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3 minutes ago, KDawg said:

All is well in the world (for the Draft)

I cannot believe you seriously thought he might not declare lol 

7 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

Which is kinda sad...

Or maybe you should adjust your priors on PFF? 

40 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said:

Somebody actually paid for the top list PFF premium? 

The entire NFL uses PFF as part of player evaluation 

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

And yet the Steelers won 10 games with terrible QB play, and the Browns are in the playoffs on their 4th QB. And the last QB he coached in Jax, Minchew, ALMOST made the playoffs.  

 

Jay had Kirk for 3 years and won 9, 8 and 7 games in that period.  
 

He’s not entirely wrong that you need a good QB. 
 

But good coaching is good coaching.  And he’s making an excuse for his firing. 

There’s no living in him not declaring and being the #1 overall draft pick and starting the clock to a potential $50m+ a year contract.  If he’s good, that is.  

I don’t necessarily disagree with your point about coaching but I’ll argue that none of the 3 teams you mentioned are consistently in the playoffs. The goal isn’t a one off appearance. Even Jay managed that. To be a consistent winner, you gotta have to have that position locked down. 
 

Browns have been looking forever. Luckily they have Flacco on a heater right now. 
 

Steelers are a good example for coaching’s importance. They’ve been over .500 the last few years solely bc of Tomlin imo. But they haven’t been a real threat since Ben retired. 
 

And the Colts have been a disaster since Andrew Luck decided to value health over football. 

28 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Your point about the Steelers and other teams is spot on. The Steelers had the perfect schedule and the best defensive player in the league going for them. Also, since you brought it up, isn't it interesting that all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Mason Rudolph is starting their playoff game over Kenny Pickett? Most QB's take more than 3 years to learn the league and experience success, it's why I'm not ready to give up on Sam Howell. Yes, you need a good QB to go far and they can be found in many ways. Believe this, many Eagles fans are really, really down on Jalen Hurts right now because he's being exposed as a QB who can' t handle the blitz. Is this accurate? Maybe....but his offensive coordinator is doing him no favors with the worst pre-snap motion offense in the entire NFL. 

Purdy is doing great because of his system first, his teammates and his ability to take coaching and learn the offense. If a new coach comes in and says he likes Howell and thinks he can be a quick learner in his system and excel then roll with him. This year be damned. There is so much we don't know so we shouldn't judge. 

Stroud isn't a sure bet yet even though he looks the part, but you're not wrong in your point. However, I think the Panthers would like to have their #1 overall pick back or the haul they paid to get him....this is the coin flip Troy Aikman was talking about when picking a QB in round one. 50/50.

But that’s why this opportunity is so great. Unlike RG3 or Bryce Young, there’s no king ransom to pay. It’s a potential franchise QB falling right in your lap with minimal risk long term. I would totally get the hesitation on trading up. But this situation is almost perfect. 
 

Also, Kenny Pickett is hurt. 
 

And I really think our fans underrate how bad Sam was last year. He’s not getting another opportunity outside of injury. His numbers were atrocious and the last 6 or so games pretty much wrecked any good he put on tape prior to that. It’s literally just not going to happen. He was that bad. 
 

There was no consideration of the Texans rolling with Davis Mills (who had put up comparable if not better stats than Sam to that point) instead of drafting Shroud last year. 
 

There was no consideration of rolling with Minshew (who was legitimately good and won games) instead of drafting Lawrence in Jacksonville circa 2021. 
 

This is not a thing, guys. Especially when the folks in charge have zero ties to Sam. I don’t even get why it’s a topic but I guess that’s the “extreme” part 

1 minute ago, dunfer said:

If the entire team is a ****show? mabye....but not because they havent found a franchise qb. I dont think harris and co will react that way

 

Ron Rivera basically admitted that was why he was fired. 

Jay Gruden just tweeted this. It’s known across the league. That’s why the QBs go so high in drafts. 

1 minute ago, dunfer said:

doubt anyone is getting fired in 3 years over missing on a qb.

…..are you serious ? Arthur Smith just got fired for that exact reason. His owner fed that exact reasoning to Ian Rappaport to be read on NFL Network

51 minutes ago, KDawg said:

If Williams doesn’t come out I think there is potential that they pass on one. 
 

If Williams is in the draft: 0% chance they pass on QB

 

If he’s not? 30% chance they pass.

It just doesn’t compute in my brain. Every time a coach or GM is fired now, the root cause is tied back to the lack of a QB. I don’t see how anyone could think they’d wait on that especially since that is is what just doomed Ron. 
 

If for whatever random reason Williams stays then WSH is taking Daniels. There’s no debate to me. That’s the NFL. 

44 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

I think a lot of us post based on what we would do or what we think is the best approach and we defend our reasons/postions. I get taking a QB with the #2 pick but understand, I'm skeptical based on how RGlll, Chase Young and how other QB's have flopped for other franchises over the years. I want as many assets and stud players as we can accumulate over the risk of the miss at QB, as that's whats happened to so many other franchises in our position. 

There are two ways to look at the #2 overall pick; you'll never be this high to get your franchise QB again or you'll never get a chance to get this big of a haul for picks again. What's the better bet? For me, history shows that the team who trades back almost always wins the trade. I guess I'm playing the odds over the gamble of hoping the QB picked at #2 plays out favorably. 

If they don’t hit on a QB within the first 3 seasons, they’ll all be fired. They are not gonna wait to do so. 
 

I guess understand fan angst but RG3 and Chase Young will be the last thing on their minds. That has nothing to do with Adam Peters. 
 

I mean the Texans drafting David Carr 1 overall didn’t stop them from taking Shroud last year 

….There’s no way they’re passing on QB, guys. There’s no need to even bring it up. This is a universally praised QB class. It’s not 2022. 

I recently renewed my PFF subscription because they’re really good with their draft content. I did not realize that Sam graded out to be the 50th ranked passer in 2023. Even including backups. 57.6 passing grade.  That combined with his QBR and EPA numbers being extremely low has me thinking a smart, analytical GM like I assume Peters is might be totally out on Sam. I mean I didn’t realize his numbers had gotten that bad. He was legit one of the worst QBs in the league last year. At this point, there’s zero chance they run it back with him so that debate is dead. Now I wonder if he’s even the backup next year. Legitimately. What would be the selling point? He’s young? So will the new guy. Wouldn’t be surprised if they bring another vet in.

It guarantees nothing but it really feels good to see a sound process in place. To see this franchise attack success and land the top young talent. We haven’t had that in a while. And even crazier…they want to come here. Adam Peters is widely considered a top football executive who has worked in multiple great organizations and he wanted to come here. Sure seems like Ben Johnson has a decent shot at coming here. Again, I’m always going to temper Washington Football Team expectations but this feels pretty damn cool. 

22 minutes ago, wit33 said:

 

 

He's an exceptional runner and should have been utilized more – a budget version of Josh Allen. It's criminal that this aspect wasn't highlighted by EB. At the very least, it could have been employed in critical situations like red zone plays and third downs.

“Exceptional runner”? 
 

You guys are really generous with your words lol. Guys, no NFL offense is going to have more than a few designed runs for Sam Howell. He is not that kind of a player. He has functional athleticism much like Trevor Lawrence. 

1 hour ago, RandyHolt said:

Designed runs that never happened - no one even threw a dart and predicted EB would try to feature our TEs so we were all left to guess - copy KCs playbook.  What were your predictions?

 

I did watch NCState game tape and he ran a lot. He had over 800 yards his senior year. 

Manziel ran for like 1400 yards or something nuts one year in college. Sam isn’t Manning level slow or anything but he’s not nearly a dynamic enough runner for any of that. I was hoping for more designed runs around the goal line tho for sure. But that was not translating to the NFL. 700 yards would have had him in MVP discussions. Mind you that he elected to skip the 40 at the combine. 

5 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

Here is my season prediction for Howell - I was curious how I did. I thought EB would have designed runs, and clearly envisioned less INTs but overall wasnt too far off.

 

 

Actual:

Passing:  388 for 612 for 3946 yards 63.4% 21 TDs 21 INTs

Rushing:  48 for 263 5 TDs.

 

 

 

 

 

SEVEN HUNDRED rushing yards??? Who do you think he was? Where did you get that idea from? lol 

This debate is pretty much dead now but felt like this is still a good point by Rappaport (that likely is coming directly from Arthur Blank)

7 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

I don't think it happens but I'll admit that if Mike-y M from Mia becomes available my calculus changes. 

 

Why would he be available? Lol

7 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

"Sugar rush of winning today"...

 

I've had a rough fn week, used to be sports was to help deal with that...

 

There's no promise of meaningful games anytime soon in a true rebuild...everytime I put the Wizards on the game is over before my first piss break is over...

 

This long game entertains yall on a daily basis? Gives you peace?  Good for you.

I live in reality. There is no short term with this franchise especially going into this season. 

2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Because that's what yall said about Young last time folks rooted for Dallas to kick our ass to end the season like this.

 

I've been to a finalenthat was taken over by Philly, no, hearing Dallas taken over our stadium I want no parts of, don't what the analytics say...

Well Dallas and Philly have kicked our asses for about 30 years now so what’s another loss?

At least I have hope now. Better than the sugar rush of winning today. I’d much rather beat them in future meaningful games 

Don’t need or want to see another snap from ol’14 ever again. 
 

Thank you.

6 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Marty

Gibbs II 

Jay

Shanahan

Rivera

Spurier

Zorn

(not counting the interims or Norv whom he inherited)

I’m 30 so while I’ve pretty much never missed a game since I was like 5, I didn’t really understand/pay much attention to coaches until like the Gibbs 2 era. I remember the results before then but I don’t really have much of a memory/concept about the others’ coaching styles except that Marty was a hard ass and Spurrier was um…quirky? Lol 

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I know everyone thinks I hate Sam but legitimately never understood how Ridder and Corrall got picked before him. It sounds good in hindsight but I got instant bust vibes as soon as I started researching them leading up to the draft. Especially Corrall. 

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Agree, easily.  I respect his personal journey dealing with cancer and all the Dan garbage.  But as a coach-GM he's been atrocious.  And his comments have been equally off putting.

 

He's fit to a tee the "losing culture" of the Dan era.  It was fitting how much he praised Dan this year and didn't get why people had a beef with Dan. 

 

This season he's been a combinaton of delusional-arrogant-lazy-incompetent.  A Zorn like ending to his tenure. 

I was so onboard with him the first year and a half. I really was. I blindly defended him at times even though I pretty much disagreed with him completely at a philosophical level. Defended the Jamin Davis pick even though it went against what I believed a modern team should do. I went to war with folks in favor of Wentz bc I was a fan of his and I still wanted to believe in Ron. 
 

But the arrogance and superiority complex drove me away slowly. I get it. He’s a 1 of 1 alpha male that’s accomplished greatness at basically every level of football. He should be arrogant but the final straw for me was going into that first Philly game in 2022 and being like a 7-8 point dog AT HOME to a rival that started a rebuild after you did. I had ST that year and I remember walking into that stadium resigned to the fact that we were gonna be wrecked and no one associated with Philly was even worried about the result.
 

Inexcusable. His record at drafting and FA is unbelievably bad. I know there were forces beyond his control at times but it’s hard to be this bad. 

Really want to make a thread and get everyone’s opinion on where Ron falls in the Snyder’s HC group. 
 

To me, he’s in Zorn and Spurrier territory easily. 

7 hours ago, mac8887 said:

I don't think you would make that trade to "get a 1 year look". You make that trade knowing that you will extend him. You extend him as early as possible. It's not like he would demand top of the qb market money. If you could pay him a top 5-10 qb salary, within 2 years he would be one of the cheapest non rookie contract qbs in the league.

No way. I’m intrigued by Fields but he’s  done nothing to warrant an extension and honestly has shown to be closer to bad than good. It would be insane to randomly lock him up. 

8 minutes ago, redskinss said:

It's one of those philosophical debates that can't be won, kind of like who would win in a fight between Tyson and Ali or could the 85 bears dominate today but it's a debate I've always fallen on the side of nurture over nature.

 

I believe if purdy were here and Howell were there the roles would be almost reversed. 

 

Look at how much Shanahan got out of garrapalo and just how horrible he was in Vegas.

Situations matter and purdy fell into the best one imaginable and unfortunately for Howell it was the exact opposite. 

Agreed on your philosophical point. 
 

And in general, I agree with your main point but I really think Purdy is a good QB. Maybe he got there faster because of circumstance but his numbers are MVP worthy. That’s has to be beyond the Shanahan system in my mind because we’ve never seen a QB (young or old) run it to this degree outside of RG3. I am not confident that Sam would have them winning the one seed in the NFC right now but that’s just my opinion. Processing and making accurate throws are crucial in that system and Sam struggles with that a lot right now. But again this is just my opinion. For whatever reason, I’ve always been really impressed with Purdy. I never saw it with Lance and Jimmy G drove me insane when I watched him play there. 
 

I will say Pittsburgh is a good example of the overall point. Pickett stinks but bc he plays for Pittsburgh and specifically Tomlin, he’s always going to be winning games in spite of himself.