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  1. 6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

    Trent might be heading to hard negotiating himself right back to where he doesn't want to be -- back as a Redskin.  If I am the Browns or Jets am out on Trent.  I just got a FA tackle and I can add more in a stacked draft -- why mess with an oft injury 32 year old tackle who hasn't played in a year asking for 20 million plus?  My interest would be lukewarm at best at this point.  Hopefully there are other suitors and there is something to the SD interest story but if I am SD and felt I was the only game in town I wouldn't bid that high unless they think it would help lure Brady. 




    RR's leverage just blew off the roof. I hope TW like the taste of crow. I still think we shouldn't extend him, and trade him early in the season when injuries happen.  TW 2019 antics have cost him big..he should fire his agent

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  2. Best value for TW will be early season when contending clubs LTs are injured. No rush to move him.  Stupid to let him go for anything worse than a mid round 2.

    If Trent needs the money, he will show and he will play to max his leverage. IF he PLAYS GOOD, then the Skins should let him negotiate a trade with the above limits as long as he shows up and plays. If he pulls the BS again, DNR him and he doesn't accrue a year. Do it again 2021..and so on.


    I'd be in no hurry to accommodate him without VERY Good compensation.

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  3. How much of this was Gruden's soft camps and no preseason play. I don't think our players were in football shape at ALL under Gruden and Co.

    Hopefully we got people looking at the off season conditioning of the players and the mini camps/training camps will have some practices WITH football moves and cuts at better than 50% speed.


    All these injuries were a redskins trend that can't be ignored. I'm hopeful

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  4. 1 hour ago, sempre_victrix said:


    We can cut him whenever we like, so not sure what that’d accomplish other than get absolutely nothing in return. 


    He’d probably be able to pass any conditioning test that the the rest of the O-line can pass. 


    Is the compensatory pick worth $12M of cap space this rear?

    Only until we trade his ass.

  5. 1 hour ago, sempre_victrix said:


    He’ll report. He’ll go through the motions and dare us to cut him and collect $12M.  It’ll hurt his ability to sign big elsewhere, but someone will always give a good LT a shot to prove himself and TW has not shown a lot of savvy on this to date. 


    A decent trade offer is our only hope

    Can you spell Haynesworth conditioning tests

  6. 1 hour ago, BleedBNG said:


    If this keeps up then I say cut him after June 1 and split his dead cap for 2 years. If we can't get a trade, we can at least save some cap room.

    I would consider putting him on the Did Not Report list, then let him hold out and wait into the season for injury to raise his value to other teams. Let him sit out just like last year only this time get the best value in season 2020. Draft and plan for him not to be here. Don't let him pull a KC. He won't count against the cap until he reports...right?


    Make a statement and sit his ass for another year if we can't get a good draft pick this draft.

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  7. 22 minutes ago, ggarriso said:

    This villianization of Gruden is unfair and preposterous.  The only facts known are that  


    --he was overruled by ownership and the organization made the pick against his wishes (almost undoubtedly)

    --his job was on the line and he needed to win 

    --he felt that colt and/or case gave him a better shot at winning - at the time


    What there is zero evidence of:


    --Gruden had some type of weird "personal" grudge against DH (even in light of DH's multiple public "gaffes") (aka Gruden did not like him personally)

    --Gruden "wanted" DH to fail or to "ruin" him

    --Gruden is bad with QBs and his "system" caused DH to fail 

    --Gruden is back channeling with media now to try to make DH look bad (this one is beyond idiotic, DH dug his own hole with his attitude and performance)


    Now my personal opinion is that Gruden was not the right guy for the job, as reflected by the results, but I do not buy into this evil Gruden is the cause of all DH issues narrative


    Gruden instilled NO discipline and garnered NO respect from the players (ie) Playing hard. That is why he failed and all that had an impact on Haskins.

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  8. Realistically, Trent's departure won't impact the 2020 team "that" much IMHO. Haskins survived with Penn and since the Skins are not sold on Haskins we can draft a QB AFTER Chase...develop him and play Haskns to see what he has playing with *some* adversity-see if he elevates the team. Try and get Penn back or draft a LT and put him in.


    Skins need to continue to purge malcontents and cry babies. KC and Williams were two of the worse...finish the job. Dunbar can be sent packing too.


    Get Chase and lean on the D for a year



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  9. 2 hours ago, mistertim said:

    I'd be somewhat surprised if Reed plays football again. He's had 7 concussions. 7. Concussions. And that's just the ones we know of. I'd hope he'd retire for his own health at this point. I'm not sure another team is going to take a chance on him, outside of a vet minimum deal on the crazy off chance that he actually stays healthy for a little while. I honestly can't think of a single player who's been as injury-prone as Reed. He's like the Bubble Boy of football; it's remarkable. And it sucks because when healthy he's one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL. 

    Can Reed be moved to WR and be productive against CB's vs getting beat to hell by LB's. He has the speed and size it "seems to me" to complement that group.

    Anybody give some reasons he wouldn't be VERY productive outside?? I know the $$ /cap hit will be a issue...but just the capability of Reed is what I'm interested in...

  10. Is it position or player that defines dominance. I think a player that excels in moving around the line and into coverage with athleticism is more important that positional excellence. Guys like LT, Reggie White to today's Ray Lewis, Von Miller, Bosa. You get solid performances from team players and have an ACE that moves and creates mismatches along the line and disrupts traditional blocking concepts. That s why I like Chase Young regardless of trade up offers. With the talent we have now and some coverage/safety additions The D should give the offense short field position and turnover positive count.


    A disrupter seems to be they key. I'm no expert by any means, just observing.


  11. 51 minutes ago, Tsailand said:


    Really?  Our team has made about five stupider moves at QB just in the last decade.

    We weren't a Superbowl Contender EVER in the last decade. Vikes WERE a serious contender 2017 that had a serviceable QB at low cost. They could gave brought in a GOOD vet as insurance and kept the band together and added in 2018. They went all in for 2018 when they kept the 2017 team pretty much intact and gambled on Cousins. It was a one shot deal given the CAP.


    Strategically, it was pretty stupid...



    52 minutes ago, Burgold said:

    Except our stupid QB moves came when we were a bottom feeder and were trying to get somewhere. There stupid move came when they reached the Championship game, one step away from the Superbowl, and caused their team to regress... or if I'm being kinder stall.

    Beat me to it..

  12. 1 minute ago, hatchetwound said:

    So my gut reaction was "Maybe they should pick up one of those positions in FA so they can simeltaneously build for the future.


    But then I went over to over the cap and discovered something:   Their win now window is over.  Now.


    They currently only have 42 players under contract for 2020.  To make matters worst, they are 5,443,264 OVER the cap.   That means, if they fill out their roster with vet min players, that would bring their effective cap to $10,033,264.


    Forget win now.... they are going to have to make some tough choices just to field a team.  

    Like I said CAP HELL. The Vikes screwed the pooch on KC. It will go down as one of the stupidest moves ever at that price.

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  13. 2 minutes ago, megared said:


    That's no consolation when we would've been essentially sitting on two first rounders this year because of how poorly we finished.  


    Not that we'd want to, but right now we couldn't get two seconds back for him.  Which means the team gambled on his potential to get their guy.  Whether he lives up to it or not, remains to be seen.  

    Sweat had the tools to be a #1 prospect and fell to us. Again, did we use him right or try to get him to drop into cover at the NFL level right off. Yes, he didn't contain sometimes but you can't ignore his 4.4 speed. Learn technique and no RB will beat him to the sideline. He reminds me of Manley...I'm OK with using that 2nd then vs now. Even with Position # difference. Sweat COULD be a Monster

  14. So, about Norman. Did the Skins NOT play him to his strengths? Seems he was playing off with a cushion vs at the line jamming receivers using his size like he did with the Panthers. Can he be rahab'd and brought back into form. I would guess he'd have to renegotiate *some* or could he be worth the risk. Did we try to fit him in a scheme that he was not suited for AGAIN???


    When he left the Panthers, it wasn't Rivera that rescinded the FT. Wonder if RR and Norman have talked...


    (ps) It was safety play where he got burnt on the TD's I remember. Communication problems..did he REALLY fall off the cliff or was it Manusky

  15. Does he have a no trade clause? I wonder...Vikes "could" trade him and some picks to move up and pick a QB in this quality QB draft. Vikes are in CAP hell. Talking 8-8 in the forums. Cousins could have a suitor (ex) Dallas with Dak asking 35Mil - Brady in NE what happens with him. I could see a trade and picks VS another 3 years of Kirk-ness value.


    That Green Bay game did the same thing The Giant Game did you us but reverse. Gave *some* hope/plausibility that Kirk can win big consistently. (fools gold..eject..eject..eject)

  16. 9 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:


    I'll just close by saying I don't think I made dumb arguments at all . RGIII's behavior was far worse yet he does not get nearly the hate.  Your claim that all he did was play hard and get hurt is simply not true.   He went crying to the owner, demanded plays be removed from the playbook, failed to work hard to learn the position and threw teammates under the bus by never taking the blame for his shortcomings.  The arguments I heard against Kirk included his reaction to a story about driving his mom's van (seriously? What does that even mean?), he was "greedy" when every professional athlete is greedy (as they should be), he was not loyal when there is no loyalty in professional football, and that he thought he was worth more than he was which is simply not true, the Vikes and Jets' offers proved Kirk was spot on with regard to his market value. 


    Those 2 lists of behavior are not even close yet I''m the one accused of making dumb arguments, I'll never understand that.  



    Boy..I sure got under your skin..😋


    AND to close too... RG3 paid dearly for his transgressions...Out of football...failed at Browns..out of football..backup in Ravens..EARNING diddly squat. I was VERY hard on RG3. *I* think he paid the price.


    KC is still sucking millions at a CAP and producing NOTHING. Again, Keenam has a better Playoff record.


    I just don't like grifters. So..lets take it to ATN as Cousins is NOT a Redskin. TG

  17. 3 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

    Wait til Haskins gets traded and he thrives.

    RR has a right to pick his QB especially with the Qb's in this year's draft. Haskins may be another "mistake" in the scheme of things but I haven't felt THIS positive about the skins in a long time. I like Del Rio and RR as much as I liked the Shanny/Gibbs 2 hires.


    I am looking forward to the draft and what plays out

  18. 2 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

    So checking down and not throwing the ball downfield during a playoff game is your definition of a diva.


    Interesting perspective.  

    Not executing the coach's plan repeatedly on his own initiative, complaining about being chosen in the 4th by the Skins, eating up the publicity about driving his grandmas Van when making millions of dollars...YOU LIKE THAT in a game that shouldn't have gotten to that point...


    yea...I call that a diva. But you are right RG3 was a Diva's Diva. No argument there

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  19. Just now, Darrell Green Fan said:


    You are actually comparing Kirk checking down during the game with Robert Griffin marching into Shanny's office and demanding plays be taken from the playbook?  Really?  You comparing "you like that?" with the diva attitude Griffin showed to his team and teammates?  Again Really?  





    You said KC wasn't a Diva Not who was the bigger Diva. Really? Very binary/one dimensional argument. Both can be true...right?

  20. 21 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:



    This is definitely true. But this hate is over the top. Kirk never demanded plays be taken from the playbook, never acted like a diva.  He was not a failure that the team wasted a first round pick on like Shuler or Campbell.  He was the most productive QB the team has had in generations (I don't count Ryp as he was a one year wonder) yet he gets way more hate than those guys or any QB I can remember here for not being "loyal" and that's just so strange to me.  

    Gruden said on numerous occasions KC refused to go down field and open up the passing game (Zimmer said the same thing about downfield passes in his pressser)


    " the plays where Cousins declined to take open shots downfield in "

    I think we had some called," said Viking coach Mike Zimmer when ...




    We wasted 2 years *hoping* to get him to negotiate and resign him. It takes 2 to tango. Bruce and KC . Go look at the "hate" in the Bruce thread. You tell me there was negotiation in good faith there...was there ???

    He never acted like a diva...You Like THAT?? Fricking chip on his shoulder for being drafted in the 4th by Skins (which means no team wanted him prior to the 4th)


    These Kirk apologists are so strange to me. You keep opening up these threads on KC bemoaning his exit and I'll keep voicing my opinion as to why the Skins are MUCH better off without him and his CAP impact. Shut this thread down so I won't have to say anymore "over the top" facts about KC. Go look at the Vikings forum and see that they are saying exactly what we've been saying for years.

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  21. 58 minutes ago, JoeJacobyHOForRIOT said:

    No amount of Cousins bashing is going to change the fact Kirk is still a much better QB than anyone on our current roster and thats really what this thread is about.

    Not if you look at it in totality. Is he worth 30mil 16% cap space and elevate the performance of the team to compensate for reduced talent because of his salary. He is also a heart attack waiting to happen for fans...No fun watching him play. The only good thing he did as a Redskins QB was get the FO and Gruden Fired IMHO

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