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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I am higher on our receiver crew than most NFL observer types, ditto our RBs. But the O line does concern me. I keep bringing up the NY Giants on that front because their offense was slowed by their O line for years but in my view it has been rebuilt and is distinctly superior to ours now. I think upgrading the O line might be the obvious 2021 off season mission. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/nfl-expert-no-quarterback-worse-situation-dwayne-haskins ...During a recent episode of the Around the NFL podcast, Rosenthal delivered the following scorching line of analysis. "No quarterback in the league, I think if you look at whole situation — offensive line, coach, receivers, everything — I don't know if anyone has a worse situation than Dwayne Haskins," he said. "He is set up to fail." Much like when ESPN's Bill Barnwell labeled Haskins a "loser" of the offseason a few weeks ago, Rosenthal's criticism is grounded. Well, it is on the surface, anyway. As the presumptive starter, Haskins will largely be tasked with turning around an offense that scored the fewest points in the sport last year for a team that went 3-13. That's a bad situation. But is it really the worst in the league? And is he being set up to fail? Those statements feel hyperbolic. Haskins' new head coach, for one, appears to fully be in the QB's corner. This is the same head coach who supported Cam Newton through everything Newton faced in Carolina. Ron Rivera is a very important part of the equation, as is the presence of offensive coordinator Scott Turner. As for the offense itself, yes, it's a weak one on paper. However, it's not like the organization has completely ignored it the last few months. Up front, they signed Cornelius Lucas and drafted Saahdiq Charles in an attempt to shore up left tackle as best as they could. As for the skill positions, they drafted Antonio Gibson and Antonio Gandy-Golden, and brought in a few other role players to round out running back and tight end. They even made a heavy run at Amari Cooper, before ultimately losing out to the Cowboys for his services. Overall, the Redskins seem ready to let Haskins attack 2020, a major gesture for a franchise that's entering a new era and easily could've moved on from him. That alone suggests they aren't exactly setting him up to fail like Rosenthal said; instead, they're setting him up to determine his own future. The rest will be up to him, which is all any pro could ever want.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    It was a good write up. Bullock is generally high on Haskins. It was interesting to read about Zampese and how he's good with fixing QB's footwork. Especially after reading that detailed article, I think Haskins potential is sky high if Zampese can do his magic with him. IMO one of Haskins' strengths is throwing in between the numbers. IMO he's not as good at throwing out routes and I mentioned watching him in camp he really struggled with some out routes as to hitting receivers in stride in the flat. Ditto during the season. Bullock dived into that some.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Chase Young DE Ohio State

    Young developed a workmanlike attitude when he was 6 years old. His parents remembered that former star running back Herschel Walker never lifted weights. Young didn't lift weights until high school. Instead, he did pushups, squats and agility work with a ladder or cones. He would play a card game, and, based on the card he picked, he would have to do a corresponding number of exercises. And, Young became a film junkie before he reached Ohio State. "He worked hard from an early age," Carla Young said. "We never had to tell him to work out or exercise. We almost had to threaten him to sit down." During football season in high school, Young would head to the gym after practices for 20 minutes of shooting baskets with no coaches around. "Some guys are talented in one [sport] so they have this prima donna or this, 'I'm Chase Young so I don't have to do that' attitude,'" Jones said. "He never behaved that way. He played like he had something to prove. I knew I could count on Chase. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29236690/chase-young-markelle-fultz-high-school-pals-linked-lofty-goal
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    What do you think of our O line situation? That's my main fear this season as for Haskins. We got some wildcards on the left side of the line. I'd actually now post this off season rather have the Giants O line than ours.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Sorry my point directed to your post was squarely on the mobility issue. The rest was a sidebar with me just pontificating about the player nothing to do with your post. i get the logic behind the point. But I do think mobility and sacks ironically often converge. Russell Wilson for example is a dynamo with his legs. You pay a price with that at times and take more sacks. The two can often go hand and hand when the tendency of the player is to extend plays and by extension since he's not dumping the ball fast, there is a greater chance he will get sacked more. I think mobility is obvious when you see it. Hence Arians, Belichick among others went out of their way to single out Jones' mobility. He moves well IMO especially for a dude that size. Speaking for myself, I was talking about Jones. I haven't ignored Haskins' weak supporting cast. All off season, I talked about needing to upgrade it. I think now the Giants have the better O line ironically, IMO they surpassed us on that front after this off season. Their LT was their big issue IMO and A. Thomas I think will more than fix that. I wouldn't consider myself a Haskins critic aside from one issue. I've said numerous times, I am unsure about him, lean optimistic. That's my take on Jones, too. And I said I'd take Haskins over Jones. But i totally see why some would have the opposite take. It's a debatable conversation IMO. I get you agree on this. I've made the same point multiple times. Heck anything could end up true so who knows? But for example, I was listening to Kiper on a podcast go on and on like Jones is going to be the next Peyton. It was way over the top. Then he debates McShay on it and Kiper goes if you watched how Jones played last season often under duress and still made plays, you'd see what i am talking about. When Kiper says it, I have some of that same vibe of recalling being impressed with his play under duress but he takes it too far. I admit I watched Jones last year and wanted to see him fail. My mind was predisposed to look for the bad. But I was surprised by his play in spite of that. My gut is Haskins ends up the better player. As for Jones' ceiling. I don't think it's high or low. Medium? He doesn't have a rocket arm but its strong enough. He's got good size. He can move. He's really tough in the pocket. Supposedly works like a maniac. My take right now about him is i am backing off my pre draft prediction that he's another Case Keenum. I think he ends up better than that. But I'd love to be wrong and for him to fail.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    My interest on Jones is threefold. I studied him a lot pre draft. I watched his Duke games multiple times. Because my wife is a Giants fan, I ended up watching most of their games, either taped or often they were on a different time than the Redskins. I saw more Jones than Haskins last year because naturally Jones played more games. The last thing for me is I have a lot vested in him failing. The biggest difference with Jones versus his college play for me was he was a ballsy thrower down the field with the Giants. I wonder if that was pushed by Shurmur? One of my beefs with him at Duke was he was too conservative as for taking shots. It's part of the reason why I called him a poor man's Alex Smith. I said he was Alex Smith but with turnovers. And if so that takes away Alex's niche which is avoiding turnovers. So that was intended as a shot from me. But with the Giants, he had a little Rex Grossman in him at times -- he took mega chances. And like Rex he was hit and miss at it. But that was a big change in my view from his style in college. The one thing I admire about Jones that I didn't previously when I watched his college tape is his short field accuracy. And I learned to admire it more after watching Redskins training camp. Jay had his QBs throw to death in exercises short throws in the flat. Before watching those exercises, I just assumed those throws are easy to make. And really the only QB who consistently hit the receivers in stride was Colt. Haskins and Keenum mostly threw the ball either right to the receiver or slightly behind them. Jay was trying to get them to throw the ball slightly ahead of the receiver. I liked a lot of what i saw from Haskins in the last 2 games. But yeah I did see some of those same issues from camp as to Haskins hitting receivers in stride in the flat. Daniel Jones on the other hand was textbook at it in the games I watched. His ability to hit receivers in stride in the flat was hard to miss. And normally that would be yawn for me. But I realized it's actually a skill that not every QB has mastered and it's not as easy as it looks. Having said that I did like Haskins over Jones before the draft and i still like him better than Jones now. But all QBs have strengths and weaknesses, and IMO Jones is really good at hitting playmakers in stride. If It were me, I'd load Jones with YAC type hybrid receiver types because I think throwing the ball in the flat (west coast style) to playmakers is likely going to be his niche. As for not being smarter with the ball, I think he needs to cool it with taking chances like he did. That's one thing I never thought I'd say about him after watching Duke where he was too conservative for my taste.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Agree. I liked aspects of Haskins game last year. And as I mentioned, watching Haskins a number of times interact with fans including my kids -- I thought he was a super nice guy. He and Guice are amazing with fans. Really generous, super nice dudes. I've heard he's a smart dude and he's liked in the locker room. Yet, I was bothered by some of the stories (and yes I believed them, since it was coming from everywhere including reporters who are typically gun shy to report stories like that) about him not being a preparation hound. Ironically, I just posted about Daniel Jones, and I recall a NY reporter during the season touted that the dude is a maniac as for work ethic, in the building in 4 am, etc. The Haskins stories reminded me some of Josh Rosen. Similar stories about him in Arizona I recall. And Rosen has yet to live up to his potential. Cooley likes to say from what he saw in the locker room 70% of his teammates didn't love football and 30% of them did and he liked to say if he were a GM he would try to ferret out the ones who loved football. But all these off-season stories makes it look like he's done a complete metamorphosis on this. He looks to be working like a maniac. And that more than anything has made me optimistic about him because I don't have that pause anymore on that issue. Reading Arians' book about QBs he talks about for that position you have to be a workaholic because like a golfer you have to keep honing the swing so to speak otherwise you will never be consistent and during the season you got to cram in the playbook in a short span of time. Arians among others expressed plenty of QBs who tried to make it in the league didn't have that hunger to work hard enough at it but those who did often made it. So all of that has been floating in my mind about Haskins as for how it plays out for him. That's been my main reservation because otherwise I think he has a lot going for him. But this off season, it comes off like there should be no worries on Haskins on that front. Not to jinx it but I am drinking the Kool Aide on the weight loss, constant practicing, etc.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I never thought I'd be writing posts defending Daniel Jones. I was arguably the lead band leader trashing him before the draft. I was openly begging that we don't draft him. I was thrilled when the Giants took him. But watching all of his games but two last season, I was more impressed than I expected. It's not that i am now sold but I am also not unsold. 62% completion rate. 2:1 TD-INT ratio. And he did it with garbage and often under duress. Their O line was garbage. He was missing weapons, their offense was ravaged by injuries. I do think some NFL pundits are getting carried away by labeling him as an emerging star. It's possible IMO but I am doubtful so I am relatively speaking not high on Jones. But I do think he ends up a top 10-15 type starter. Before that draft, I compared him to Keenum. I didn't think he'd be a bust but I thought he'd be a marginal starter type 25-32 range. The top 3 QBs who took sacks were D. Watson, R. Wilson and K. Murray. Arguably the three most mobile and fastest QBs in the league. Alex Smith also in his prime was considered mobile yet was sacked a lot. Sometimes the dudes that move get sacked more in part because they hang or move in the pocket more because they trust their legs. I watched almost every Jones' game. The dude could move. You could see that in his college tape. A QB who runs in the 4.6's (In his pro day) relatively speaking is fast. If he played the full season he was on pace to rush for about 350 yards. What I like the most about his game is his touch on his throws in the flat where he hits his receivers almost perfectly in stride. I was watching our guys in camp and they struggled with throwing the ball to the receivers in stride in the flat to set up YAC. I commented about it at the time. Jones is like Robocop level almost perfect at doing that. That and his mobility and toughness in the pocket are his strengths IMO. His weaknesses (same as college) is downfield accuracy, general consistency and fumbles. I am somewhat uncertain about Daniel Jones' future as i am to a degree about Haskins, too. I lean optimistic on Haskins. I grudgingly admit that I do lean optimistic too though on Jones and it pains me to say, I hope am wrong about him. I'd bet on Haskins over Jones. But I do get those that say the reverse, there are arguments that can be made for either one over the other for different reasons. It should be interesting to see how this all shakes out. https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/59512/giants-make-right-move-heres-where-daniel-jones-mobility-mattered "The biggest thing is the mobility of Daniel," Arians said during a conference call with Giants reporters during the week. https://www.patspulpit.com/2019/10/10/20907685/new-england-patriots-new-york-giants-daniel-jones-mobility-5-questions-nfl-week-6-thursday-preview If he gets outside of the pocket, he can cause a lot of damage with his speed and his ability to extend plays,” said Belichick, essentially painting the same picture as Ed did about the highly drafted Duke product. “But, he’s a very accurate quarterback and has good poise. He’s shown good toughness in the pocket. He’s been hit a few times, but he just stands in there and can keeps ripping it. He’s been impressive.”
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    To me, this is one of the more intriguing things about Haskins season this year. One of my issues with Haskins as a prospect pre 2019 draft is his mobility. He ended up looking more mobile than I expected. But now he seems to be in great shape -- you'd figure it will improve his mobility even more.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I admit, its hard to not to drink the Rivera Kool Aide. Seems like a great guy. Good coach.
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    Welcome to the Redskins Chase Young DE Ohio State

    Me, too. The only draft pick that beats Young for me as to being excited about a player we drafted was RG3. Arguably Young is the first time this franchise drafted a player who is almost universally regarded as the best player in the draft. https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-chase-young-hungry-to-start-nfl-career Chase Young watches film "like other people go on Instagram," according to manager Ian Thomas, constantly pulling up video clips on his phone. He trains twice per day and is constantly focused on staying in shape, regardless of the time or place.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Wow. As I've mentioned before, a lot of my in laws are Giant fans. And I know too many Giant fans among friends, work associates. Plus I've had to battle with my in laws to keep my kids Redskins fans -- so far I've been miraculously successful in winning that battle during these down years albeit its helped that the Giants have been down, too. If the Giants ended up with Mahomes, my life would be miserable. Even though I wasn't a Jones guy before the draft and loved playing the youtube videos of Giant fans going crazy when they drafted him, I grudgingly admit he looked better than I expected last season. And I think he has two traits that Eli lacked. The dude is mobile. He can run. He's not a burner but he's above average on that front -- I'd compare him to Alex Smith in that regard. The other is he's tough in the pocket. Eli folds under pressure, Jones doesn't. But some of my criticism of his college play thus far has translated including his propensity for turnovers and sketchy accuracy outside the short game.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    He went beyond that point and said Giants fans should be excited about Daniel Jones' future. Not saying he's wrong on that -- I don't know. But as I've posted on this thread before I got something vested on Jones not working out. Plus I grew up hating the Giants, still do.
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    4-3 Starting Lineup

    Yep. Assume you mean Kyle Smith. Some shades here of McLaurin. Special teams ace. Locker room leader. I think a sneaky attribute from him that we might be able to use is his pass rushing ability. He had a bunch of sacks one season. He can come off the edge like a ball of fire. He doesn't have major pass rushing moves but I think he can be sneaky good in blitizes, double A, off the edge, etc. Arguably we don't really have a LB right now that's a great blitzer who can get to the passer. Part of the reason why I was a big Patrick Queen guy is I liked his blitzing ability. Hudson to me on that front has some Patrick Queen in him. Also he plays with the same type of energy as Queen. They are impossible not to notice when you are watching their defenses.
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    2020 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    Agree. If I recall you and me where among the bigger Gibson guys here. The day before the draft when we listed who are "our guys", Gibson was on that list for me. I recall saying multiple times for the Shenault fans as for him being an athletic freak -- why not equal if not more hype then about Gibson? Gibson is about the same size of Shenault but with the electric speed that some thought Shenault had (granted maybe the injury slowed him down) but might not. For a dude that big to run in the 4.3's that's freakish. He didn't get a lot of reps at Memphis but when he did the dude looked straight out of a video game as to breaking tackles and breakaway speed. I thought the late bloomer-non big numbers-non big school would allow him to fall to the 4th. But I had no issue at all taking him in the third. I was jazzed when we drafted Gibson. Outside of Chase, he's the one I'd put money on in Vegas that I think will be a great NFL player.
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    4-3 Starting Lineup

    If I had to guess it I'd say that he didn't have a defined role and there were hybrid type athletic freaks like Simmons, Chinn, Dugger who triggered a lot of attention -- and someone like Hudson isn't in their class athletically. If I recall Hudson I believe has short arms. Also usually players that are undersized -- some want them to be speed demons to offset that. And if they aren't super fast, their stock can sink. See Steve Sims as an example who went undrafted. I've been right sometimes and wrong too when I've gone against the conventional rap from draft observers about college players transitioning to the pros. As for Hudson, I am higher on him than most. I think he's plenty athletic enough. He has big time intangibles. And he plays with a motor you can't teach.
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I like the Orlovsky posts on Haskins. And all the positive vibes about Haskins this off season is putting me in a really good mood about him and the season coming up. Though I wish Orlovsky wasn't also selling Daniel Jones on twitter, too. I hate the Giants. ovsky
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    4-3 Starting Lineup

    Hudson should be interesting. I didn't watch him before the draft but I did watch him post draft and I was impressed. From what i saw I liked him more than the average draft observer. Most of the draft geek types tout Hudson as more or less purely a special teams ace. But personally, I think he can be better than just a special teams stud. I think he represents what they wanted Su'a Cravens to be -- a nickel, LB-safety combination. I think Hudson has a better shot than Cravens and I don't just mean because of his better mental make up. Hudson is the better athlete. Cravens ran a 4.7. Hudson is faster and stronger. Hudson's intangibles are through the roof. And the dude is a really fun watch, he's like the energizer bunny on the field, he looks like a baller, always going full speed and playing with oomph. He's decent against both the pass and run and can rush the passer. I think he can be a surprise asset to this defense https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-football-NFL-Combine-recap-Linebacker-Khaleke-Hudson-144688241/ SPARQ: 126.8 (ninth out of 25 participants) NFL athleticism percentile: 67.7th 40-yard dash: 4.56 seconds (eighth out of 26 participants) 10-yard split: 1.51 seconds (tied for second out of 26 participants) Bench press: 30 (first out of 23 participants) Vertical leap: 33 inches (tied for 13th out of 26 Broad jump: 10 feet (tied for 17th out of 35) The skinny While Hudson didn't leave Indianapolis with an overwhelmingly high buzz around him, he did impress in a couple key drills. His bench press success — especially for his size — might speak to his work ethic as much as his strength, and his 10-yard split will assure NFL teams of his burst off the line into the backfield, even if his long speed is a tad slow for others at his size and position. Ultimately, his smaller frame might keep him from being selected in the draft's first two days on its own. But Hudson didn't hurt his stock at the Combine, and if his 3-cone and shuttle times correlate with his speed, it would certainly seem like teams could find a spot for someone with his combination of speed and strength.
  19. QB definitely key, the season will rise or fall with Haskins so got my fingers crossed. I was thinking about this recently. When Gibbs came back one of the first things he did was find the best defensive coordinator on the market. And from what I recall, Gregg was involved in the FA targets and at least for that year they nailed it. The defense was mostly good under Gregg and to some extent under Blache. Some thought it was a bit overrated but nonetheless their defense was at least above average for most of that time. I recall having epic debates with Oldfan way back then who said Shanny overreaches his grasp on defense and his poor defenses from Denver will follow him here. I thought he was wrong. But he ended up spot on correct. I liked Jay better than most albeit never loved him. One of my criticisms though was skipping over Phillips for Barry. And I do agree with the criticism that Jay seemed to value comfort over quality when it came to D coordinators. Arguably that cost him his job. Ditto Shanny. As for Gibbs. He and Gregg couldn't be more different personalities, yet he didn't care and hired him because he was the best available. Not that a coordinator is the be all and end all but I do think the Redskins defense over achieved with Gregg and mostly under achieved post Gregg. So I do think coaching will make this defense markedly better. I do think though both Shanny and Jay (Jay as to the passing game not so much running game) were good offensive minds. so I am not sure the coaching on offense will be markedly improved albeit i do like what I've read about Scott Turner thus far. But it still mostly is on Haskins. Vegas seems to be betting against the Redskins which I take them to in effect be betting against Haskins. Personally, I don't know. I lean optimistic. Though I thought at the time the NFL pundits-Vegas were nuts when they predicted an abysmal season last year and in the end they were correct on that. So who knows.
  20. Infighting has 'crushed' the Redskins in the past, but that should change under Ron Rivera By Peter Hailey May 28, 2020 6:45 AM It's already hard to win in the NFL, but that hard task becomes downright grueling when you're beating yourself long before you even get to the stadium. That's a fact the Redskins know all too well by now. Washington has simply been a mess as of late when it comes to being aligned and unified, and during an interview with the Redskins Talk podcast, NFL Network host Dan Hellie attributed their troubles in those areas to one man: Bruce Allen. Allen's inability to allow others to receive credit and have success was a massive problem for the Burgundy and Gold during his tenure, according to Hellie. "The infighting crushed that organization and I’m not just talking about the on the field product," he said. Hellie cited the December 2018 firing of the well-regarded Brian Lafemina, who was brought on to lead the team's marketing and improve its relationship with fans, as a prime example of Allen's major flaw. Lafemina was given just eight months on the job before he was forced out, and that decision summed up just how dysfunctional the Redskins could be with Allen leading the way. "Why do you think that happened?" Hellie said. "It happened because there was a massive power struggle with Bruce Allen." Allen, of course, is no longer with the Redskins. Ron Rivera is now in charge, and with the way the franchise is currently constructed, there's no one standing between him and Dan Snyder. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/infighting-has-crushed-redskins-past-should-change-under-ron-rivera
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    Welcome to the NFL Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I didn't look at Minshew, good catch, I focused on Haskins, Jones, Lock, Murray. I recall some mixed reports about Haskins on the deep ball before the draft. So I dug into it again just now. Found this PFF article which compared him to Sam Bradford. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-dwayne-haskins-isnt-a-finished-product-but-still-possesses-a-valuable-skillset-worth-taking-early-in-the-draft The other part of Haskins’ game that needs improvement is his deep passing, as he was below average in terms of accuracy last season. This isn’t a major concern as deep passing numbers can be driven by wide receiver talent and scheme, so as long as Haskins remains efficient in the short and intermediate range, he can stumble into a few strong years throwing the ball down the field. FINAL WORD Like most starting quarterbacks in the NFL, Haskins is dependent upon his supporting cast in order to get the most out of him. There are 8-10 quarterbacks in the NFL who have separated themselves into the top tier and are most likely capable of carrying a lesser supporting cast, but the next 20 or so quarterbacks are in a much more interchangeable range where the environment around them (receivers, offensive line, play caller) have a much bigger impact on their statistical output. Haskins falls into more of the interchangeable category, whereas Murray has the best chance to crack the top 10. And that’s ok for Haskins, especially when playing on a rookie contract where it’s easier to develop a team around the quarterback. His skillset reminds of Sam Bradford, who has been fantastic at throwing accurately in the short and intermediate ranges while taking good care of the football, but when plays go off schedule or the supporting cast is not one of the league’s best, it’s too much of an ask to get him to carry the team. That’s where Haskins falls in the PFF projections, though there is value in this skillset in today’s NFL, as long as the supporting cast is intact.
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    2021 Comprehensive Draft Thread

    Smith is a keeper IMO but yeah I got concerns about his size/physique. I like players who play big in big games and Smith arguably last year was that guy for Alabama. He arguably was Tua's crutch in tight spots even more so than Jeudy. As for Waddle, I am guessing maybe he steps in the Ruggs role, playing Z? Might be better suited for the slot though in Jeudy's old role. D. Smith mostly played X. Waddle is a burner. Fun watch as a returner. But I admit I need to see it play out for him in a featured role. He's talented so wouldn't surprise me if he plays very well in a more featured role than the past. i want to see how good he is at tracking the deep ball.