The Hangman- C_Hanburger

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  1. 1 minute ago, RWJ said:

    So let's think about this.  The entire league know how good TW is.  They are HOPING the Skins get frustrated and give in to TWs agents demands.  Ain't happening.  Once the draft gets here and a team in need of a Left OT isn't able to draft one TWs value goes up.  I don't expect a 1st or 2nd rounder for him but I think we do get at the very least a 3rd and possibly another draft pick as well. 

    Just like last year when contenders were rebuffed by Allen..TW's value was strongest when teams were still in contention for a playoff spot. This year there are MORE playoff spots to be had so the "contender" market will be LARGER in 2020. The FO would be foolish to take a 3rd NOW vs waiting into the season. Yea..the pick for 2020 is NOW and waiting is less valuable so a 2nd 2021 = 3rd 2020....and If you have a QB like Brady (or even Cousins) in jeopardy of being crushed..they will up the anti.


    ESPECIALLY Cousins who is expected to deliver or Zimmer is gone..I could see Zimmer go for broke to save his job.


    LOTS of positive things in 2020 that will push up the price for TW IMHO...


    Just wait...we have the tag next year also.

  2. 9 minutes ago, NYSkins21 said:

    The more this drags on, the more I believe Trent will be our starting LT this year. We're not going to give him away for below value. And that value includes protecting our young franchise QB. I dont think Trent is going anywhere.

    Nope..not until trade deadline when contenders will come calling. Just hang in rush cause a bad deal is not a winner.

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  3. 30 minutes ago, Burgold said:

    I think if he's Riverboat Ron he drafts Young. If he's slow and steady Ron, he trades down.

    i think Ron will/should take Young if for no other reason than to keep the Giants from getting him. Yea, Detroit is right after us but that is no barrier if Detroit has another NEED it can fill and get other picks from the Giants. You DON'T want Young going after Haskins 2X every season

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  4. 22 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

    I keep going back to how badly the Packers  defense whipped the Vikings in Minnesota on MNF late last season in a must win game for the Vikings. It was a clinic on pass rushing. Until Minnesota adds to their offensive line they won't move on in the NFC....gotta believe Kirt Cousins is pushing hard for them to get Trent. 

    Way back early last year I floated the Vikes as THE PRIME target for TW IF..IF..KC would restructure his contract. Well KC did get a more cap friendly contract extension so TW *should* be in play. HOWEVER, me being a staunch ANTI KC I say no way in hell just outa spite. I hope Dan feels the same way. Screw tweedle Dee and Tweedle DUMB. They feed off one another.

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  5. Trent will be more valuable "In Season" than now/pre/post draft. He can play his way into a trade GOOD for US. There is no hurry. Probably a 2021 pick is all being offered anyway in the 1 or 2 position. In fact, I HOPE the FO puts this off until the trade deadline..getting productivity from TW helping Haskens grow and maximizes his trade value with other teams injuries. That does have a risk if TW gets hurt but if he feigns will cost him millions in future contract- don't think he's THAT stupid...


    Let him play..including preseason games to show case him...

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  6. 2 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

    What does it say about a player who has permission to find a trade and can't find one? Get a new agent perhaps? 

    I think what Trent did in 2019 has labeled him a coach killer and malcontent with NO integrity. He'll fain injury, leak and hold out services for his perceived grievances. I posted last year when this all started that his "approach" would come back to bite him. Just look at A. Brown. Trent put HIMSELF into that category.


    Karma is a **** ain't it.

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  7. 6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

    Trent might be heading to hard negotiating himself right back to where he doesn't want to be -- back as a Redskin.  If I am the Browns or Jets am out on Trent.  I just got a FA tackle and I can add more in a stacked draft -- why mess with an oft injury 32 year old tackle who hasn't played in a year asking for 20 million plus?  My interest would be lukewarm at best at this point.  Hopefully there are other suitors and there is something to the SD interest story but if I am SD and felt I was the only game in town I wouldn't bid that high unless they think it would help lure Brady. 




    RR's leverage just blew off the roof. I hope TW like the taste of crow. I still think we shouldn't extend him, and trade him early in the season when injuries happen.  TW 2019 antics have cost him big..he should fire his agent

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  8. Best value for TW will be early season when contending clubs LTs are injured. No rush to move him.  Stupid to let him go for anything worse than a mid round 2.

    If Trent needs the money, he will show and he will play to max his leverage. IF he PLAYS GOOD, then the Skins should let him negotiate a trade with the above limits as long as he shows up and plays. If he pulls the BS again, DNR him and he doesn't accrue a year. Do it again 2021..and so on.


    I'd be in no hurry to accommodate him without VERY Good compensation.

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  9. How much of this was Gruden's soft camps and no preseason play. I don't think our players were in football shape at ALL under Gruden and Co.

    Hopefully we got people looking at the off season conditioning of the players and the mini camps/training camps will have some practices WITH football moves and cuts at better than 50% speed.


    All these injuries were a redskins trend that can't be ignored. I'm hopeful

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  10. 1 hour ago, sempre_victrix said:


    We can cut him whenever we like, so not sure what that’d accomplish other than get absolutely nothing in return. 


    He’d probably be able to pass any conditioning test that the the rest of the O-line can pass. 


    Is the compensatory pick worth $12M of cap space this rear?

    Only until we trade his ass.

  11. 1 hour ago, sempre_victrix said:


    He’ll report. He’ll go through the motions and dare us to cut him and collect $12M.  It’ll hurt his ability to sign big elsewhere, but someone will always give a good LT a shot to prove himself and TW has not shown a lot of savvy on this to date. 


    A decent trade offer is our only hope

    Can you spell Haynesworth conditioning tests

  12. 1 hour ago, BleedBNG said:


    If this keeps up then I say cut him after June 1 and split his dead cap for 2 years. If we can't get a trade, we can at least save some cap room.

    I would consider putting him on the Did Not Report list, then let him hold out and wait into the season for injury to raise his value to other teams. Let him sit out just like last year only this time get the best value in season 2020. Draft and plan for him not to be here. Don't let him pull a KC. He won't count against the cap until he reports...right?


    Make a statement and sit his ass for another year if we can't get a good draft pick this draft.

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  13. 22 minutes ago, ggarriso said:

    This villianization of Gruden is unfair and preposterous.  The only facts known are that  


    --he was overruled by ownership and the organization made the pick against his wishes (almost undoubtedly)

    --his job was on the line and he needed to win 

    --he felt that colt and/or case gave him a better shot at winning - at the time


    What there is zero evidence of:


    --Gruden had some type of weird "personal" grudge against DH (even in light of DH's multiple public "gaffes") (aka Gruden did not like him personally)

    --Gruden "wanted" DH to fail or to "ruin" him

    --Gruden is bad with QBs and his "system" caused DH to fail 

    --Gruden is back channeling with media now to try to make DH look bad (this one is beyond idiotic, DH dug his own hole with his attitude and performance)


    Now my personal opinion is that Gruden was not the right guy for the job, as reflected by the results, but I do not buy into this evil Gruden is the cause of all DH issues narrative


    Gruden instilled NO discipline and garnered NO respect from the players (ie) Playing hard. That is why he failed and all that had an impact on Haskins.

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  14. Realistically, Trent's departure won't impact the 2020 team "that" much IMHO. Haskins survived with Penn and since the Skins are not sold on Haskins we can draft a QB AFTER Chase...develop him and play Haskns to see what he has playing with *some* adversity-see if he elevates the team. Try and get Penn back or draft a LT and put him in.


    Skins need to continue to purge malcontents and cry babies. KC and Williams were two of the worse...finish the job. Dunbar can be sent packing too.


    Get Chase and lean on the D for a year



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  15. 2 hours ago, mistertim said:

    I'd be somewhat surprised if Reed plays football again. He's had 7 concussions. 7. Concussions. And that's just the ones we know of. I'd hope he'd retire for his own health at this point. I'm not sure another team is going to take a chance on him, outside of a vet minimum deal on the crazy off chance that he actually stays healthy for a little while. I honestly can't think of a single player who's been as injury-prone as Reed. He's like the Bubble Boy of football; it's remarkable. And it sucks because when healthy he's one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL. 

    Can Reed be moved to WR and be productive against CB's vs getting beat to hell by LB's. He has the speed and size it "seems to me" to complement that group.

    Anybody give some reasons he wouldn't be VERY productive outside?? I know the $$ /cap hit will be a issue...but just the capability of Reed is what I'm interested in...

  16. Is it position or player that defines dominance. I think a player that excels in moving around the line and into coverage with athleticism is more important that positional excellence. Guys like LT, Reggie White to today's Ray Lewis, Von Miller, Bosa. You get solid performances from team players and have an ACE that moves and creates mismatches along the line and disrupts traditional blocking concepts. That s why I like Chase Young regardless of trade up offers. With the talent we have now and some coverage/safety additions The D should give the offense short field position and turnover positive count.


    A disrupter seems to be they key. I'm no expert by any means, just observing.


  17. 51 minutes ago, Tsailand said:


    Really?  Our team has made about five stupider moves at QB just in the last decade.

    We weren't a Superbowl Contender EVER in the last decade. Vikes WERE a serious contender 2017 that had a serviceable QB at low cost. They could gave brought in a GOOD vet as insurance and kept the band together and added in 2018. They went all in for 2018 when they kept the 2017 team pretty much intact and gambled on Cousins. It was a one shot deal given the CAP.


    Strategically, it was pretty stupid...



    52 minutes ago, Burgold said:

    Except our stupid QB moves came when we were a bottom feeder and were trying to get somewhere. There stupid move came when they reached the Championship game, one step away from the Superbowl, and caused their team to regress... or if I'm being kinder stall.

    Beat me to it..

  18. 1 minute ago, hatchetwound said:

    So my gut reaction was "Maybe they should pick up one of those positions in FA so they can simeltaneously build for the future.


    But then I went over to over the cap and discovered something:   Their win now window is over.  Now.


    They currently only have 42 players under contract for 2020.  To make matters worst, they are 5,443,264 OVER the cap.   That means, if they fill out their roster with vet min players, that would bring their effective cap to $10,033,264.


    Forget win now.... they are going to have to make some tough choices just to field a team.  

    Like I said CAP HELL. The Vikes screwed the pooch on KC. It will go down as one of the stupidest moves ever at that price.

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  19. 2 minutes ago, megared said:


    That's no consolation when we would've been essentially sitting on two first rounders this year because of how poorly we finished.  


    Not that we'd want to, but right now we couldn't get two seconds back for him.  Which means the team gambled on his potential to get their guy.  Whether he lives up to it or not, remains to be seen.  

    Sweat had the tools to be a #1 prospect and fell to us. Again, did we use him right or try to get him to drop into cover at the NFL level right off. Yes, he didn't contain sometimes but you can't ignore his 4.4 speed. Learn technique and no RB will beat him to the sideline. He reminds me of Manley...I'm OK with using that 2nd then vs now. Even with Position # difference. Sweat COULD be a Monster

  20. So, about Norman. Did the Skins NOT play him to his strengths? Seems he was playing off with a cushion vs at the line jamming receivers using his size like he did with the Panthers. Can he be rahab'd and brought back into form. I would guess he'd have to renegotiate *some* or could he be worth the risk. Did we try to fit him in a scheme that he was not suited for AGAIN???


    When he left the Panthers, it wasn't Rivera that rescinded the FT. Wonder if RR and Norman have talked...


    (ps) It was safety play where he got burnt on the TD's I remember. Communication problems..did he REALLY fall off the cliff or was it Manusky

  21. Does he have a no trade clause? I wonder...Vikes "could" trade him and some picks to move up and pick a QB in this quality QB draft. Vikes are in CAP hell. Talking 8-8 in the forums. Cousins could have a suitor (ex) Dallas with Dak asking 35Mil - Brady in NE what happens with him. I could see a trade and picks VS another 3 years of Kirk-ness value.


    That Green Bay game did the same thing The Giant Game did you us but reverse. Gave *some* hope/plausibility that Kirk can win big consistently. (fools gold..eject..eject..eject)