Califan007

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  1. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Trent didn't really remain silent...he had his surrogates putting out his side for him, Moses and Hall in particular. And I'm not sure how reporting that Trent wanting a new deal being the reason he's holding out is making him look bad...players do it constantly and nobody really bats an eye.
  2. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    What was the misleading information that was leaked before Trent started talking?...NOT speculation, which was rampant. And it was rampant because there was so little info to go on. But leaked info that damaged Trent's rep?
  3. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I also just realized that there have been three different reasons given why Trent is refusing to cooperate with the independent 3rd part review: 1) Doesn't want to relive the pain of the experience and worries about his health records becoming public 2) Doesn't want anyone with the medical staff to lose their jobs and fears that will be the result of the review 3) Doesn't feel the Skins' motives for asking for the review are sincere The fact that he said he'd gladly take part in the review if he believed the Skins weren't wanting to cover their ass pretty much tosses those first two reasons out the window. Because apparently, if the Skins seemed sincere in finding out exactly what happened, he wouldn't give a rat's ass if anyone on the medical staff lost their job. The more reasons he gives for not taking part in the review, the more sketchy it seems that he would decline. And the more sketchy his reasoning becomes, the more questionable his reasons for holding out become. Now that Trent's finally talking, he needs to provide some clarity and consistency to an issue that is wildly in need of both. He's not providing any.
  4. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    But we knew that weeks ago lol...I prefer to try and understand all the new info we are learning about now, regardless of whether or not Allen has already proven himself worthy of termination. For this specific issue, I definitely want to learn "who's at fault" because it deals with people's health and literally their lives. The effect of not trading Trent falls waaaaaay down the priorities list in my view. Again: Trent says the Skins' neglect by the management and medical staff almost lead to his death. Finding out the truth and if anyone is to blame should be priority #1. Nothing else even compares.
  5. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Yeah, but he wasn't...so--and I'm not aiming this towards you but in general since this keeps being said: I'm not exactly sure why continuing to point this out is better than discussing what's going on now and what's being revealed now.
  6. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Man, someone needs to tell Trent to stop talking...he's being reactionary and doing himself no favors. "The Redskins’ request for a third-party investigation into the medical care of the left tackle only further damaged the already fractured relationship between the two sides. The seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle...said the move...only validated his beliefs that he can’t trust his employers. “If I felt like they were genuine, I’d be all for it,” Williams told USA TODAY Sports. “They’re not doing it to find out what went wrong. They’re doing it to cover their butts." The Redskins' reasons for requesting the 3rd party review are one million percent irrelevant. That's the whole point of an independent 3rd-party review, not to mention it's in the CBA that the players' representatives agreed to. I feel like Trent doesn't understand how these 3rd party independent reviews work and what they're meant to achieve, and that the players union who has had his back in all this will be part of the review process. Not to mention, I thought he didn't want to take part in it because he didn't want to relive the experience and feared having his medical records made public. At least that's what tge NFLPA said on his behalf. Now?...Now he's saying he'd gladly take part in the review but he feels the Redskins' motives aren't sincere. No mention of the pain of reliving the experience....no mention of worrying his private medical records will be leaked. ************** "Williams stayed away from the organization for months dating back to spring because he no longer trusts team doctors and officials, he said. He maintains he asked team doctors numerous times in the last six years about a growth on his head and told them he feared that it was cancerous. [...]Williams said in 2016, three years after he claimed he first raised the issue, he asked team doctors to send him to a dermatologist but was again told that the growth was a cyst." That would line up with Casserly's timeline of 3 years ago. However, later he also acknowledges that the doctors DID make appointments for him to see a specialist lol....case in point: "The talk about me missing appointments? I’ll tell you what it was. It was scheduled for a Thursday, and I went on a Friday. I just had gotten it off by a day, one time.” ************** "In 2017, he said, he asked doctors while scheduling knee surgery if they could remove the growth since he would be sedated, but “they said it wasn’t that serious.” The following year, he again asked about the removal of the growth during two separate procedures (one on his thumb and another on his knee), he said, but was told to wait for the offseason." I could very well be wrong here, but I was thinking that when you're going under for surgery, the surgeons don't say "Welp, since he's under anyway what else can we work on?" lol...they may do that when the additional work is in the same location as the surgery--like cleaning up something from a previous surgery in a player's right knee when they're operating on his right knee anyway. But two different types of surgery at two completely different locations on his body?...That might also require two separate surgeons? I don't think that's how it works. But again, I could very well be wrong. There is soooooo much in his interview with Jones that doesn't help him at all--not gonna address it all--but Trent's been shooting himself in the foot a few times since returning to the Skins. Someone needs to point this out to him and come up with a better strategy.
  7. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Quote of the thread right there lol...
  8. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    What exactly did Trent get that he wanted?... Guaranteed money? No. Traded? No. Restructure of his contract? No. Released? No. Privacy about his health and medical issues? No. The rest of his 2019 salary? That's up to the Redskins. And the Skins can still use the NFI status to try and toll his contract, which means he would not get an accrued season for this year. So what exactly did Trent Williams get that he wanted again? Oh, wait...from reading your posts I'm guessing that what Trent actually wanted from all this was for you to make as many immature and asinine jabs at me being in love with Bruce Allen as possible lol. No idea why he would want you to do that, but at least that's one thing he can sleep peacefully about, knowing you're here carrying out his wishes.
  9. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    No clue lol....I'm hoping it doesn't, though.
  10. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I feel like Trent didn't think this through.
  11. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I can only imagine lol... I haven't experienced anything like you have, but I did go through a brief period 10 years ago where a client of mine was afraid that something in our emails might get used against him in an upcoming case. All of a sudden I'm combing through my emails and finding **** that made me go "Oh, damn" lol...Thankfully it never came to that.
  12. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Exactly, exactly, exactly lol... And we're talking about Bruce and Dan here...nobody alive would be surprised by anything said about either of these guys in private emails. Hell, maybe even Callahan since he was Trent's position coach.
  13. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Reposting something from a Sports Illustrated article I posted after Trent's press conference of sorts (my thoughts in burgundy): The Legal Significance of Trent Williams's Health-Related Battle With Redskins The seven-time Pro Bowl offensive tackle doesn't believe Redskins doctors treated him with proper care when facing a serious health issue. "As retold by Williams, Redskins medical staff downplayed the condition as “something minor” and just a “cyst.” His comments also suggest that the team’s medical staff declined to order tests that would have revealed the seriousness of the condition. Williams went on to explain that team medical personnel eventually had the excess skin removed. When the skin was examined, the team learned that the cyst had a cancerous growth. The Redskins then sent Williams to see a specialist. By that point, the growth was “far more advanced.” - In all honesty, I'm baffled as to why Trent is concerned if anyone involved in the above ends up losing their job. But that's just me and how I know I'd be dealing with things. But also and as it's been said by others on this thread, the seriousness of Trent's claims can NOT be emphasized enough. Whether or not Bruce should have traded Trent pales in comparison to what Trent was conveying about the medical staff. It absolutely needs to be looked into and reviewed whether true or not, and no matter the outcome. The Redskins need to conduct interviews and fact-finding It will likely take time for the Redskins to secure records and witness statements to help them better understand how the team interacted with Williams about his health. While Daniel Snyder has owned the Redskins for 20 years, the team has experienced significant turnover in leadership under his watch. [...]In short, there are many persons employed by the Redskins who might have important insight on Williams’s allegations. The team will need to speak with those employees as well as former employees and also locate emails and other relevant records. How were Williams’s annual physicals conducted? Were important and necessary tests ordered? These are the types of questions the Redskins will explore. Redskins officials will not automatically take the word of Williams. While his account might be accurate, he is not a neutral narrator of past events that involved him. Also, what Williams told the media in a brief locker room interview is not a complete record of facts. - I'm wondering if Trent is more concerned with things like emails being discovered and leaked than by his health info being leaked. Williams could sue the Redskins but would face several hurdles Williams could explore the filing of a malpractice lawsuit against the Redskins. He could argue that the Redskins owed him a right to reasonable care, that he received unreasonable care and that he then suffered harm as a result of the team’s failure to satisfy its duties. There would be several hurdles before a lawsuit could succeed. As a starting point, Williams would need to first exhaust his potential remedies under his contract and the CBA. A court will not review a legal controversy until it is “ripe.” This obligates a plaintiff to first try to solve a perceived grievance through private remedies contemplated in contracts. By seeking a review under the CBA, the Redskins have already begun a grievance process. This will need to play out before a court would likely consider any lawsuit by Williams. - Ok, this part could be interesting...by refusing to take part in the independent review, does that mean Trent did NOT "exhaust potential remedies" under his contract and the CBA, and is basically giving up his right to sue? Lastly, if the Redskins employ their medical staff as independent contractors, rather than as employees, Williams would have a more difficult time establishing liability on the part of the team. Although employer liability for independent contractors and employees is a complex topic, generally speaking, employers are not liable for the negligent actions of independent contractors whereas they are liable for such actions by employees, especially when those actions occur within the scope of employment. - I keep thinking someone said the Skins' medical staff is independently run by a contractor and are not team employees. If so, I'm really confused as to what Trent feels Bruce's role in his healthcare would have been. Here's the link for the article: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/11/01/trent-williams-redskins-victim-medical-malpractice?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
  14. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    How many of those people you talk with, though, have also talked with the media about their medical issues and how they almost died because of them and the distrust that has formed as a result? If Trent had kept things to himself I'd be more inclined to your way of thinking...
  15. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    "But consider this: What would Williams gain from a joint committee review of his medical records? Any discipline imposed on Washington would be in the form of a fine, and any disclosure of his medical information would carry with it the very real risk that someone with the team or the league would share, in general or specific terms, information (or misinformation) about the contents of Williams’ chart to NFL Network." We don't know what discipline would be imposed on "upper management" though, because we don't know what it is upper management is supposed to have done. And we can't know that without a 3rd party review of Trent's case. Which he doesn't want. As of right now, nobody has even bothered speculating with any real seriousness exactly what Bruce's role was in Trent's medical issues, if anything. We know what his role is in terms of salary negotiations and trade talks. But what does he do in terms of player health decisions? And as of right now, we've heard three different reasons for Trent not wanting to go through with the 3rd party review: - he doesn't want to relive a painful and frightening experience and just wants to move on with his career (NFLPA) - he doesn't want doctors and the "little people" on the med staff to lose their jobs (WaPo guy) - he doesn't want to chance having his private medical records leaked to NFL Network (Florio) Since NFL players seem to ALWAYS have their medical and health problems discussed publicly (I detailed some of the stuff written just about Alex Smith and his broken leg several pages ago), if I were Trent that third reason given by Florio wouldn't keep me from seeing those who should be held accountable get scrutiny for their actions. And it's not as if Trent hasn't already publicly discussed his bout with cancer and what needed to be done. I'd better understand his reluctance to revisit the episode or fear of having his health issues made public if he had come back to the Redskins and only said "I'm wanting to move on from this and put it in my past, and get on with my career." But as we all know, he said a ****-ton more than that.
  16. Califan007

    2019 Game Day Thread

    Yeah, when you're 1-8 I'd say winning by double digits is probably not something you've done too much lol...
  17. It's almost as if he's looking right at the 1st down marker as he slides lol...
  18. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    you know, I just realized I never said that I generally agree with you on this lol...but I do. In all my prior posts on this before Trent came back I always said as long as he eventually gets traded for good return or everything gets worked out and he keeps playing for the Skins, I'm fine with this soap opera nonsense we fans and media members insist on taking part in. I never imagined Trent holding the type of interview he did and saying the stuff he said...at least not immediately upon return. Figured something like that would be a sit-down interview in the offseason.
  19. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I think a percentage of it is due to feeling let down and disappointed by Trent. Fans get hateful when a player simply doesn't play as well as expected. This goes beyond that. Also, it's unfortunate but Trent's version of events (so far) hasn't really added up to a cohesive, understandable story to a lot of people. His holdout obviously hurt the team and fans will definitely hold that against players. But fans also tend to be forgiving when the reasons for the holdout are crystal clear and understandable, even if they dn't agree with them. Trent did a lousy job of trying to give fans clarity in that regard (which I'm guessing wasn't his goal anyway), raising more questions in the process while leaving others still unanswered. And the mixed messages Trent has been sending are hard to ignore, and start turning perspectives towards him as being disingenuousness at the very least. And fans hate fake. Add to the mix different bits and pieces of info that seem to contradict Trent's version of events--things that can't simply be written off as some sort of smear campaign by Bruce and Dan--and it leaves some fans feeling volatile. Plus, there isn't much of an argument as to why Trent (or any player, actually) should be spared blame or criticism by fans, even the ones who go overboard in how they express it--which I agree can be head-shakingly negative at times. But "He's our best player" is hardly a logical argument for really anything in all of this outside of salary. But finally, to something @mistertim touched on, this isn't an either/or situation...we really shouldn't be trying to take side in this, which I've seen way too many make that argument ("how can you take the front office's side over our best player?!"). There is more than enough criticism to go around. In the middle of a 1-8 season and a 2-14 stretch starting last season when Smith broke his leg, most fans would love to have something positive to latch onto. Trent's interview gave fans the exact opposite, so they're pissed off that he seemed to take a bad situation and made it worse. Some fans are pissed at Bruce for not seeing this possible outcome and trading him while he had the chance in order to avoid a ****storm and gain a draft pick or two in the process. Others blame Trent for dropping accusations he couldn't back up into the middle of all the losing and then backing away from them with the "just wants to move on with his career" statement from the NFLPA. Some blame both equally. But this was already a situation of building fan hostility with the team to begin with, and Trent tossed a can of gasoline onto the fire and then kinda walked away.
  20. Can't say I blame ya lol...
  21. Oh, you'll regret it, alright lol...
  22. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    A. True. B. True. C. True, although you'd have them chiming in behind the scenes and beat reporters telling us what their sources are claiming they said...or you'd have Moses talking about it during his radio spots or just off the cuff to reporters or mentioning it in their tweets or "liking" some post by Trent that is a jab at the Skins... D. Would definitely have the Bruce subplot...that's ongoing no matter what. Just a simple "Next question" to any reporter when asked about his feelings towards the front office would keep it alive. And Trent would probably have a national writer do an interview with him for SI or ESPN, and we'd get to read all sorts of stuff to fuel the fire and keep it burning. Hell, we got that with Su'a Cravens lol...nice lengthy article a centered around his time with the Redskins. Think Trent Williams and his near-death cancer scare botched by the Redskins wouldn't garner a lengthy article as well? E. Who's to say we wouldn't have it with someone else coming up, though? Salary and contract debates are always ongoing, everywhere around the NFL. Plus, not a fan of trading a valuable player in order to not have a debate about salaries. F. True. It would be replaced with something else, but true. G. It would if he was unwilling to cooperate with the investigation and the NFLPA still felt the need to show its members that they have their backs by pontificating about the Redskins putting out false narratives against their player. H. That shouldn't bother anyone... But again, here is what I was responding to: the idea that trading Trent would have ended all the drama: "If he was on a different team or simply released by now he probably wouldn't have gone public like that. And even if he did, it would be an ex-player bashing his former team, which isn't really much of a story beyond Redskins' nation. His public statement would more be like, "Im ready to move on and win football games for the _________" And let me an an "I" to the list lol...does anyone think any player on the Skins' roster will consider holding out anytime in the near future? lol...so we avoid going through this again in a year or two, unless Bruce quits tomorrow and is replaced with Jim Zorn lol...
  23. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I didn't read or see your post when I posted...I only read the one above mine lol... And I'm firm in the belief that when a player makes as serious an accusation as Trent did, it would in no way be one episode simply because he's on another team. He says what he said while on another team, and the investigation is still going forward, which means the Netflix series has been picked up for another season. If Trent can't play for his new team because of soreness on his head reasulting from something he's blaming on the Redskins, that nugget is gonna keep the drama alive no matter what.
  24. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    No matter what had been done with Trent he was gonna talk. Trading him wouldn't have kept this from becoming drama for the Redskins. When an elite player claims his old team almost lead to his death due to their neglectful actions or non-actions, there is no way in hell the media is gonna say "Oh, well, he's on another team now so not that big a deal." That claim by Trent trumps every single thing that either side has done or could have done. That is one massive proclamation to make about any organization or medical staff. Nothing else in this entire fiasco comes close. And the Skins would have still responded the way have now--by requesting a 3rd party conduct an investigation. And if Trent is willing to speak up while still on the team, how willing do you think he would be if he were with the Titans or Texans? Does anyone think nobody in the press would ask him to elaborate on why he held out and what were the medical issues he was having a problem with? Especially if word got out that he had soreness from trying on his helmet--everyone already knew he had surgery on his scalp to remove a cancerous mass. The helmet soreness issue alone would have propelled a ton of questions for both Trent and the Redskins, and if Trent has been feeling that his reputation was taking a hit while he remained silent with the team, imagine how he would feel once he determines he has more freedom to talk? There have been ex-players who have spoken out about the team over things that were far, FAR more insignificant. And by the way, where was all the HIPAA law concerns when report after report came out about Alex Smith's infections in his leg? His representative/agent/whoever even asked the public to respect his privacy when it came out...there wasn't balled-up fists by people claiming someone must have broken the law for this to have been known...I mean look at this **** here lol: "More on #Redskins QB Alex Smith: He’s had several procedures, sources say, and @MikeGarafolo adds they are removing tissue to clear the infection. Smith still approaches this with optimism about playing. Note: His hospital room was next to Colt McCoy’s during McCoy’s 1-night stay" "#Redskins QB Alex Smith is battling an infection related to the surgery he had on his broken fibula and tibia, sources say. It’s premature to say what this means for his playing future. But it is being handled with care and dealt with seriously by doctors." "My curiosity about Alex Smith's silence evoked a tip, which prompted some research, which yielded more info, which feels solid. I'm told Smith indeed still in hospital with post-op infection. Will likely require re-intervention, incl possibly "partial reconstruction." In comparison, Casserly only said Trent skipped his doctor appointments lol...where was all this talk of possible crimes back then? EDIT: Turns out it was the Redskins who requested everyone respect Smith's privacy in terms of his health lol...oh, the irony.