AsburySkinsFan

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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    Never said that suffering wasn't connected to sin, you are saying that I said that. The timetable of what happens immediately after we die is ambiguous at best. You want to attribute a timeline to a god who obviously rejects timelines (considering he transcends time). In your mind Jesus goes to prepare you a place so you have a place to hang out after you die while you wait for his return. At best the clearest image is the throne-room in Revelation but lets not pretend we can do much with literal interpretations in Revelation. However, you have Abraham who believed he would go to the place of the dead, Sheol, where ALL the dead went. What do I believe happens when you die? Your relatives will spend an inordinate amount of money on a funeral so your body will be preserved in a VERY comfortable box that you will never enjoy all because they feel guilty. They'll exchange casseroles and hugs and try to think of something profound to before they all start fighting over the ****ing will. Meanwhile, you'll be rotting...slowly because of the juice they pump into your corpse because our culture cannot accept death as a natural part of life. Or you'll be on a mantle in a jar. What did I believe before? At first I believed in heaven because, that's what my preacher believed, and I believed in Hell because God needs to damn people who aren't me. Then I dropped that **** because it doesn't make any sense. Then I settled in on basic resurrection because that's what the book actually says. Then I woke up one day and never looked back.
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    Yup, typical Evangelical dichotomy between sin/death as if the two aren't intimately connected. Oh, and don't think I ever said Paul fears death, I said that he's accepted his imminent death. This might be difficult but those are two different things. And just because Paul has accepted his upcoming death does NOT mean he no longer views death as a consequence of sin. You are sterilizing death which is common in Evangelical circles because you ignore what the resurrection ACTUALLY is and you reinterpret "resurrection" to mean Heaven because you don't get that actual bodily resurrection of the faithful is the promise of the Bible...not an eternity in "heaven". So you're fine to believe what you choose, it's just not Christianity. It's another religion with Jesus as a hood ornament.
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    And what I'm saying is that what you have described is NOT what the Bible teaches. Life is not the prepwork, life is the point of it all. God creates life, sin ****s it up, God sends his son to restore life. Death is the enemy. What is being taught in modern Evangelical churches is FAR from that. Which is my whole point, and to push the point further it's what makes the whole thing even MORE unconvincing. That after thousands of years they STILL can't get it right. Oh I'm sure they will say they have, but a brief reflection of their stated beliefs about things like death and what their Bible actually says about death will reveal two very different ways of thinking. But hey no biggie it's just about Jezus the rest don't matter...all you got to do is tell the ghost in the sky you're sorry for the **** you do each day and when you die he'll treat you like the champion you know you are!
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    The Grilling and Cooking Thread

    Facts!! Whole chickens man! $5-$6 each feed a family of four off one, two if they're big eaters. Learn to break it down on your own and the possibilities are wide open. Right now poultry producers are making a killing off pre-cut packaged individual chicken parts. It's easy to break them down and a youtube vid will teach you how. Try buying ANY other protein as cheap and versatile. Do you salt prep your egg plant first? I've heard that if you salt them and let them rest then they will shed a lot of their water.
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    Trump Translated: "They may be angry at me for lying to them but they hate ******* and *** backs more than they're angry at me."
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    No kidding, every time I think about Ayn's Objectivism I think of Guatemala, those who have have, those who do not don't, those who steal are rewarded. After all wasn't it Ayn who described a woman being raped as thanking her rapist for showing her the way the world should work? That Christians would follow that is ****ing laughable.
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    Oh, Rand's wetdream would be for all of the USA to be turned into a libertarian third world country.
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    General Mass Shooting Thread (originally Las Vegas Strip)

    Ted Cruz is like every other white Republican Evangelical gunporn loving jackass, white people out there ACTUALLY killing people in ACTUAL mass shootings are not NEARLY as much of a threat as a black person holding a gun promising to defend himself. BTW, if you are white, Republican, Evangelical, or gun lover, and feel this doesn't reflect accurately, I don't give a ****. You are the company you keep.
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    Rand Paul translation: "That black **** ought to take a seat and be thankful for all that we've given her." That ain't no ****ing dog whistle, here's a white man telling a black immigrant woman to sit down, shut up, and be grateful for all that the whites have given to her.
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    Classical Christian Theology: Prior to sin (man's participation in evil) there was no death. As part of the punishment for that sin god allowed humanity to be affected by death (NOT just the processes of sickness and age, but the reality of death). Death entered into the world through one man and death was over come by one man. The promises throughout the entire NT are not a happy existence AFTER we die but a resurrection and defeat of death. That's simply what the text says. Augustine in his dualistic theology abandons resurrection, and embraces Heaven as the reward, thus death is a now a mechanism. But Augustine misconstrues the Bible to his own ends. Even a cursory reading of the Bible demonstrates that God never intended for death to affect humanity, and that death is what is prevailed against, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" If you are serious about your faith, I'd encourage you to examine what you believe in light of what's in your texts. As for your red herring arguments about the Hebrews and their vision of Eden/Exodus, you know full well that the point of those stories is not the stories but the teachings that undergird them. Christianity, is after all a Hebraic religion, and if you are going to stand in judgment of those who authored your very own sacred texts, then sir, I might suggest that you are creating your own religion, around a god of your own design. For your religion is nothing without the foundation it was built from, and if they are wrong about their theological principles then what leg have you to stand on? You have literally given yourself permission to remake the religion into whatever suits your interests. That, I do believe is the very definition of idolatry. As for Philippians 1, Paul is faced with his imminent death, he's coming to terms with the fact that he is going to be martyred soon by the Romans. This is a guy who is embracing his reality. Paul is NOT saying that death is a neutral thing or even a good thing. His hope is that through death he will be with Christ, you are seriously twisting his words if you think that Paul is somehow pontificating that death is somehow a benign thing. Death is the scourge of evil.
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    So Jesus telling you that death is the wage you receive from sin you read that then to mean death is neutral. Even though according to the authors death was only known to humanity because of sin. All that to you makes death a neutral event? Lemmie tell ya, that's HIGHLY counter intuitive. 2. It's fine, you're both wrong. 3. So the actual authors didn't know what they were talking about? It couldn't possibly be that you feel this way because it's you who misunderstands them? Nah, after 4,000 years you finally got it worked out.
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    Except the whole New Testament part about the wages of sin and all. And Augustine was wrong, he wasn't in keeping with what the Bible actually teaches in this regard, nor was he in line with anything that would resemble a Hebraic understanding of post death because Augustine either ignores or outright redefines the meaning of resurrection. Just sayin'
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    Oh so now I'm Ted Bundy. Gotcha. Why not engage your brain and ask a question before posting some bull**** strawman next time? Some who aren't failing in their basic logic centers would recognize that there is a difference in seeing death as neutral and seeing people as valueless objects as a sociopath, but I'm sure you just need your coffee before you can fully engage....(your past posting history notwithstanding). And landing on the moon wasn't a miracle it was an act of science and engineering. The fact that you don't know how to do it does not make it a miracle. I bet my wife's gallbladder surgery was a miracle too...you know if you ignore the whole surgeon.
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    What do you Believe??? (Religion)

    A Christian theist should, it is after all the consequence of sin and wholly preventable according to the faith. As I sit here now post-faith I don't place an emotional value on death any more than I do a stop sign. It's a thing nothing more. It is scripture in the Bible that considers death bad or a consequence of evil. That you suggest theists don't view death as bad seems to suggest that you've accepted the punishment as normal. It also suggests that you're more Augustinian/Dante version of the afterlife where death is a neutral gateway to the reward/punishment. Which I would argue isn't what your Bible actually teaches. Fine, if there are so many miracles name some verifiable miracles.
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    The Liquor Thread

    I had a good weekend on my 23rd Anniversary weekend in Louisville with my wife. Obviously some drinks were more refined than others.
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    That dip**** and his inept administration doesn't reflect on me in the slightest. And if THIS is the deciding moment for someone's opinion on the Trump Administration then their dumbasses who simply haven't been paying attention.
  17. Awwww, it's soooo kewt watching @twa ****ing about being less coal dependent and knowing that the "Great State of Texas" is going renewable. LOL It's like San Francisco invaded and he's being held hostage.
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    That is freaking hilarious, and just shows the level of ineptitude of this administration. They don't even control their own images when they appear at events, leaving themselves open to error and malice.
  19. @twa be all like WTF, I thought Texas was Uhmerican!!
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    General Mass Shooting Thread (originally Las Vegas Strip)

    Whew, every time this thread pops up my heart skips.
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    The Own3d Thread.(Keep it clean)

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    Fixing the Republican Party (new material on pg 9)

    Interesting article. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/07/22/is-congress-rigged-in-favour-of-the-rich?al_applink_data={"target_url"%3A"https%3A\%2F\%2Fecon.st\%2F32LrBKZ"%2C"extras"%3A{"fb_app_id"%3A193926687345108}%2C"referer_app_link"%3A{"url"%3A"fb%3A\%2F\%2F\%2F%3Fapp_id%3D193926687345108"%2C"app_name"%3A"Facebook"}}
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    Trump and his cabinet/buffoonery- Get your bunkers ready!

    Hey Siri, look up "Presidential Harassment" in the US Federal Law..... "Ok, Here's what I found under "Presidential Harassment" in the US Federal Law...."One orange fat **** who can dish it out but can't take it." Listen up Cheeto, when you make EVERYONE a target, then you lose the right to complain when they turn their focus on you. Get ****ed asshole.