Califan007

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  1. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Why this part in bold seems to continually be lost on people baffles me.
  2. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Have you heard/read his interviews? He is in NO WAY treating the med staff's misdiagnosis as "**** like this happens all around the league". The damage he is doing (or attempting to do) to the reputation of the Skins medical staff should beg anyone to ask why he isn't doing more. When his teammates are heard saying 'Preach" in the background while he's talking about how the team's misdiagnosis almost cost him his life, you can be damn sure they aren't thinking "Yeah, but you know, it happens, that's life." I am somewhat surprised by the desire to minimize the reality of what Trent is claiming and putting out there about how the Redskins approach and mistreat the health of its players so that the focus will stay on message: "See, Bruce needs to go." Just a thought: if the Inova medical staff is indeed its own entity as an independent contractor and not employees of the Redskins, what if Inova decides to sue Williams for slander? I'm guessing that would also be blamed on Bruce for not trading Trent...and the seriousness of what Trent is doing and saying would still be minimized and the lawsuit would just be another thing to throw on the "oh well, **** happens" pile. And it's the driving force behind why there's a Trent vs Bruce to begin with. So it's hardly a sideshow.
  3. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I'm not talking about whether or not Bruce is a good GM and should be kept on or fired. If I was, I would have posted that in the Bruce Allen thread. This thread is about Trent Williams, his hold out, why he held out, why he demanded a trade, all the stuff he's been saying in his recent interviews, and what roles (if any) Bruce, Dan, and the medical staff played in what went down since February. And it's sad and scary that anyone would think the "stuff about the medical staff" is nothing but a sideshow.
  4. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I suspect the pendulum will be swinging the other way before long...tomorrow, next week, next month. I don't think too many here have done this, but I'd caution convincing yourself you know all you need to know to reach any conclusions. This thing will swing back and forth for a while as new info keeps coming to the surface. Always does.
  5. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    The only thing from Trent's version of events that I think might start to tread towards dishonesty is the ever-changing list of reasons he's been giving for not wanting to take part in the independent 3rd-party investigation. But I've also considered that maybe all of those reasons he's given so far might all be true, but he should have said all of them at the same time lol...would be better if the NFLPA's statement said "Mr. Williams does not want to relive a painful episode in his life and risk having his medical records made public. As well as, he feels that the result of the investigation would not target all the people who need to be held accountable. Further, he has doubts the results from the investigation would lead to any real, beneficial changes. If these things were different and were the light at the end of the tunnel, Mr. Williams would gladly take part in the investigation. " As it stands now, though, it comes across as at first he and the NFLPA thought playing on sympathies and fears of HIPAA laws being violated would be more than enough to sedate the part of the public who cares about this. Then they added in more...then added in a little more...and then a little more, still lol...it comes off as spontaneous where it should be consistent. (*wondering if anyone will say I should do pro bono work for Trent since my statement is superior to that dreck the NFLPA tossed out there lol)
  6. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    That part in bold is absolutely not true. There's a specific reason I word my posts in the way I word them, and I always word things so that it's obvious I'm not talking about everyone who thinks Bruce screwed up. I'll say "some" people or " a segment of the fanbase" or that I'm only talking about if someone says (fill in the blank) then by default it means (fill in the blank), meaning if you didn't say that I'm not talking about you lol...hell, I've even made sure to tell some I've responded to that my words are not aimed at them. And I agree, it's hard to guess and I'm fine telling myself that even though he's talking like mad now it doesn't mean things have been made clear by what he's said. I even said maybe he's just not the best one to speak off the cuff and should regroup and approach this in a better fashion because he's contradicting himself in a lot of ways from one interview to the next. At this very moment I still don't know how he feels about the medical staff lol...
  7. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    If I had to try and guess--and so far I haven't been able to reach any type of conclusion--I would say that Trent has been in pursuit of several things at several points along his timeline, and they've all become jumbled up along the way. Add to that Bruce's....let's say, personality and decisions--have rubbed him raw. He sees twitter (and hell, maybe even this board) claiming he's using his health scare as an excuse to get more money and assumes a smear job is being orchestrated by the team, even if it's not the case. Since perception=reality, it hardly matters either way to him. Trent has said several different things over the past week that definitely point to money being at least a good part of why he held out and wanted to traded...a smear job wasn't necessary, just a fanbase and beat writers who live and die from one hot take to another and speculate like nobody's business. And he's also been a ball of different strong emotions along the way that have effected how he perceives things, and that sometimes causes you to see things in a less-than-accurate manner. The only role I think the media plays in all of this is a willing partner in search of clicks. At least the ones doing the interviews. It would be considered bad form/crass to question someone over a cancer scare, so no, nobody's gonna say "Wait, did the doctors tell you the cancer made it's way to your brain or did they say it was weeks away from penetrating your skull?"...No interviewer is gonna say "Aren't you afraid that by not taking part in the investigation you are putting others' health at risk?"...You don't ask questions like that, and even if you could these guys have no desire to piss off Trent and have their access to him cut off. He's topic #1 for the Skins' fanbase. If he wants to say things that contradict his earlier statements or that don't make much sense, pfft...hardly matters, they aren't investigating anything in their eyes, they're just being a friendly avenue for a wildly popular athlete to get his story out. So there's no grand manipulation of the media, they know exactly what they're doing.
  8. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I said it's "like some are thinking" that way, not that anyone actually said this stuff. But whenever anyone says they don't care whether or not Trent is good or bad or lying or telling the truth or takes part in the investigation or blows it off completely because all that matters is that Bruce blew it again and has ruined the franchise, they are by default also saying that all the ramifications of Trent lying or not taking part in the investigation don't matter, we should only care about the fact that Bruce has ruined our favorite team. I abso-effin-lutely do not see it that way...his allegations are insanely serious, yet are being downplayed in the service of agendas by some. And if Trent only stuck to saying he has no reason to want to take part in the investigation I wouldn't be saying half the **** I've been saying. But like I said earlier, if Trent's reasoning behind his actions appears sketchy, it makes his version of events less credible and points a spotlight on other aspects of his story that aren't quite gelling. He appears on a slash and burn tour right now and no doubt there are those who are cheering him on regardless of whether or not what he's saying makes sense or is even true. Those people tend to think there are sides to take in all of this. I don't. But right now, Trent is the only one giving interviews and trying to express his reasoning behind his actions and his perceptions, and unfortunately, a helluva lot makes sense when you think about it even just a little. Joke all you want, but I guarantee you that if you ever found yourself on trial for something, you would sell your left testicle to make sure I was on your jury lol,,, EDIT: That should have said "a helluva lot makes NO sense when you think about it even a little" lol...but for some reason when quoting someone lately it disables the edit feature o some of my posts. I blame the medical staff.
  9. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Definitely lol (the part in bold)...it all puts everything in context, something that quote failed to do. Kinda treated each player as being in the same exact situation, it's just that the Skins decided not to pay Trent because, well, you readers fill in the blank yourselves. I also think there's more to "win" in not paying Trent than just the staring/pissing contest in Allen's eyes. The team gets more money and more cap space to use. And I'm in no way knowledgeable on this, but if they paid him would that mean he automatically gets this season accrued? I said weeks ago that the most positive outcome barring some team throwing high draft picks at Bruce would be Trent holding out all year and going into the offseason with 2 years still left on his contract. He'd be healthier than if he played, and whoever trades for him will have him for 2 years instead of 1, and with low guarantees. So in a way, this appears to be happening, only at Bruce and Dan's prerogative instead of at Trent's. But again, have no idea if that's true or not.
  10. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Does everything in this have to be filtered through a Bruce lens?...it's like some are thinking "I don't give a **** if Trent made it all up...I don't give a **** if Trent's actions put the health of others in danger...I don't give a **** if Trent's allegations cost innocent people their livelihoods and their reputations. If it can be used in any way against Bruce, that's all that matters."
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    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I haven't been following the other players so I don't know their stories, but right now I'm assuming that Pierre-Paul and Okung did not hold out, didn't give an interview claiming their teams almost cost them their lives through negligence and mismanagement, request a trade, or let it be known that they would never play for their current teams again. I mean, those things could play a role in how each team approaches things.
  12. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Also, one other thing; from Trent's account of things, the prognosis and type of surgery aren't quite consistent. in this latest interview he says: "When the diagnosis was grave and they told me that they need to cut my brain and I didn't have long to live..." But then there's this from another earlier interview: "Williams said he was told the cancer cells were weeks away from penetrating his skull." So does this mean the doctors told him the cancer cells had not penetrated his skull yet and that they'd need to cut away part of his brain? I'm in no way a doctor but it seems like if it hasn't penetrated his skull yet then it also means they don't have to cut away any of his brain. I have no idea how much of this is Trent trying to quote them verbatim and how much of this is hyperbole in order to get a point across...or maybe he meant "skull" and said "brain" instead... If he's gonna talk about his health issues to the press and talk about what doctors have told him in their prognosis, he needs to be as accurate as possible. There are others who have the same type of cancer he experienced and his being a public figure can help others understand the dangers, risks, non-risks, and various things that can be done and that should be looked for when dealing with this health issue. It doesn't seem as if he considered this aspect. He just wants to publicly vent and explain things as he sees it after remaining quiet all this time. Understandable, but he's going about it in the wrong way. Right now he's mostly a click-generator.
  13. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    That's an incredibly selfish quote. He doesn't care if the Skins' medical staff and practices endanger other current and future players on the team, he only cares if it helps him. And this now makes 4 separate explanations as to why Trent did not agree to the 3rd party investigation.
  14. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    i'll say it again; Trent would be better served to not go on this interview spree right now. He should powwow with his agent and handlers, figure out what story he wants to convey, and then practice sticking to it. When you do it off the cuff you can contradict earlier off the cuff remarks without realizing it. Plus, it takes a certain type of talent to word and phrase your thoughts on the fly in a cohesive and consistent manner. It's not easy at all to do. For instance, he says this: "...when the doctors told me in February that I didn’t have long to live, that **** didn’t matter. It wasn’t about money no more. [...]I was just looking for a new beginning. To put this behind me and kinda find a new home..." But also... "Williams doesn’t deny that he asked for a contract extension early this offseason." Doesn't say when "early in the offseason" is, but if Trent is to be believed, it means he asked for the extension in early February at the very latest. But still, he says after talking with the doctors and before his surgery--meaning in February--he decided money was not an issue anymore. The only thing that mattered was getting away from the Skins and having a "new beginning" in a "new home". So why wait until June to ask for a trade? If he brought up the extension after his surgery, then the whole "money didn't matter anymore since February" dialog pretty much gets flushed down the toilet. But yet still, he said this; "I felt like things could have been resolved, but then the Redskins resorted to the blame game,” So...even after surgery and deciding he didn't' care about money, and that he wanted to be on another team, he says things still could have been resolved...but then he felt the Skins conducted a "blame game" and decided nope My first thought was: What would have resolved it if not money? Since Trent claims it had not been about money anymore since February...and apparently he was asked who should be fired and he said he didn't want to cost anyone their job...what else would have resolved the issue? Any "blame game" would not have started in February. There was nothing TO blame him for until he began his hold out. This means that, in the time between February and his holdout, Trent says things still could have been resolved. But apparently not with money or by firing anyone. Then how? It doesn't appear that Hoffman asked him.
  15. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Seriously? lol.... You are basically saying I should believe you over Deangelo Hall's quotes about talking directly to Trent. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't take Hall at his word on whether or not he spoke to Trent. That's the only way he knows how to communicate lol... For some reason, I take up residence in the heads of a few ESers here. Surprised Peregrine hasn't asked me to pay half his utilities yet.
  16. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    The "minor procedure" was probably in reference to his 2nd surgery. I can't find any mention of the initial surgery being described as minor. I did find this: “I think where the frustration might lie is in the timing of a diagnosis; maybe he wished the diagnosis had come a little sooner,” Gruden said. “That’s my understanding.” Gruden was responding to a CBS Sports report that said Williams has told teammates he was not happy about the way the team’s medical staff had handled “a recent medical situation” and “has demanded a trade or his release from the club” adding that Williams has “vowed not to play for them.” Gruden confirmed that the medical issue involved the procedure done on Williams’ head. The team has not addressed the issue, saying only it was an operation done on his scalp. One person close to Williams, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said the surgery was “a scare for Williams.” Williams has said through social media posts that he does not have cancer." *************** And again, saying it was about money--not sure how that's a black eye on Trent, plus Trent brought up the money himself during last week's interview and acknowledged that he also brought up guarantees (or an extension, one or the other) before his surgery took place. When asked if Hall has talked to Trent, he replied: “I have talked to him. He’s in a good place mentally, and he’s prepared to figure this thing out” Hall was also asked if this was a contract thing: “It’s not a contract thing and that’s what I asked him. And I’m sure he won’t mind me saying this - (Hall asks)hey Trent, what’s the end game? And, It’s not about money. Will money help ease things a little bit; maybe so, but this is not strictly a financial situation.” *************** I'm not assuming anything.
  17. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Really? So Hall only talked to Trent once, and after he "blabbed" Trent clammed up? Is that what you're saying? Because if so, there's a lot of evidence to the contrary.
  18. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    He didn't want them "blabbing"...yet even after they blabbed Hall still went back and talked to him for info and Trent obliged and Hall "blabbed" again.
  19. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Trent didn't really remain silent...he had his surrogates putting out his side for him, Moses and Hall in particular. And I'm not sure how reporting that Trent wanting a new deal being the reason he's holding out is making him look bad...players do it constantly and nobody really bats an eye.
  20. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    What was the misleading information that was leaked before Trent started talking?...NOT speculation, which was rampant. And it was rampant because there was so little info to go on. But leaked info that damaged Trent's rep?
  21. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    I also just realized that there have been three different reasons given why Trent is refusing to cooperate with the independent 3rd part review: 1) Doesn't want to relive the pain of the experience and worries about his health records becoming public 2) Doesn't want anyone with the medical staff to lose their jobs and fears that will be the result of the review 3) Doesn't feel the Skins' motives for asking for the review are sincere The fact that he said he'd gladly take part in the review if he believed the Skins weren't wanting to cover their ass pretty much tosses those first two reasons out the window. Because apparently, if the Skins seemed sincere in finding out exactly what happened, he wouldn't give a rat's ass if anyone on the medical staff lost their job. The more reasons he gives for not taking part in the review, the more sketchy it seems that he would decline. And the more sketchy his reasoning becomes, the more questionable his reasons for holding out become. Now that Trent's finally talking, he needs to provide some clarity and consistency to an issue that is wildly in need of both. He's not providing any.
  22. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    But we knew that weeks ago lol...I prefer to try and understand all the new info we are learning about now, regardless of whether or not Allen has already proven himself worthy of termination. For this specific issue, I definitely want to learn "who's at fault" because it deals with people's health and literally their lives. The effect of not trading Trent falls waaaaaay down the priorities list in my view. Again: Trent says the Skins' neglect by the management and medical staff almost lead to his death. Finding out the truth and if anyone is to blame should be priority #1. Nothing else even compares.
  23. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Yeah, but he wasn't...so--and I'm not aiming this towards you but in general since this keeps being said: I'm not exactly sure why continuing to point this out is better than discussing what's going on now and what's being revealed now.
  24. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Man, someone needs to tell Trent to stop talking...he's being reactionary and doing himself no favors. "The Redskins’ request for a third-party investigation into the medical care of the left tackle only further damaged the already fractured relationship between the two sides. The seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle...said the move...only validated his beliefs that he can’t trust his employers. “If I felt like they were genuine, I’d be all for it,” Williams told USA TODAY Sports. “They’re not doing it to find out what went wrong. They’re doing it to cover their butts." The Redskins' reasons for requesting the 3rd party review are one million percent irrelevant. That's the whole point of an independent 3rd-party review, not to mention it's in the CBA that the players' representatives agreed to. I feel like Trent doesn't understand how these 3rd party independent reviews work and what they're meant to achieve, and that the players union who has had his back in all this will be part of the review process. Not to mention, I thought he didn't want to take part in it because he didn't want to relive the experience and feared having his medical records made public. At least that's what tge NFLPA said on his behalf. Now?...Now he's saying he'd gladly take part in the review but he feels the Redskins' motives aren't sincere. No mention of the pain of reliving the experience....no mention of worrying his private medical records will be leaked. ************** "Williams stayed away from the organization for months dating back to spring because he no longer trusts team doctors and officials, he said. He maintains he asked team doctors numerous times in the last six years about a growth on his head and told them he feared that it was cancerous. [...]Williams said in 2016, three years after he claimed he first raised the issue, he asked team doctors to send him to a dermatologist but was again told that the growth was a cyst." That would line up with Casserly's timeline of 3 years ago. However, later he also acknowledges that the doctors DID make appointments for him to see a specialist lol....case in point: "The talk about me missing appointments? I’ll tell you what it was. It was scheduled for a Thursday, and I went on a Friday. I just had gotten it off by a day, one time.” ************** "In 2017, he said, he asked doctors while scheduling knee surgery if they could remove the growth since he would be sedated, but “they said it wasn’t that serious.” The following year, he again asked about the removal of the growth during two separate procedures (one on his thumb and another on his knee), he said, but was told to wait for the offseason." I could very well be wrong here, but I was thinking that when you're going under for surgery, the surgeons don't say "Welp, since he's under anyway what else can we work on?" lol...they may do that when the additional work is in the same location as the surgery--like cleaning up something from a previous surgery in a player's right knee when they're operating on his right knee anyway. But two different types of surgery at two completely different locations on his body?...That might also require two separate surgeons? I don't think that's how it works. But again, I could very well be wrong. There is soooooo much in his interview with Jones that doesn't help him at all--not gonna address it all--but Trent's been shooting himself in the foot a few times since returning to the Skins. Someone needs to point this out to him and come up with a better strategy.
  25. Califan007

    !!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

    Quote of the thread right there lol...