The Hangman- C_Hanburger

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  1. 18 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

    I doubt there will be any big updates on this story until training camp.

     

    Trent showed his hands, Bruce knows the truth. OK.

     

    Our FO will wait until Training Camp starts to see if Trent's is bluffing or not.

     

    If he doesn't show up, then things might get ugly and they will have to sort this out quickly, probably by trading him. Problem is, our FO is not that good in making good trades happen. We're often on the loser's side of it...

    The Skins don't have to do anything now...even at training camp. There will be *some* talent available after cuts happen. We *might* pickup someone serviceable..might not, but a trade will will most likely happen after teams have assessed their rosters talent at LT and maybe look to cut to cap space.

     

    Either way..we get NOTHING to make a quick decision unless a GOOD trade offer happens..


  2. 24 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

    In the end, he asked for a raise. Either he is worth it and gets the raise, or he is not and he doesn't. When the decision is made everyone moves on. 

     

     

    IF that is all that was done..why claim the medical issue. Why did this get into the Media...I already posted they should do some compensation adjustment for Trent. I'd like to know who (whose camp) put the medical stuff out there if this was only about Money. Who created the flap....or was it the media making chit up. That is not a fair negotiation IMHO


  3. 1 hour ago, bakedtater1 said:

    But really, how many millions does one need for God's sake.... playing professional ball is decided at a young age...NFL should be a play at your own risk thing they should somehow take half of all money made buy players and pay teachers more I know this might be a head-scratcher sorry..

    I just keep thinking of the News the other day of the 911 1st Responders on the Hill asking for *some* help in covering their medical bills. Guys on a City Salary who ran into collapsing buildings KNOWING of all the chemicals and asbestos in  the air that cause cancer. The construction people knee deep in that toxic crap...and then I read this *stuff* about how much risk these players take and NEED to be compensated for that RISK... Just Sayin

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  4. 54 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

    Throw medical staff concerns into the wind for a minute...

     

     

    But you can't. I think EVERYONE would agree..lets do *something* extra for Trent regarding money. *I* think had he approached it that way...nobody would be complaining. Also, IF there is Medical Staff incompetency, then name names and situations involved and again people can assess the validity. BUT it APPEARS the two have been convoluted with NO RESOLUTION unless Trent gets a release from his contract for the next 2 years and that is an unplanned critical shortage for the Skins. THAT is not fair to the Skins who have compensated Trent VERY HIGH during his tenure.

     

    So unless Trent gives specifics..I am siding with the Skins as being the aggrieved party here. We all have seen accusations that have been a fabrication. Why do *some* people reflexively blame Bruce. HE is NOT the Doctor and HE has to assess the impact to the team before granting ANY contract relief. It's frigging June guys..there is all kinds of time to resolve this. Bruce has kept his conversations with Trent Confidential...Trent has NOT

     

    I just don't like the lopsidedness of this whole thing.

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  5. There is something to be said about trust too. I am willing to wait until training camp (while looking for talent via trade at the right price for the Skins). If left with a choice of a bad trade deal for letting Trent sit. Let him sit. The Skins HAVE to STOP this type of extortion. We got screwed by KC and set a perception that the Skins can be had. Trust is shot as far as I can see.

     

    Lets see some Pittsburgh Steeler back bone here. If they can do it with Bell and Brown..2 legit superstars back to back....we need to grow a pair.

     

    Time for this franchise to make a statement IMHO

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  6. 16 hours ago, Veryoldschool said:

     

    Even if your off the wall without foundation was true the Vikings don't have the cap space for William's contract.

    Obvious you didn't read my statement I see. I SAID KC would have to provide space 3Mil to cover the cost..12+3=15 which would make Trent happy. Without KC willingness to cut a deal and restructure (for his OWN financial benefit in 2020 in negotiating a new contract) THEN you would be right. BUT the WAY I premised the scenario would work.

     

    We won't know anything until Trent makes a move. If Trent wants/demands a TRADE, what is so off the wall that he'd maneuver to go to a contender with his good friend AND get paid? Vikings need a LT..you don't deny that do you?

     


  7. 53 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

     

    ...what? No, the dumb part is what you posted about this possibly being a secret plan between Cousins and Trent to get him there. It reads like it was written in a haze so I understand if you don't remember, but it was ****ing moronic. 

    Top 2 words

    WHAT IF

     

    Last 3 words

    Think About it

     

    If you don't think a player will lobby another player then YOU are naive. Trent and KC are/were tight.

     

    Get a grip


  8. 25 minutes ago, mistertim said:

     

    They also currently have about $1 million in cap space so they'd probably have to jettison some people to sign Trent, depending on how much he wants. I still don't see them giving up a 1st for him. The Vikings don't have a great OL situation right now but it's not bottom of the barrel bad like some other teams. They could definitely use a better LT but I'm not sure the'd be willing to pony up a 1st for one...especially one who's constantly injured, is over 30, and is likely on the downside of his career. Trent isn't going to help them "win now" if he can't stay on the field, and history shows that he can't stay on the field.

     

    I still think the best we get is a 2nd and a player. 

    Agreed.  But their starting LT is 12 Mil now so they ONLY have to come up with what..2-3mil+ That is where I theorized that KC would do something with his cap # to allow that so that HE will benefit from his better performance with Trent watching his blind side so NEXT YEAR he can recoup those $$ negotiating an extension in his last contract year. If KC sucks this year because of a bad OL, he could loose ALLOT of future $$ negotiation his next contract

     

    That's why I said this could be a Win-Win-Win (Skins/Zimmer/KC)

     

    It's no slam dunk but it is a Business Case to be argued I think.

     

    I'm not arguing that a #2 is the going rate...I'm arguing that desperation can bump that up some so don't go in at a low #


  9. 19 minutes ago, redskinss said:

    Am I reading this correctly?

     

    You think that it's not too outrageous to expect the Vikings to compensate us for a free agent they signed last year?

     

    So by that logic if we try to pull off a trade with the giants next year we should have to toss in a little extra because of Landon Collins?

     

    No, it is pretty outrageous to even think that and that's not even considering the third round comp pick we got for cousins. 

     

    No way in hell we get their starting left tackle plus first and second rounders for an aging left tackle with a plethora of nagging injuries, but Kevin Costner would be very proud of us if we pulled it off.

    They are talking about cutting the 2nd year player who is their "starter".  Our asking price is our asking price. How we arrived at it does not concern the Vikings. IF we have the leverage, use it and get what we can


  10. 9 minutes ago, mistertim said:

     

    Their LT, a #1 AND a #2 in 2020? That's absurd.

     

    To be honest, I doubt we'd even get a 1st for Trent. We're talking about a 31 year old (when the season starts) Tackle who has been consistently injured and hasn't played a full season since 2013. When he's completely healthy he's still one of the best LTs in the game, but it's incredibly rare that he's fully healthy. Even when he's playing he's usually dealing with one or two nagging injuries that slow him down. Maybe if Houston gets panicky enough about their OL situation they'll offer up a 1st, but I still have doubts.

     

    My guess is we'd get a 2nd and a player.

    Starting negotiation price. Selling points is KC knows and trusts Trent. They have ALLOT invested in KC and we got nada for him so looking for some comp+ isn't too outrageous. Zimmer is in  a WIN now so he *may* be desperate to save KC and his job. They got NADA an LT now. Their LT is 12 mil this season, Trent wants 14mil....not a big makeup/risk for big upside.

     

    If you believe Zimmer's job is on the line and KC enters next year negotiating for an extension..Both could free up cap space in 2019. We'd have the leverage I would think.

     

    The best deal is likely to come from the Vikings if we HAVE to part with Trent. Asking vs getting. I just don't know if the Skins would do it with the Vikings at any price...

     

    It's all speculation without knowing the "truth". This *could* be a win-win for us and Trent and KC

     


  11. 1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

     

    Stop. Not only is this next-level stupidity on its own, but taken as a body of work your Cousins fixation in every unrelated thread should lead to a warning imo. But I'm not in the business of telling our lovely mods how to do their jobs so I'll stick with being content to call these posts dumb every time they pop up. 

    So you wouldn't call the vikings and offer Trent for their LT and a #1 and #2 in 2020...Also, why waste your time??

     

    https://riggosrag.com/2019/06/06/redskins-3-teams-that-could-trade-for-trent-williams-after-reported-trade-demand/2/

     

    Dumb huh...I just checked and it's all over the place as a possibility


  12. 9 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

    I think most folks are working under the guys of “if”.  Few are responding as if they know it’s this or that.  

     

    There is a whole lot we dont know. I just struggle to understand how folks can turn on Trent Williams at the drop of a dime.  The guy used as an example of “wanting to be here”, “core Redskin”, “our leader”, etc. is now a piece of greedy ****.  If he truly wants out of here, it’s a problem, that I sincerely doubt is more about him than it is the suits and how they run things.

     

     

    Trent should come out and address this then. I hope it's media BS but the longer he stays silent the more speculation will occur and sour the team/fans. That could be the plan though..make playing here a non starter...who knows. Something is going on that is not good


  13. WHAT IF:

    Kirk: "Hey Trent...I'm getting my head handed to me here! I Need you real bad"

    Trent: " I have 2 years left on my Contract"

    Kirk "No Problem, The FO is a bunch of pansies and they will fold if you hit them with a complaint about being mistreated and disrespected. Demand a Trade and they will fold for pennies"

    Trent Fine but you guys can't afford me

    Kirk. I I don't perform here, I'll be toast. I'll redo my contract and cover the extra couple Mil

     

    https://www.vikings.com/news/2018-vikings-position-recap-offensive-line

     

    https://thevikingage.com/2019/05/26/minnesota-vikings-reiff-surprise-cut-2019/

     

    Think about it....

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  14. 44 minutes ago, teamcal00 said:

    This is not going to end well. I don't see any way back from this, I think he'll be traded. The timing of Trent's decision shows a bogus underlying motive. This is simply a tactic to get more money, plain and simple. I cannot imagine a scenario where we would let go of Ty and not be more aggressive through either the draft or free agency in addressing the left tackle position if we knew this was his stance prior to. He knows he has Us by the balls and is extorting the organization for more money. If he gets traded, he's going to get paid more regardless , so either way he wins and gets paid more money.

    And WE win with Draft Picks commensurate with his career OR he sits out and loses 13-14mil AT LEAST. Put him on did not report to camp and use his 13mil cap


  15. 46 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

    If he wants to be traded or released do to the way the team handled his medical care, i’ve got to agree with him.  This team has a record of being terrible with preventive care and medical training.  Or at least it seems that way. 

    These guys make MILLIONS. They can afford to get 2nd opinions and/or HIRE their own doctor. It is THEIR Body..they should act accordingly. If I got an opinion that effected my health significantly..I world corroborate it. We've all done it. I'm callin BS. Just looking for a foil for leverage IMHO


  16. 1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

     

    What the **** are you talking about here

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-kirk-cousins-wont-sign-a-long-term-deal-as-long-as-bruce-allen-is-with-redskins/

     

    Substitute Bruce for the (fill in the blank). Find a foil and leverage it to get your desired results

     

    PPS. Where is the complaint to the Union Rep. Seems like this is a CBA issue


  17. 1 hour ago, kingdaddy said:

    He is well paid but I can see him asking for more money based on where he's ranked in pay across the league for offensive linemen. However, his play has slipped and he is over 30 years old, we're not gonna have him forever and his injuries are adding up. I'd be curious to see what his value is across the league. Hopefully this all gets resolved and he has a great season for us.

    I agree 100% . I LIKE Trent. I would have preferred he came out himself with this complaint AFTER registering it with the FO . Now that it is all over the place, he SHOULD make a statement. IF not...then I'll just assume his agent is following Cousins roadmap of making up a transgression claim so as to leverage a release or trade where the Skins get little to no compensation.  If this is Coisins 2.0, the FO should send a message..if you don't show..you won't play- ANYWHERE for the term of your contract. I *hope* Bruce doesn't falter and get a BS Draft Choice in a trade. Get GOOD Compensation..TRADE if Trent wants out

     

     

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  18. 5 minutes ago, DJD2 said:

    Florio floating the idea that it may be about more than money.

     

    The real question is whether he thinks the team did enough to ensure that it was taken care of, and whether that’s contributing to his current decision to stay away from the team.

    Whose job would it be to communicate with Trent about how he's being taken care of? Seriously, The Coach (s), Allen, Snyder, Someone in HR or Medical Staff...Seems there would be a specific person in medical to be in contact 24/7 with Players in treatment??? Did Trent want Snyder to send flowers???? Did Snyder send flowers???


  19. Stay the course and compensate for 2 years a "reasonable" offer like I said before. If things go south..trade for a #1 WR and get some "Average/GOOD" Blocking  FA TE's  or convert talent to a TE and RUN the "F" out of the ball. Quick outs and play smash mouth ball control and let the D give you short fields.

     

    You telling me Trent can block better than a Good LT and TE together....with our RB's we should be able to play short field ball with a 2 TE set. Turn the D loose. What the hell..that would be watchable football.

     

    Pay Trent a little more recognizing his past contributions..but don't pay a ransom. We don't NEED a aging  Pro Bowl LT that may/may not stay healthy at a cap crippling cost. Bruce will pay hardball *I* think...We don't need a "Cousins II"