method man

13 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Ehhh....na I wouldn't. I'm fine sitting at 36 and taking whoever the best is left between Saumatia, Amigadje etc. I don't think there is THAT much of a difference.

 

The only T I'd trade 36 and 67 for would be Fashanu if he fell(or Fuaga but no chance).

You could move up for Mims and then trade back from #40 to a little later in rd 2 and add a 4th and still get whoever is left between Amegadjie, Suamataia and Fisher in the 2nd. I would absolutely double dip on this OT class given Wylie is a very temporary bandaid at RT

5 hours ago, FlyBigBeard said:

Thanks for the info/heads up Xavier , now we jump into first round at #32 and take him haha 👍 

No surprise. He must remind Canales of DK who he had in Seattle when he was their PGC

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Mims is the home run swing to end all home run swings at T. If he hits you're getting Trent Williams 2.0. But man is it a massive risk. 

I think if you can get him for a 2nd and 3rd, you kind of have to go up and get him

2 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

Or he has been fed info and is helping the team by claiming him the best in the draft. Regardless. I think the decision has been made at this point. Just too many people saying the same thing to ignore it anymore. I am fine with it being Daniels. Watching him run is going to be awesome.

He doesn’t work for the team or keep up with any of the hype. He is fairly checked out. Watched a bunch of tape past few weeks to land on these rankings

26 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

In recent weeks I've seen a ton of guys argue that they are the best top 3 since '14, Scott Barrett poo poo'd the idea, he see's it as similar to '22, but I don't think the top of '22 was really close to these guys. I don't think Odunze is w/them, I think Nabers had one of those metrics based god mode years like Chase in '19, MHJR is just considered one of the best prospects ever and Odunze seems more like a guy whose typically the top WR in a really good class, like Garrett Wilson, which makes it the best top end I've ever seen or at least since like '96 and '14. 

Odunze belongs with those two because the X receiver position he plays is very hard to find. He is a better prospect than Wilson and London from 22

11 minutes ago, Hooper said:

JLC might be the most annoying NFL insider, but it's stuff like this and what Keim seems to be hearing that make me think JJ not Maye is the other option than Daniels.

 

But really his first quote says it all. NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/04/19/nfl-draft-first-round-picks/

 

“Never seen anything like it,” said a high-ranking official with one team that will be selecting a quarterback in the first round. “If anybody tells you they know how this is going to play out, they are full of s---.”

 

“Drake Maye is the biggest wild card in all of this,” said the general manager of a team that has done significant work on quarterbacks. “Some guys love him and think he could end up the best QB in this class, and some legitimately think he’s a mid-round pick.”

 

 

Two general managers told me they believe that if the Washington Commanders let the analytics guide them, McCarthy is their guess for the No. 2 pick. If the team’s coaches hold significant sway and offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury’s voice resonates, then Daniels would be the selection. Both general managers also believe Daniels would love to be a Raider.

Meanwhile, the closer we get to the draft, the more people I speak to expect the New England Patriots to keep the third overall pick and use it on a passer — and McCarthy is held in very high regard in New England.

I absolutely buy this. I think their board is: Daniels #1 JJ #2 and Maye #3

5 hours ago, PlayAction said:

 

Rome wasn't built in a day and OT, WR and CB are all, arguably, "needs" just like EDGE and TE. So, we should take advantage of the quality available at these positions instead of reaching for for EDGE or TE.  Still, I want to be excited about the picks in the first 100 - no more of the "what the heck" or "he must have a plan because I don't see it".    

This is where I am at too and I think they’ve set themselves up well to go BPA vs need except for a LT. I think we will have a decent sense of the quality of draft they will have walked away with instantly 

6 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

this is the day 3 guy we could be keen on…

• Javontae Jean-Baptiste, EDGE, Notre Dame

Talked to him over FaceTime for a few minutes. Nice kid

12 hours ago, seantaylor=god said:

This is a fair point but the other side of that is if that’s the type of DE we want and our plan is to generate pass rush from LBs than wouldn’t you want guys to fit that vision who are younger, cheaper, and better upside than Armstrong, Ferrell, and Obada? It’s drafting for 1-2 years down the line.

Well you’ve already paid Armstrong big money to be a starter. I am absolutely fine punting on weaker positions in this class like EDGE and TE until next year and focusing and doubling down on deeper positions like OT, WR and CB instead

4 hours ago, DWinzit said:

I think Peters will want to hold at 36 expecting a value faller then look to trade out at 40 for a later 2nd and more picks.

 

The main faller I will be keeping an eye on is D Robinson.

 

There's a lot of like surrounding Jordan Morgan. It leads to this question:

If Jordan Morgan does fall to 36, are we better taking him or holding off and taking Paul. Kiran or Sumataia or someone else later.

The issue I have with D Robinson is isn’t he just the same type of DE we have three times over already in Armstrong, Ferrell and Obada? If we get a DE, I’d rather try to get the explosive type who can win quick

6 minutes ago, DiscoBob said:

 

There's also no proof that it isn't true.  And no, our draft record during his tenure doesn't count unless we know exactly which picks he made vs others in the organization, and then compare those hit rates to his peers.  Something I'm unwilling to spend the time doing!

 

My point is simple - an ex-player, long time coach is better equipped to evaluate prospects than a bunch of internet fans or amateur scouts.  Maybe not 100% of the time, but very close.

 

To say otherwise is pretty clearly a personal bias, likely due to his coaching success here.

 

 

 

What’s funny is that one of Jay’s best skills was player evaluation. Ioannidis and Holcomb were his finds as examples.

I don’t put Haskins on him at all - clearly didn’t want him. He didn’t want Alex Smith either. The only time he got to “pick” his QB was when he named Kirk starter over RG3 and Colt

1 hour ago, DWinzit said:

if we were to draft Patrick Paul, how awkward would it be for the DQ to cut his brother?

To the practice squad Chris goes

13 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

We can say that Harrison is an amazing prospect, while also saying Nabers is an amazing prospect. Having Harrison at WR2 might not be a knock on Harrison, but simply a credit to Nabers also being at that level.

 

In the past 10 drafts, the only two WR's that I think are as good prospects as Harrison and Nabers are 2014 Amari Cooper and 2021 Jamarr Chase. Just 2 guys in 10 years at that level makes it rare. Even rarer is that 2024 somehow has 2 other guys at that level too. It's a unique draft.

I have Odunze too in this top 5 group with Cooper and Chase. My fantasy is moving up to get him if he is at the ATL pick. Don’t overthink it with him either - no weaknesses in his game. He is going to light it up next year if he gets to pair with Kirk

6 hours ago, RWJ said:

PA, it's a tough call.  Yes, IF we could land FASHANU by giving up our #36 and #40, I'd do it. Morgan will be a OG in the NFL due to his arm length.  FASHANU is a excellent pass blocker but needs to work on run blocking.  We need bookend OTs.  Rosengartnen could be had in the 3rd at RT.  Got to protect our QB.  

I’d be annoyed with that unless we got a 3rd back

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Ladd is tough for me to pass on.  If I had to pick one guy in this draft that would be tops on my guys list it would be Ladd, he was one of my early draft crushes.  His floor is high IMO and ceiling is plenty high enough.  Then you add all the intangibles which remind me some of Terry.

 

As far as high floor Wrs, I got a lot of faith though in Pearsall, R. Wilson.  Burton would be on that list with me too if his character checks out.

 

But especially if we take Maye, McConkey seems so tailor made.  He's the type who if he played for McVay would catch 100 balls assuming he stays healthy.  But I don't think Pearsall and Wilson who have similar style to their play are a mile away.  In short, I'd kill for one of those three and that goes double if we took Maye.

 

Otherwise if we wait to the 3rd-4th -- Thrash, Burton (if he falls), McMllian, Polk, Johnny Wilson.  I think McMillian might be the safest in that mix.  But I like the others upside more.  Johnny Wilson I go back and forth on.  But there was one draftnik who made a good point that look at him as a hybrid WR-F TE type.  

If they take JD, a Pearsall or Wilson may make some sense given the built in chemistry they have with JD after having played with him at AZ St. Can’t hurt to give a rookie receiver someone they already know well

4 hours ago, mhd24 said:

Right now if Kool-Aid isn't there at 36, I'm almost of the opinion that we should trade down.  This draft is so deep at WR and day 2 RT types (Paul, Rosengarten, Fisher, etc) that we could still get one after trading down.  Arizona made a fantastic trade last year trading #33 for 41+72+future 3rd rounder from the Titans who took Levis.  If Nix or Penix are there at 36/40, we could make a killing trading down.  Considering the depth in this year's class, Carolina (whom is locked into taking a WR with either of their 2nd rounders) should do a similar trade down). 

 

Here are some examples of trades from last year in our range.

 

1). In 2023, Vegas traded 38+141 for 35 (Carolina has similar picks if they want to do something like that this year)

2). In 2023, Indy traded 38 for 44+110

Great research. I am kind of tempted to do the same unless there is another first round caliber guy we like who falls. We don't have a pick in the 4th now and, if you look at the mocks, there will almost assuredly be some intriguing talents who will be available in the early to mid 4th. Alternatively, I would also be up for stockpiling picks in 2025 and would take a 3rd next year.

There is a play here where you could use 36 and 40 on non OTs and trade 2 3rds to move back into the second to have 3rd 2nd round pick to work with. 
 

It’d be very hard to say no to Kool Aid if he is available at 36

On 4/4/2024 at 6:03 PM, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Freakish ability, I was really impressed with how he moved for a big dude like that.  Super high intangibles from what I read, too.  I'd be shocked if he doesn't go in the first.  I'd easily take him over Guyton.

His tape is also apparently very good in the 7 or so games he did play. Very clear All Pro upside here

1 hour ago, bird_1972 said:

 

This is why I hope they take Maye. The better play is to use the rare opportunity to grab a guy with elite upside at #2 overall rather than a 5th year late-riser like Daniels who is who he is at this point - very little upside. 

 

That likely means the FO has to have patience in developing the QB but we have the infrastructure in place to do that now and AP has said in interviews he doesn't feel like they need to rush any rookie into the game before he's ready. 

 

I really, really hope this means they take the chance on Maye and let him sit for a few games/half the season. The reality is that this team isn't a QB away from a SB contender so it's best to roll with Mariotta and work on getting the QB ready behind the scenes while the rest of the roster gets acclimated to the new coaching/culture.

Given the progress JD made from year 4 to year 5, it is silly to say that there is very little upside left. Cousins and Wilson came to the NFL as 5th year seniors and both obviously continued to make massive leaps in the NFL

1 hour ago, Command The 414 said:

If you go back to the Adam Peters initial introduction PC a question was asked to him about his time in SF and he said despite not seeing it in W’s the team made strides (which at first were very rough) but they came through and built a perennial winner there.  I can’t see him being much different here even now being the main man as far as GM is concerned.  Having said this I don’t think he’s looking to go 5-12 or 6-11 etc… either.

 

I don’t think with all the nay sayers saying that Daniels gives them the best chance early to compete that his decision comes down to that, I don’t think he’s looking for us to be the Texans where we draft a rookie and then make the playoffs after being a doormat (if it happens great, but I don’t see it being his main focus) so I don’t think the QB he chooses will be made thinking of the here and now but will be made for the future as well…

 

I actually think spread out over the long haul that despite what many say are flaws in his game that Maye will be the choice cause by all reports he has the most upside along side his abilities… just my opinion, as I think all this Daniels talk about it being a done deal and all is just a smoke screen….

There is a bit of self fulfilling prophecy by getting off to a faster start with a rookie QB. You are able to attract more talent early on in that rookie’s career. 
 

Look at the Texans and the splashes they’ve made with Hunter and Diggs. Talent generally wants to follow talent

16 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Are there reports of the Broncos shopping Bolles? 

There were a month or two ago that they were considering cutting him to get under the cap. They cut Simmons instead to make it happen. Makes me think where there is smoke, there is fire though. It’s a tell to me that they haven’t extended Bolles yet.

To me, he is a younger more athletic Leno but there is a lot of value in that, especially pairing that with a rookie QB. 

17 minutes ago, Wyvern said:

Are there any decent left tackle FAs still available, besides Mehki Becton (underperforming so far), Donovan Smith (who seems eager to go to the Jets) and David Bakhtiari (aging, injury history)?  

 

Garrett Holmes might have been a possibility, but still under a $16+ million contract in 2024, and would need Denver to agree to some kind of trade.  I'm having difficulties finding other candidates for Washington to build depth at Tackle, especially Left Tackle. And I can't help but think that Washington really needs to address their issues at both tackle positions -- neither of the current starters seem to be a long-term solution, heck, maybe even a season-long solution.

 

I ask about FAs, because a lot of the  quality Tackles who might be available to Washington in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft, tend to be Right Tackles, or Tackles who'd likely become Guards in the NFL.

 

Or do you think the plan is to wait to see which Left Tackles become possibly available after the draft... and/or hit the waiver wire at the end of the preseason?

 

 

Garrett Bolles? A no brainer to trade for and extend him if the draft comp is a 3rd or lower.

Vet tackle market is frozen until after draft

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

Love Odunze, took him in the board's draft.  Took him over Bowers who is also a player i love.

 

But I'd be surprised if he escapes the top 10.    And if so that would require if i recall draft point chart wise both 2nd round picks and another pick, probably a third

I think we'd probably be looking at both 2nds and a 2nd next year. I'd do it for Odunze. He is just such a clean prospect with such a high ceiling. Again, the nice thing here is we can package both 3rds to move back into the second and grab a tackle there if they don't want to wait.

30 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I wouldn't mind an A1 receiver either. But none of the big 3 will be available after 9 and after that you have a buncha guys that are similar tiered and we can get a good one in round 2.

Agreed which is why I would be very aggressive to move up to get one of the big 3 if one is still there at 8 or 9. 

I really think what a lot of you guys who want to move up into the 1st for a tackle are getting wrong is you are assuming instant stud impact for that player. If you guys go back and look at the past few drafts, I think you will be surprised to see the struggles in year 1 and flat out busting of people taken in the first round. On the other hand, we are seeing receivers coming in and performing like studs right away.

If you want Jayden or Drake or whoever to get off to a hot start, they are more likely to be helped by Odunze + someone like Donovan Smith as a 1 year fill in vs Fashanu and someone like a Coleman or Corley

The other thing here is that, while both OT and WR are deep, the OT position is lacking obvious HOF upside studs and WR has three of those guys. Yes we have a lot of positions to fill but as Cooley and others have pointed out, what has really hurt us is our lack of superstar gamechanging players. I really do think Odunze is that guy - no weaknesses to his game (as Nate Tice says, his weaknesses are that he is more "good" at some things than "elite"). 

28 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

I get it, long-term visioning, etc. But we have a lot more at WR than we do at OT, and by flipping a future 1st and #36 to make this move up (and it would likely take more) we do hamstring ourselves on addressing the OT spot in this and future drafts.

 

Here, I've got you:

#36 + #100 + 2025 first to CHI for #9

#40, #67, #78, future 2nd to Denver for #12

 

#9: Odunze

#12: Fuaga

 

We'd wipe out our draft through R5 this year and would lack a 1 and 2 next year, but we'd have 3 blue-chippers to speak for it haha. Although this feels totally counter to what this FO has done in the past ... they value those mid-round and future picks and probably feel they can make a bigger impact there and not need to trade all up into R1 for blue-chippers.

I would make that trade for #9 and I’d be happy with best tackle available at #40 or even #76 because there will be someone there we like like Kiran or Fisher

Just now, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

I get it, long-term visioning, etc. But we have a lot more at WR than we do at OT, and by flipping a future 1st and #36 to make this move up (and it would likely take more) we do hamstring ourselves on addressing the OT spot in this and future drafts.

You can still take OT at #40. If we are looking at a different formulation where both 2nds are needed to move up, you can package 2 3rds to get back into the second to take OT

If Odunze is there at #9 somehow, give me him over any tackle in this draft. I would give up a 2nd and a 2025 first to move up to get him. He is the best WR prospect in the past 10 years sans Harrison Jr, Chase and Cooper…a true HOF upside player who elevates who we take at QB at #2

6 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

So far this regime has signed Crowder and now Zaccheus over some pretty good names still available. Clearly there's something they value in these two over guys like Tyler Boyd, Mecole Hardman, DJ Chark, Michael Gallup, Hunter Renfrow and others? Tells me they're taking a WR on day 2 and signing veteran compliments to put in the WR room. 

It’s that they are cheap veteran depth and they understand you generally shouldn’t overpay for slot receivers