Veretax

20 hours ago, MartinC said:

He started 10 or 11 games this last season with the best QB in the league and had less than 3 catches a game overall. Only 21 catches on the season.

 

Hard pass.

Yeah can I be honest, I'm one of those recovering Anthony Mix guys I see height on a WR and I start imaginging.   The more I think about MVS the more I think there are much more impactful players, and we can't afford a dud FA WR.  we'd be better to resign Samuel now that I think about it (and that's not a move I've been pushing fo\r sure)

I said this on a post about harris,

He may be just learning the process
He may be curious how real talent evaluators work
He may be there to laugh at Caleb Williams for not having a real agent, like seriously, advice young man, Love your dad, don't let him run your life.

 

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

 

I was about to wonder about this till I saw the Mac Jones comment.  LOL

What if they want him as a back up?

We have 2 problems at TE

1. Logan's injury history
2. most of the rest didn't stand out or shine.  But was that because of lack of talent and skill? Or was it because of play calling, bad OL play and Sam?

I dunno, but we need a stud TE and a guy to elevate from the crowd just enough to be the sure #2.

34 minutes ago, Rolo Tomasie said:

Speaking of the connection between Maye and Wilson, Zierlein's comment also reveals he did not watch the full UNC NC State game. I'm going to post something about that game, because it's getting lumped in by a lot of bad analysts as a bad Drake Maye game and it's not. It's actually a pretty amazing game where you have an ascendent state team and a floundering tar heels team, but Wilson and Maye are clearly the two best players on the field. Anyone saying that was a bad game by Maye is going only by the stats and not watching it. Wilson was a man among boys playing in his last home game and elevated the whole state defense to the point they were playing out of their minds. He was everywhere, including sandwiching Maye on a scramble and causing a fumble early in the game. Meanwhile the entire UNC team crumbled and did not want to be there, except for Maye. Both his interceptions bounced off his own players' hands, including one that caromed to Wilson. Tez Walker not only dropped several other passes but also managed to catch a beautiful long pass from Maye, fumble at the goal line and then recover it in the end zone, which was fine for his team but took a TD away from his QB. McCollum and Jones were hurt. Nesbit drops several catches. The center repeatedly hikes the ball too early, and the entire team is entirely unable to keep their footing the whole game. Maye is pressured on every single drop back. And the UNC defense fails to stop a pedestrian state offense at all. I think State scored on its first seven possessions. It's a great game to watch, a hell of a performance by Wilson and actually a pretty damn heroic solo effort by Maye.

Yeah I don't see some of the things people are saying, but Walker, is he the WR that was in the Senior Bowl or East West Shrine game? Guy seemed to drop a lot of balls.  That scares me.
 

3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Todays watch, plus Sinnott as main TE interest.

Sinnot, Theo Johnson, maybe Stover depending on when you feel we move to TE.



As far as FS goes Kinchens and Nubin are really neck and neck for me now, but they aren't the same player, Different teams it would not surpris me, if they have them rated and ranked differently.

22 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Yep in total agreement here. I can live with Maye/Daniels/Williams being a bust. But if we pass on any and they end up being a stud, that’s immediatele cause for termination.

Its because I have to acknowledge the possibility, and that it may be exasperbated by our perceived need, is why I don't want to waste capital and trade up. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rd could make our franchise for the next 4 years.

10 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Not shocked and shocked at the same time. He backed out of the shrine game last minute and was off, but he was better the bigger the game. 

 

Not everyone tests well. I'm still confused on my top 3 LBers.

That's the shock of the day I think.

Yeah Edgerrin Cooper has been my Linebacker Man crush since I started looking ahead to the draft in October.

THere are other studs in this draft that won't guy very high.

My main issue with Cooper is, if we are running a 4-3 is his pass rushing focus going to be wasted.

Wilson or Gray would be great Inside/Middle Linebackers for us I believe.

A lot depends on how they plan to use Jamin Davis

But that speed on Wilson might vault him ahead of Cooper.

 

20 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

Was watching Texas tape last night. The more I watch AD Mitchell the more I like the guy. He looks so much like CeeDee. Smooth as butter with just the perfect amount of wiggle in his routes. The guy only had one drop all season. Only one year of production. But man what a year it was,

 

Cooper Bebe stood out to me against Texas as well.

 

I'm not a mitchell fan but in most of the drafts by the time I come back to WR he's gone.

Bebe could be good but I also like:

Cade Stover TE Ohio State
Jaheim Bell TE Ohio State
THeo Johnson TE PennState

Erick All the TE for Iowa keeps falling like a rock, he at one point was the highest TE after Bowers and the fellow from texas.
 

19 hours ago, PlayAction said:

 

If the Commanders take a QB with the #2 pick, as we all assume, then the real meat of the draft for this team begins at the top of the second round.  Either the #36 or #40 pick theoretically could be traded for a lower mid second round pick + a third or fourth round pick. Talent evaluation is key + probability analysis of the board.  2 prime second round picks, OR 1 prime second, 1 mid round second, 1 lower/mid 3rd or high 4th round pick, OR 2 mid round seconds, 1 lower/mid 3rd, 1 high 4th round pick.  There will be a lot of angst with any trade down.  Giving up the known for a possibility is a tough choice.  I'm inclined to roll the dice on trading one of the second-round picks but not both.  The what-ifs will haunt us forever if the current scouting group isn't up the task.     

I feel that trade down scenario strongly especially given the amount of talent in the 2nd Round.

Some guys from day 1 that have had my eye for a while:
Payton Wilson LB NC State 4.43 
Chop Robinson Edge Penn State 4.48
Edgerrin Cooper LB TX A&M 4.51
Jared Verse Edge FSU 4.58
Bralen Trice Edge Washington 4.72
Cedrig Gray LB UNC 4.64



 

On 2/23/2024 at 2:15 PM, illone said:

Caleb is definitely still in play for Washington...

 

Magic Johnson is nothing short of sports royalty, if he calls Caleb's dad you better believe that call is being answered.

 

I'm not buying anything said by anyone until the pick is made, or the trade is confirmed. 

 

Do I need to remind some of you guys what month it is?  Only stupid teams reveal their true intentions this time of year..

Yes, but I'd also note bears sources are putting out more smoke screens than Cerrato and Bruce Allen combined right now.

 

On 2/23/2024 at 2:43 PM, FrFan said:

 

Okay,  I've been an 'okay I'd trade down camp for a while, mainly because I imagine three teams will try to trade up, with Atlanta, Minnesota being 2 of them.  But is anyone else scared of the Giants Drafting Daniels?  Do you feel the same about Maye?

I swear that graphic alone might be enough ammo to make me sit and pick the best guy at #2 because of that.

 

14 hours ago, MartinC said:

If we are looking for a bigger X type receiver (and we should be) I'd look at Michael Pittman from the Colts. He is 26 and suffered through some bad QBs. He's 6' 4" 223 coming off a 100 catch 1100 yard season. He will want starting WR money though.

 

I would think he's going to get tagged if the Colts cant agree an extension.

I do like Pittman, like others not sure he will actually hit the market.
 

7 hours ago, PokerPacker said:

Valdez-Scantling is pretty much exclusively a deep threat.  He's not a guy that will get separation with his route running or use his frame to box out defenders and make catches in traffic.  He'll hit a home-run here and there, but otherwise he'll be invisible.

I don't remember how far down field he was seeing most of his targets.  (What is considered deep? 20 yards? 30?)

I remember him having a few memorable catches in the middle of the field between the hashes.  But if he's just a deep guy, I think that would move him out of my list for sure.

One guy I've heard several people throw around is DJ Chark Jr (think I spelled that right).   

6 hours ago, redskinss said:

I just watched the Adam peters press conference start to finish.

 

One thing that struck me as odd was when he was referencing lance newmark he talked about how they've never worked together but are good friends and spent years helping each other with scouting and that he was his "north star" at times in regards to scouting. I'm paraphrasing a little because I don't remember the exact wording.

 

Does it seem unusual to anyone else that two guys from different teams would help each other out so much in terms of scouting or am I reading too much I to that?

 

I know the league is a big brotherhood and they all have relationships all over the league but does that seem a bit excessive?

 

 

You should watch the Eastwood film 'handling the curve'.  I know its about Baseball, but the principals in scouting likely are similar in many ways.
 

7 minutes ago, Veretax said:

So THere was talk earlier of maybe getting a Taller WR to take some pressure inside off Terry and Jahan.

What amt Marquez Valdes-Scantling, I think he's not yet 30, but at 6'4, He could be the big boddy a Kingsburry Play book could really use to shake things up.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39615740/source-chiefs-release-marquez-valdes-scantling-save-12m

Reportedly chiefs did this to save 12 mil on the cap.  We could easily pick that up, and extend him for a few years, allowing us to then focus on the best available WR in the draft, and then decide on the futures of Terry/Jahan, etc..

And search failed me on this, i did look to see if it was posted before I shared this, I'm not saying MVS is the best Receiver available in FA that we could add, but barring the injury history, has had some pretty good impacts in KC and GB.


Its interesting ,looking at MVS's stats:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/ValdMa00.htm





For the record, I wasn't proposing him as a replacement for our #2, but perhaps a better fit at the opposite side of the field from Terry, allowing Dotson to be in the slot on either side (or for them to switch.  I think he was injured a bit last year though, and KC had a number of WRs and tended to feede Travis Kelcey a ton.

So THere was talk earlier of maybe getting a Taller WR to take some pressure inside off Terry and Jahan.

What amt Marquez Valdes-Scantling, I think he's not yet 30, but at 6'4, He could be the big boddy a Kingsburry Play book could really use to shake things up.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39615740/source-chiefs-release-marquez-valdes-scantling-save-12m

Reportedly chiefs did this to save 12 mil on the cap.  We could easily pick that up, and extend him for a few years, allowing us to then focus on the best available WR in the draft, and then decide on the futures of Terry/Jahan, etc..

17 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

Another blitz from Spags at a critical time of the game. 1st down here ends the game.

 

 

I have never been a fan of 5 WR in critical green zone 3rd downs.  Too easy to mess up the timing by sending just 1 more guy unexpectedly from a direciton you don't know about.

If you ask me that's on Kyle's play design/call.

1 hour ago, clskinsfan said:

Latest CBS mock draft. McCarthy goes before Daniels. Glad I am not alone:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-pass-on-qb-but-4-still-go-in-top-10-cowboys-protect-dak-prescott/

There is a lot of maleability in these mock drafts.  I've run many scnarios on several simulation sites and I have seen several things.

1. Caleb Williams is #1, but even he could fall, but likely no further than 11.  I've seen him available at 5, and 11 in some of the simulations.
2. Daniels is sometimes taken before Maye.
3. There is a lot of interest in the top WRs in this draft.  Marvin Harrison Jr is not always the top receiver, but he tends to be taken more oftten then Naborss and Odunze.  And in one site, Brian Thomas Jr who is rated 21st best prospect there, is often taken in the top 15.
4. Right now the twop 2 OTs are usually gone in the top ten.  Maybe that's not shocking.  90% of the sims I've seen Have Joe Alt #1, followed by Fashanau from Penn State
5. TE Bowers is off the board in vast majority of Sims in top 5, but I've seen him fall to around 11-15 in only 2 sims I've seen. (THere isn't a ton of TE candidates in this draft which may be making people go.
6. OT's Amarius Mims, Troy Fautanu, Tryler Guyton, and Jordan Moragen ( one site has them 22, 25, 26, 35) all could be taken mid to late first, but 1 or 2 could slide into the top of the second.
7.  The top DEs are also apparently going in the top ten: Dallas Turner, Jared, Verse and Latu from UCLA are going pretty early.   The next 3 that at one point were mocked in the mid to late first are falling out of the second in about half the drafts I've seen this week. (Demeioun Robinson, Penn St, Bralen
8.  Early on, the IOL seemed to be 2 in the first then none till the third, but the next 3 have been sliding into the early to mid second round of late.


Those are just my observations though.  No idea how realistic any of these mock draft simulators actually are. or any insight into how they decide what a team does before FA has even occured.
 

On 1/19/2024 at 7:42 PM, SkinsFTW said:

Nobody posted in here after the final game so here are the stats.

 

This team had the 32nd ranked defense for points giving up 518 which is 30.4 per game.

 

The next worst team was AZ giving up 26.7 per game.

 

So not only was this defense pathetic. It was 4 points worse than the 2nd worst. \

 

That is historically bad more than likely. 

 

The Broncos gave up 70 in a game but still ended up giving up 105 less total. 

 That is over 6 points better per game so they ended up at 24. 

I wanted to underscore and buttress this by saying, not only where we bad, we were historically bad, and all anyone wants to reference is the record sacks that Howell took (not the franchise altogether)

How bad was the defense?  I posted this in part of the thread I started earlier, but its relevant here:

 

We were DEAD last in total team defense giving up an obscene 6,612 yards to or opponents. and what's telling is only 3 other teams had to play more offensive plays on Defense.

We were also next to dead last in yards per play (5.9, to cincy's 6.0, denvers, 5.8, and Zona's 5.7, even the Hapless Giants were better than us with 5.6 yards per play.
Seattle with 1147, and Indy with 1137 (we were 1117)

We were the Tenth worse in takeways with a yawning, 18, tied with Phily, Green Bay, and New England  (Zona, KC, Atlanta, LA Rams, Titans, and Panthers all had fewer, the panthers only had 11. just wow) The point is, hardly one turnover a game.

We were 13th in Fumbles lost with 10.  

We were third in 1st Downs allowed and could not get off the field with 364 Only ahed of Arizona and Seattle, (369/380)

We were 7th in Completions allowed with 396 with only Jax, Tampa, Chicago, 49ers, Eagles, and Vikings allowing more. I was a bit surprised Eagles, and 49ers were higher than us on this one)

We were dead last in Passing yards allowed with 4457, nearly a 150 above the Eagles !.  

We were dead last in passing TDs allowed with 39 (4 more than Philly!)

And I had thought our Rushing D was actually decent, I was wrong, we were 6th worse giving up 2155 yards. (only the packers (2181), Giants (2251), Broncos (2331), Seahawks (2352), Cards (2434) had more.

We were 11th worse in Rushing TDs given up with 11.

pro football reference's advanced team defense has us as 7th worst in Total Air Yards per completion with 2424, 2197 YAC allowed (8th worst), and we were 6th wors in hurries with 34, 1 better than Dallas astonishingly.  7th worst in Team sacks with 39.  

I could go on and on on the stats:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/opp.htm#all_team_stats

Not just historically bad, franchise, historically, historically bad... not just in the bad for the history of the franchise, but among the worst historically in the Super Bowl Era.

after watching Kyle's team last night, and looking at their Cap situation for next year, man they are a lot like dallas.:

And they have some huge cap hits amont their top twelve players



They will have a hard tim resigning any of their free agents.

Which include some names:

Jon Feliciano C
Chase Young DE
Ray-ray McCloud WR
Jauan Jennings WR (the fellow who through the TD pass in the first half)

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/san-francisco-49ers/

(all this information from sporttrac)

It makes me wonder what we might expect in the first year with Adam Peters, will we run the Cap that Tight? Or do we not use all that space so we have space to resign folks in 2025, 2026?

I've no idea what we might do, but both San Fran and Dallas will likely not be returning a number of their play off players from this year.

That could mean opportunity if lady luck should favor a certain franchise this year.
 

So I'm not sure if this news source can be trusted... its msn after all, but not sure how some of us will feel that a ownership member may have been meddling in coach hiring decisions for Quinn and Peters....

NFL News: Magic Johnson makes his first big decision as co-owner of the Commanders (msn.com)


If you go through a list of names, that is say ten  or 20, and you pick 6 to make it to the next round, and 3 bow out, leaving 3, and you end up with #3 of those 3 is that settling?

You could have hired the other 3 of the 6, or anyone in the ten or 20?  I think saying its settling is to misunderstand the process, and how hiring works.

They likely would have been happy with a number of different people, but the combination of skills, leadership ability, communicatin, availablity etc..... ended up leading to Quinn.

If you want to depress yourself by continuing to regurgitate the 'settled' for 3rd best when there are hundreds of coaches they could have picked, that's on you.
 

3 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

For those interested you can take a quick poll on your initial impressions of our new coaching triumvirate.

 

They ask respondents to give a letter grade (A thru F) for each hire, Quinn, Whitt and Kingsburry.

 

Poll below

 

https://www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2024/2/6/24063475/washington-reacts-survey-the-commanders-coaching-hires

 

 

I gave Quinn a B.

Whitt an A.

Kingsbury an A.

 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't get it to submit...

but I had Quinn as an A (i'd say A- if that was an option)

I had Kingsbury as a B, because I wasn't impressed with his AZ team.

I have whitt as a C in part because I don't know if he's run a defense before on his own, and how much of That defense in Dallas was about players vs coaching.

11 minutes ago, Conn said:

We’ve seen Dyami for a few years now. He’s not explosive and he’s not a YAC guy.  Our offense this year wasn’t doing anyone any favors, but that doesn’t change that you don’t want Dyami being your bubble screen weapon lol 

 

A YAC possession WR who can block that I’d like in FA is Juaun Jennings. One of Peters’ guys, he’s the perfect 4th WR who can take on a bigger role if anyone gets hurt, fights for yardage, most of his catches came in clutch 3rd down situations to gain a 1st down. 
 

I’d still like a stud outside WR prospect to push Doctson to the slot and complement McLaurin as well. 
 

I basically don’t want to see Dyami getting schemed touches, or preferably even being on the roster, if we can help it.

Thanks for that.   I think you are probably right.  I liked Samuel in Carolina, but I'm not sure he did enough to earn another contract here, and there are other people to go There are so many Talented WRs in this draft too, I think we sign a FA and draft at least one.  Heck I'd not be surprised if we draft someone for the return game.

 

Yeah they apparently had a rubric for the coaching search broke down into categories my ears glazed over after the 4th one so cI can't regurgitate them all here.

1 minute ago, SkinsFanPA said:

Have some of you even bothered to read the very detailed articles on how the interview process went, and how Quinn wasn't an afterthought?

 

Or are you convinced, in your mind, with NO inside information into the situation at all, and with facts to the contrary at your fingertips, that the organization "settled on a retread"?

 

Good grief.  What a weird hill to die on.

Sheehan was talking about that this morning, I'll admit I had never imagined what a coaching interview would look like.

 

2 minutes ago, Conn said:

Dyami is a nightmare fit for that role imo. Bad. He’s a non-speedy straight line “deep threat” (not really). It’s why he’s never developed, he doesn’t win anywhere. He’s not agile or explosive enough in the short game and he’s not fast or technical enough (and doesn’t have good enough hands) for the deep game. Dyami is not a guy I want to rely on for YAC

I don't know if this is true, It felt like Sam was missing or had so little time this year that after choiecs 1 and 2 it was not clear if he was seeing his other reeds on many plays.  And yet he still needed a 17th game to help Terry to 1000 yards. 🤦‍♂️

1 minute ago, Dah-Dee said:

Not sure I understand why folks might suggest we go non-QB this year, planning to draft one next year. Everything I've seen predicts a huge falloff in QB talent for the 2025 draft.

 

2024 top 3: Williams, Maye, Daniels (then Penix, Nix, McCarthy)

 

2025 top 3: Shedeur Sanders, Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers (and/or Drew Allar, Jalen Milroe, Connor Weigman)

 

Yikes.

I don't think anyone is predicting it, just discussion the possibility if we did. (not exactly an apples to apples comparison)

What's more, the more I find myself trying the trade down route I am either more convinced that these sims are crap (because some teams throw WAY to many picks for a 2nd and a 3rd), But I have noticed that if you do trade down, you may do from multiple picks.... In one draft I endedup with 15 selections, 6-7 in the first 100.   After going through that, i feel like once you get passt the 4th or 5th pick the focus and quality of what's available begins to become   lesser to some degree, although there is a lot of talent in this draft, I think its better than last years.

But I expect them to draft someone at #2 likely a QB, but could be an OT.   In part because if they can move around late in the draft, they can still add a couple this year and next year picks if they are smart about it.

  

Just now, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said:

 

Wasn't Dallas coach McCarthy also accused of having a foot fetish? Wouldn't that be weird if an NFL team had a head coach and DC with same foot fetish? Would they be game planning or sharing foot pics all day long?

Could you imagine the Bang Cartoon spoof that would result from that?

Wow, EB was Helping KC out while still under contract technically with Washington? 

Did he have permission to do this?

Not that any of us care, but *cough* tampering?

 

I saw the tweet about Samuels maybe being a fit in Kingsbury's bubble screens etc.

Dyami Brown could do those routes too, and it would be easy to pick up a mid round WR with speed that can do that also.

I have found a certain USC WR particularly interesting, not just because of his pedigree

As for LB There are three I really like, and they might be there in late 2nd or mid 3rd round:  Edgerrin Cooper TX A&M, Jeremiah Trotter JR Clemson, and Cedric Gray (UNC)  Trotter's highlight reel is not as exciting to me as the other two, Gray showed incredible athleticism on several plays in the Senior bowl or East west Shrine Bowl....

But Coooper, man that guy has tape showing him as a spy, a pass rusher, and incredibly physical tackler.   I'd love to see him on this team.