dads been trying to get the cowboys Vikings game on to the smartTV in a rental house my folks have for the next 7 months, and he agrees, streaming sites blow. (Most have **** pop up’s). 
 

 

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So...just thinking ahead. Does Wentz accept less money to stay and compete for a starting job here against ( Draft Pick/TH/Howell) or Does RR cut bait and let him walk without negotiating...28mil is a non starter in 2023.

1 minute ago, HigSkin said:

The Oline has been porous for several games now and they finally went to extra TE's to chip block against Philly.  It's a head scratcher.  What took them so long?

Turner.

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah Turner called as good a game as you can reasonably hope for based on our QB and OL situation. 

OK..so what changed. Desperation level DEFCON 1. He ONLY does this when desperate. Maybe Ron should threaten him before each game from now on. Should have been calling these sweeps/outs with Sanders coming out of the backfield and Mclaurin all day long...LIKE THE !st GAME....

All I want for Xmas is for the WFT to stomp KC/Vikings Sunday. I will record the game and watch it over and over for years if that happens. A gift that would keep giving..

I wonder if our "D" has any special motivation to punish Kirk after he left them in an unexpected "lurch" (leading the "team"-Not FO) to believe he was staying. I seem to remember some players saying KC told them he was staying.

44 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Heinicke is an enigma.

 

It’s hard to even describe, because he generally plays an awful game of pro football but somehow, some way pulls miracles out of his ass.  
 

I’m not even sure how you put the way he plays into words.  You’re watching and thinking there’s just no good reason this guy should lead a game winning drive, but he’s done it on several occasions.

 

I said this in the gameday thread but I think it’s most appropriate here…

 

Heinicke = Heroin.

 

Intoxicating highs, that are incredibly detrimental to your future.

He plays without fear. He has nothing to lose..right? So he is OK giving his guys a chance on a toss up ball. Not worried about stats and percentages..if he fails..he's still the backup. He is having fun...and he's fun to watch. I turned the game off after that interception and tuned in again later to see how "bad" it got. I WON'T do that again with TH at QB.

11 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

But what would be nicer is if he were able to play that way for all 60 minutes instead of the last 3 so we could actually beat teams convincingly instead of these bull**** ass last minute rabbit out of a hat heroics.  

That's Turner...no aggression until desperation. He worked the sidelines at least..but he played it safe most of the game on 1st down...

Escapability and finding the open man on the run....Damn..he's fun to watch. The players have more fire too..you can feel it. Wentz need to watch and learn some. I wish TH had a better arm...some of throws took too long..the guy was OPEN but the Db's had time to recover due to no zip on the throw.

Other than that 1st game I don't see a difference between CW and TH stretching the field. I think TH's escapability and making plays out of the pocket helps tremendously. Seeing how Turner is calling plays that CW is weak at..short..mid..TH will be better. That's not saying TH is better than CW, just that Turner isn't or can't use CW's strengths (Oline issue or Turner's stubborn play calling)

You would think that defensive coaches like Ron and Jack can tell an empty suit from watching the tape and tell Turner he's not calling the game correctly. Has anyone asked Ron if he has input into the Offensive Game plan???

Have JDR turn his D on full blast in practice and see which QB responds. Easy enough to see. JDR played pattycake D in Training camp and you see what good that did. You play like you practice..that all changed with Gruden and now Ron (Players Coaches). We need Gibbs/Shanny coaching

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't see the need to hate on Del Rio anymore. The D has basically been turned around in terms of the scheme and communication. I think it may really have been as simple as benching WJ3. The problems with the D now are personnel, primarily we don't have a good MLB or #1 CB.

And telling Sweat to seal the edge dammit

All Turner had to do was watch Chicago's game plan...attack the edges. Turner was DETERMINED to run up the middle/between the tackles..right into the teeth of the defense. I don't think I saw 1 play action. Then he'd dial up passing plays where the Oline had SHOWN they couldn't protect. All the "Good" plays were edge plays and then he'd abandon it??? I remember Gibbs and Counter Trey...he'd run it until they stopped it.  I think he's just choosing plays with no "anticipation" as to the expected defensive counter.