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  1. On 1/7/2024 at 8:21 PM, Jumbo said:

    Our last foray into the membership for mid help some years ago netted Martin C., tso, and Destino. All very awesome posters, great people, and great to have on the mod staff... (we miss you @TSO)...


    I’m still here my good friends, Snyder just really took a lot out of me and once Ron was hired and then given total control over player personnel (something he’s never done), coupled with he and Dan blatantly lying during the introductory presser by calling it Coach-centric (a term other teams popularized that more often than not DID NOT mean the HC  has final say over the 90; just that they were hired either before or coinciding with the GM who DOES have final say and got to play a significant role in choosing said GM)… I just knew it was fruitless to even sink a minute of giving a damn into the whole thing. Dan once again proved he did not value organizational structure nor understood basic principles in setting his hires up for success. Why root for Ron and company when I knew he’d just become another target and fall guy for Dan’s idiocy, but even more interestingly, this time it was easier for me to let go because Ron along with Wright represented Dan’s last attempt of justifying his ownership in a way that was unlike previous attempts. 
     

    So, yeah, I didn’t want to stay here being all negative about it and ruining anyone’s desire to hold on to hope, as foolish as I thought that was. 
     

    On top of all that, Dan changed the name and rebranded to something so stupid it actually made me care about something I never even cared about before, lol. Like, I really thought I didn’t care much about the name and that my loyalty was regarding the team’s history, players, locale, etc… far more than anything else, but man, he actually managed to make me feel something about the name from how stupid it was. 😂 Just the way the entire rebrand was handled so cheaply and amateurish, it was a fitting tribute to the damage he wrought over his entire tenure. A nice little cherry on the top. 
     

    So all that just lead to a severe case of apathy on my end. I never stopped caring about ES and many of the posters here who I’ve come to really appreciate and enjoy… but Dan managed to create enough apathy in me it even overcame those feelings, even to my own surprise. 
     

    I really am extremely pleased with the hiring of Peters and the way the entire hiring process has gone thus far. This is the first time since Dan bought the team where we’re getting an organizational structure that sets the franchise up for success. It doesn’t mean it’ll work, but we have a chance now. And, if it doesn’t, you try again and that’s ok. But now we can have hope that’s actually grounded in reality and not absurd probabilities. 
     

    I’m still not 100% back to caring like I used to… it’s been years of this severe apathy and, again, I’m even surprised by it because I thought that all it would take was Dan selling for me to get back into the groove of just being an excited fan again. But, geez, the turn off that occurred definitely wasn’t an easily accessible switch I could turn back on. It was more like an entire power grid getting burnt to the ground. I think I’m getting there, and I’m happy to see some of you even mentioned me here, so that helps, lol. 
     

    Long ass post, too, so there, I’m kinda back! 😂

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  2. 13 hours ago, KDawg said:

    What I love about ES is the rampant escalation:

     

    -Dan is selling!

    -Dan is selling, new owner will be Jeff Bezos!

    -Dan is selling, new owner will be Jeff Bezos, and he’s going to get us a real head coach!

    -Dan is selling, new owner is Bezos, getting a new head coach, and will rebrand the rebrand!

    -All of the above plus sponsor fans on space flights!

    -All of the above, including the space flights + found miracle drug that allows Peyton Manning to come back, play for this franchise 100% healthy and lead us to 14 Super Bowls, one of which will be played in space!


    We can be homers again and feel

     good about it. 
     

     

     

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  3. Why do people think the timing in which Dan fires/doesn’t fire coaches is an indicator of anything significant? 
     

    I mean, honestly, the only thing it really shows is he’s petty, vindictive and cheap since he’d rather punish them while they remain than fire them and have to pay them for nothing… but, yeah, we know those “qualities” about him without having to focus on that, anyway. So, not really important. 
     

    It certainly isn’t an indicator regarding his patience or lack thereof. We see that it’s by far the latter in many other aspects of his ownership, including the way he treats said coaches while they’re here. We only catch a glimpse of it here and there, but time has made the list of things we can point to pretty damn substantial if you really want to know he’s incredibly impatient and toddler-like in his reactionary attitude. We really don’t ever have to get into the timing in which he fires/keeps coaches at all to grasp it, just a few off the top of my head: 

     

    1) Unwarranted interference regarding roster construction from himself, even though he’s proven time and again he’s an absolute moron at it. At first, the utter inexperience he had at it should’ve stopped him, but it didn’t. Now, the absolute disastrous results over the course of two decades to his approach should. But, again, it doesn’t. One can argue dude has zero impulse control just from this alone. 

     

    2) Creating an organization-wide atmosphere of the goal being to win him over as opposed to working together and winning on the field, hence creating a factional/tribal environment with various staff/departments at odds with each other  to prove they’re right and the others are wrong. Because, hey, his ego is number one priority, everyone should be working towards making sure he agrees with them and woe unto them if they’re not. 
     

    3) Hiring unqualified executives that have no business handling resource management/roster construction and sometimes aiding them in opposition to coaches. This is a great indicator of an inability to actually assess what his other consistently successful peers do on this matter, which means he actually believes he’s smarter than all of them.

     

    4) Creating an organizational structure that is vague and easily corruptible, where roles that are supposed to support each other and work together end up undermining one another. Where the hierarchy means little and the subordinate can easily override the qualified authority simply by getting Dan on his side. Similar to number 3 in terms of what this shows regarding his temperament.
     

    5) Over-reacting to every negative outcome as they occur instead of implementing structured processes meant to reduce said negative outcomes. Over-correcting this perceived negative by throwing numbers at it instead of attempting to understand why it occurred in the first place. Because, really guys, the reason it occurred was that he was just unlucky and/or someone he hired sabotaged him for no reason, poor Dan. Just plug it up baby, that’ll do it! 
     

    6) Over-reacting to positive outcomes that were more a matter of the league’s attempt at parity than any sound process properly implemented within the organization, which results in him doubling down on his practice of not implementing sound organizational principles and the aforementioned structured processes. Because, hey look! It worked! He was right all along, damnit! 
     

    7) Just being a general asshole and a stubborn, arrogant monster in most of his relationships with people (as we’ve undoubtedly gathered a ton of evidence indicating such to this point). 
     

    I mean, I can go on, lol. Who gives a crap if he retains coaches for years now. Doesn’t mean anything regarding his patience (and I find it weird anyone even gives enough of a crap to correct others on it, like, really?) For me, the main reason he doesn’t immediately fire them is because of the money; both because he’s cheap and also because he can’t stand the thought of them getting paid while not working for him. He’d rather make their life miserable than do that, that’s much more important. 

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  4. 6 hours ago, KDawg said:


    So, Mr. Breer, was he not at FedEx for the Sean Taylor debacle? My case is rested.

    I think the League PR took lessons from WFT PR. None of these half answers of false statements are easing suspicion 

     

    I don't know if you meant it the way it came across towards Breer, but I felt the same way as you when I first saw this tweet from him. I was thinking he's just being a mouthpiece for them, but I was wrong. He's actually doing a great job reporting on this without bias and even pointing out the holes in their nonsense:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    So, yeah, he's alright with us so far, we can take it easy on him. :ols: 

     

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  5. You know what? I’m going to be positive about this, even if it doesn’t amount to Snyder getting removed.
     

    Because, for me, this has to be really eye-opening for all the other loser owners and Goodell when it comes to Snyder. I don’t think they cared much about him before, but they definitely came to his aid and saved him from what should’ve happened to him as a result of a legitimate investigation. They ensured it wasn’t legitimate by making it tough on Wilkinson (or she was an accomplice, I don’t know) to interview everyone necessary and they made sure it didn’t see the light of day, anyway. 
     

    But here’s the thing.
     

    With the owners already having a disdain for Dan; with the attendance and TV ratings being what they are for what has always been a premier, revenue-generating franchise in the NFL; with the poor trajectory said revenue-generating has been on under Snyder for well over a decade; and now finally this massive amount of heat coming from the friggin government itself ALL BECAUSE OF THIS IDIOT… there’s no way in my mind they’re going to come out of this, no matter what happens, with even the slightest amount of patience with this dude. 
     

    This might not be his end… but I really believe their tolerance for him and his antics after this will be at zero. And knowing how stupid he is, he’ll do something else that’ll be the final straw for them and it won’t take long. 
     

    Again, there’s no way in my mind the Trash Can Club that is the owners and Goodell are sitting there doing anything but being enraged because of and at him right now. I just know they’re so done with him regarding this, I mean, he’s managed to get Congress coming after the NFL. It’s actually hilarious when you think about it. :ols: 
     

    The problem is, they already did too much to save him so now they’re likely thinking they’ve got to see this through and work with him, or else they’re all implicated in this mess. I’m not sure how they throw him to the wolves alone on this without it directly implicating them as accomplices who actively hid his crimes. 
     

    So, yeah, maybe this isn’t it for him. But I don’t think this is our last chance of being rid of him. On the contrary, this should be the biggest key factor in his removal down the road as soon as he slips up even in the slightest. Heck, it might not even need a slip up. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest of the owners band together and lobby for him to sell every day behind closed doors until he does, probably doing all kinds of shady things to mess with him and make his life miserable in the process. 
     

    Or maybe I’m just being too positive and this is just another means for a tyrant to consolidate his power. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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  6. 40 minutes ago, Spearfeather said:

    Right, but again, only one team higher than that.


    Yup, but with an average of about 15% growth for the rest of the league and another team that also hit 20% growth,  I don’t think it’s as significant as you might think. 
     

    I’d love to see the numbers regarding what other instances of rebranding (tough to find the case of a complete name change, but a big uniform change or something) and what happened in terms of growth for those teams. That’d be a good comparison. 

     

    40 minutes ago, Spearfeather said:

    I don't know. We were, for instance,  third in 2015. Fourth in 2017.


    Again, that’s in terms of overall revenue generated if you’re just going off the Forbes’ list. We were, at one point, first or second, so it’s been a steady decline. Not good. 
     

    Sorry if I’m misunderstanding, but are you trying to argue that there isn’t any issue financially with the team and that Dan is doing a good job generating revenue relative to the rest of the league and relative to the starting point he had where we were first or second? Because I highly doubt there’s anything supporting that. I mean, just on a cursory level if we’re looking at the Forbes list alone and seeing other franchises like the Patriots, Giants, Rams and Niners surpass him over time it’d be crazy to come to that conclusion. Add in the decline in attendance and tv ratings and I don’t think anyone can make that argument with a straight face. 
     

    But, hey, maybe I’m wrong and Dan is on the up and up financially with this franchise and the fans continue to wholeheartedly support what is the worst owner in sports. 
     

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  7. 1 hour ago, Rdskns2000 said:

    Once legalized sports betting is everywhere; nfl franchise value could double in value.  Even us.  


    True, but I think the relevance here is regarding the growth of the franchise relative to the rest of the NFL. Washington has always been a premier, top revenue-generating franchise. I get this is difficult to grasp because, in the end, we’re talking about something that’s still generating a boatload of revenue… but anyone looking just a little bit deeper will recognize it could’ve been (and could be) a lot more with just a decent owner running things. 
     

    We have to remove the general growth of the entire NFL due to the TV deals and everything else they share from the picture. That chart said a lot about what Dan has done himself to what was, at one point, the top revenue generating franchise (or 2nd best, I forgot, but I do think we were number one at one point). 

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    So tied with the Rams at 20% growth while the average growth was around 15% for the rest of the NFL. So, yeah, interesting, but I don’t take much from it. I think the name change has helped. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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  8. 1 hour ago, Spearfeather said:

     

     

    Last year, only one team had a higher percentage of value gained than Washington.

     

     

    Not rejecting your claim or anything, but do you have a source for this?
     

    If that’s the case, then I’m going to assume that something with the rebranding may have generated that revenue. 

     

    Still, I wouldn’t take one year as an indication of anything when we have 20 years that show a massive decline. I mean, if you need proof just look at the friggin stadium and the attendance as well as the TV ratings. This thing isn’t going up. 

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  9. 2 minutes ago, Spearfeather said:

     

    As far as that chart ... I wonder if or how much different it would look if they had compared over the last 15 years, or even 10. The chart doesn't include 2020 for example. The teams value rose 20 percent this past year currently making them the fifth most valuable franchise in the league.


    Who knows, but every NFL team is guaranteed growth every year. That chart is showing valuation growth relative to the rest of the league, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t much of a difference.  I’m sure they all grew around that same percentage if that makes sense. 

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  10. 7 hours ago, goskins10 said:


    there was a time when I would absolutely hate this. But at this point if it gets rid of Dan Snyder do what it takes.  

     

    8 hours ago, Catatonic said:


    Good grief, I can’t believe I missed this. The only way I can react to this is 🤢🤮.


    As long as DS isn’t involved, that would be fantastic. 

     

    8 hours ago, Catatonic said:

    It just feels like it’s time for the NFL to close the book on this team staying in DC.  Move it elsewhere, restart it as a new organization with no ties to the past, and just move on.  This **** show can never be fixed.  Those of us who remember the glory days can live with our memories of the good times as if the DS era never happened.  

     

     

    8 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

     

     

    F this team. I hope they lose 74-0.  

     

    12 hours ago, 86 Snyder said:

    Dont know about the rest of you but these recent developments have thrust me back into "**** this team" mode.  And its going to take *a lot* to dig me back out.

     

    6 hours ago, thebluefood said:

    I've been saying: cut our loses for this franchise and give us an expansion team. Start new. 

     

    5 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

    I would second that as of now.

     

    Still, I don't know which city would volunteer to host the **** show this team is nowadays.

    I bet they'd rather have an expansion team than have Dan Snyder coming to town.

     

    The fact that I'm seeing this from the posters on this board I'm seeing it from says so much to me. I mean, like I said just before the season started, I never thought my fandom could end up where it was at, myself. That alone shocked me and still does. My wife still doesn't believe me when she sees me laughing about a loss, she thinks I'm just fronting or something, but it's legit. I'm actually pleased that loser doesn't get to see his team win and doesn't get rewarded for his corruption. He really has destroyed this fanbase. 

     

    On the football field, I knew the moment Ron was introduced and the blatant misinformation regarding the organizational structure was spewed that this would be the same old story. But, of course, that wasn't enough for Dan... I mean, God forbid he just sucks on a football level, right? We got the cheerleader scandal shortly after and everything else that's happened since. He's truly the worst. It's amazing how bad he is. The top fiction writers throughout history couldn't write up a better villain. Like, wow. We should all be thankful that he's the owner of a football team and not an actual ruler of any people... imagine. 😬

     

    The only hope I have is that he continues to have the worst growth in the entire NFL in terms of revenue (see below) and that eventually the other trash can owners themselves turn on him. That's been a big part of why I feel the way I do and why I'm pretty much rooting for them to lose every week (I still do feel bad for the staff and players, but it is what it is). I think the other owners are okay with it for now since Washington still generates a ton of revenue, but at the pace this loser is going, and with even the most hardcore of fans calling it quits (or at least increasing in their apathy) like I see here on ES, I can see Washington becoming bottom tier overall in generated revenue. I just don't see that sitting well with the other owners. I'm still a bit surprised they even accept this and don't see where it's going. What in the world is redeeming about Dan to them!? I mean, that chart doesn't really go into any detail, but the lack of just base line growth for the team under Dan has got to mean a whole lot of money already wasted by him with the potential to be a whole lot more.  

        

     

     

     

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  11. 14 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

    This is a point I recall @thesubmittedone likes to make which is are you ever getting the best out of anyone here?  My contention is no.

     


    Yup. Heck, I even say that not only are we not getting their best, we consistently see any positives they bring to the table diminish pretty quickly and their negatives (of which everyone has, something fans often forget about like these people aren’t human or something) get highlighted. 
     

    To put it simply, we get their worst with time. And it’s inevitable with Snyder. It just is at this point. Focusing on anyone and anything else is just a massive waste of time, and I’m glad more people are seeing it, but the whole “coaching change will make things better” is a marketing gimmick owners/execs have that is just way too enticing to fans to buy into, I’m afraid. The media perpetuates the myth of their impact being everything at the pro level too much and the NFL makes these guys the frontmen of organizations with all the mandatory pressers and everything else. Add to that the difficulty in comprehending sound roster construction and thus resource management in the salary cap era, along with sound organizational principles that create an environment conducive to success… you get what we have.

     

     And Dan has it down really good.  😕 

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  12. 4 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

    Not defending Gruden in all this but the level of shade associated with making this all about him is outrageous.  There is absolutely no way that he’s the only dude in those emails saying this type of stuff.  Why is he the story?  Who did he piss off?


    I’m thinking the same. They’ve had these emails for some time now. Why now? Why him? But worst of all, and as echoed by many already, how the hell does Snyder come out of this clean!? 
     

    Damnit how corrupt these losers are. 

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  13. 1 hour ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

    Sorry, they are collateral damage and they have their owner to thank for it. And we all know I'm not alone in this, this mood is pervasive and probably more common with local residents than people who actually still root passionately for the team. 


    Absolutely spot on. And I know this because if someone told me I would feel the way I do right now just two years ago, if not less, I would’ve said it was impossible, no way. 
     

    Snyder has done to me what I sincerely thought impossible. I’m someone who lived and breathed this team for decades, as were you. I can only imagine there are many, many others who feel the same, if not worse. Unlike us, they just don’t care at all anymore, not even enough to be bothered by any success. They probably never posted on message boards and/or social media as much as us to give a crap about talking about this, either. We can’t stand Snyder to the point that it has affected how we engage with the team itself, something I was able to separate him from in my mind for years. But, yeah, regarding the others this is clearly reflected in how the Stadium has looked in terms of fan participation the last few years as well as the decrease in revenue gained relative to the rest of the NFL. 
     

    Those who are still here will be vocal and enthusiastic, which will make them feel like they’re the majority just by virtue of the environment. And, of course, the always fun “fan labeling” that comes with it where they actually believe they fan better than other fans (much of which makes me ashamed because I see myself and the similar type of fan I used to be in it). 
     

    But there’s no question in my mind Snyder has destroyed a massive portion of this fanbase. What percentage exactly, I don’t know. But it’s significant. I honestly think that if we start winning consistently most of the fans will be new, younger, ones that got attached to the modern branding as well. 
     

    You never know, though. There are certainly quality football people within the organization that you can’t help but root for (as there always were in the past). Maybe our minds get changed. Knowing how I feel now and how I thought that to always be impossible, I won’t count anything out. It’s just… that guy has done so much wrong to so many people I can’t stand the idea that he even gets another chance at success with anyone. Like you said, Wright and Rivera are collateral damage. It’s not their fault, but he’s lost that to me. He doesn’t deserve another reset in the Snyder Cycle, no matter how better revised this version seems (in comparison to other Snyder Cycle resets, not necessarily the NFL in general) on the surface.  
     

    For me, personally, it goes even deeper in that the fans themselves will piss me off to no end if there’s any semblance of success because they’ll be crediting it to some absurd quality of coaching/staff nonsense they have no idea about (even worse Snyder will be credited for “making these great hires”) instead of the fact that Snyder was forced into a situation where his toxicity doesn’t corrupt the entire organization and these hires were able to actually fulfill their roles for a longer period of time than anyone else ever had the luxury of. Yuck. But I know that’s just me, lol. Pretty amazing that Snyder has gotten me to this point. 

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