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  1. I was wrong in the Love thread thinking we'd get a lineman or two today but likely ones with vast upside rather than kind of known ability. This guy is kind of known. Immensely strong and I think the second most reps on the bench at the combine. Considering we tend to get overwhelmed with fatties on the inside having that strength is probably an ok thing. This is a TRUE ass guard and I think given Roullier is not that mobile this guy's lack of mobility really leans us toward a zone blocking scheme as we are not that flexible on pulls if this guy gets in. Of course we do have Flowers and Cooper to have that I suppose. Pretty standard fourth rounder. Hope he doesn't suck.
  2. The Redskins offensive line has four guys who were picked in the Top 10 of the NFL draft. Flowers is not inspiring and Cooper may not be, though Cooper actually looked damn good before he got hurt last year. Moses, Roullier, Scherff and Williams are dead locks to start. There is one spot open for any sort of fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh rounder competing against two Top 10 picks, one of which ACTUALLY looked less than ****ty. Christian was drafted in the third round a year ago as a bit weak, bit underweight swing tackle with upside. He should actually be more NFL ready than last year where you could tell he hadn't beefed or strengthed up enough. Bergstrom is acceptable depth on the inside with Roullier, assuming Cooper and/or Flowers don't **** the bed. I join you in wishing we had a lock in guy at that spot and probably would have gone offensive line in the first round for that spot had I had my druthers. But at this point it seriously doesn't matter if we draft an offensive lineman or not as he's not starting this year and we'd HATE to even see him play this year. And I am reasonably confident we'll add one or two more offensive linemen with picks we have left hoping one can be developed. But, do grasp anyone we pick up here out will have an odd draft grade as this is when the Redskins like to draft on guys who have upside, which also means guys with serious downside :).
  3. Apparently this is a first rounder dropped to fourth by staying in school and getting hurt. I think this is now goodbye to Perine and supports Thompson role in the offense as that's so crucial for Gruden in his matchups.
  4. This is very much right. Both Murray and Haskins were graded relatively low because they are relatively light on experience. Both would have been higher if they played another year in college and put up similar numbers. In that case they would have improved in the areas inexperience has hurt them in the grading process. Sam Darnold was a 7.0 draft grade on having a slightly worse year in 2017 compared to 2016. If Haskins had repeated that at OSU, having a slightly worse year, he enters next year's draft with above a 7.0 grade and is the No. 1 or No. 2 pick in the draft. Obviously we take the burden of getting him experience now while not setting him back which is likely the thing that will help determine how well he ultimately does. But he is a guy with upside if he can get that experience without the setbacks of taking a huge beating and changing him as a player. I still don't love him, but here are his negatives as a prospect related to inexperience: Small list of successful QBs with so few career starts Lacks in-game adversity challenges for an early round pick Still learning to attack zone coverage Baited into bad decisions on high-low reads Needs to expedite his process in the face of pressure All those largely go away with another season of seasoning under his belt. Tua will come in with more game experience AND the athleticism to make him a very highly rated prospect obviously. But Haskins would remove many of his flaws with more time and have been a much more highly rated player for it. I can only hope he does develop on the positive path as that would make the next 10 years a lot less frustrating :).
  5. Good measurables and seems like a solid work ethic. We suck on special teams so if he can ONLY make that a little better it won't be a bad pick. I like giving Haskins a guy he knows too. Seems like a very good pick at this spot. Probably not the value of the first two picks given draft grade and where selected, but a player you can like having on your team who seems pretty thick and does the dirty little things we don't always excel at :).
  6. Hey, his 40 time is ****ty. I agree. I suspect he's probably a couple tenths faster but simply had a bad day and some cramps. In any case, those on the negative side seem to think his 40 time essentially means he's an oak tree. He is not going to win games with his feet. But he is big enough and mobile enough to get around enough. Tom Brady, the Mannings, Brees, etc are in the 4.8 to 5.2 range. QBs don't have to run a 4.4 to be ok. I promise. The difference between Haskins in the 40 and Russell Wilson in the 40 is roughly 4 yards. Really, it's ok.
  7. Name the QB Jay's ever had that fits the criteria you seem to think he prefers. We know not Brad Johnson. We know not Andy Dalton. We know not Kirk Cousins. RGIII was that, but he got rid of him for not being the QB he wanted. And all the QBs he's had, including Colt, are pretty much what Haskins is. So, again, show ONE hint of data supporting your thought Jay wants anything OTHER than what Haskins is. Just one would be great. Do you really think Haskins can't hand the ball off and do play action? Is that really a thing with you? You know OSU ran the RPO a lot right? The R in RPO means "run". Do you think Haskins couldn't get outside? I swear, some people do not value the benefit of silence and how it can assist the way others view them.
  8. Smith does not progress at all well man. Even in KC two years ago when he was the game's best deep ball thrower, his game was deep to dump. He is NOT good at reading the field. He's GOOD at seeing his primary is covered and knowing where his safe is. He's good at understanding pressure and finding his hot/safe. Haskins showed almost none of that at Ohio State. Haskins actually read progressions. Again, here are two plays that illustrate that amazingly well he spoke about. Confirm you watch this: I'm sure every QB can talk about that. But there are things here that are excellent. He didn't take the easy, first, right throw on that second play. Why? Because he knew the down and distance. They didn't tell him. He told the analyst. He REMEMBERED that play. You know how you see Lebron and other greats and McVay tick off EVERYTHING that happened from a sequence or a game a year ago? That was impressive. He knew that play. He KNEW why he did that. The first play where he knew he was going backside to one of two guys he did exactly as coached. That second play where he threw into the second window instead of the first? That's a play where Ben thinks the play is covered and pulls out after the first window is closed, then does something wonderful off it. Haskins just low key did wonderful. Haskins appears to read across progression, NOT from first to safe. Yes, he had dumps. MOST of Ben's throws are dumps. But the progression is obvious. He reads through multiple options. There's a video that has an eval of the triangle concept against Nebraska which was a simple, easy throw, but not a safe. And it is only open if he makes that read. That is what is encouraging about him mentally. His physical limitations are enormous. But his progression game seems NOTHING like Smith's. Smith is read primary then dump. Cousins is read primary then dump. That's why Gruden never connected deeply with him. He wanted Cousins to progress and let a play live a bit longer. Haskins will let a play live a bit longer and read through and across in a way Smith still doesn't and way didn't at Utah. I think this is our greatest hope for him. In an NFL where athletes who are also smart are the kings, he has to be the smartest of the rest to be any good. It is obvious more likely than not he'll not be that good. Maybe Smith good if anything. Middle of the road. And that'd be an exceptionally good pick really. But his game has no similarity to Smith or Cousins beyond he is a pocket passer. So is Ben.
  9. I completely agree with you that Ben is at his best when a play breaks down and I will agree with you that I can NOT see Haskins having anywhere NEAR that ability on any level even proximate to Ben. I do think Haskins will easily avoid rushers in a similar way as he's got more quicks than speed certainly. But I think Haskins has shown the ability to read the defense and field and come to his first, second, third or fourth options BEFORE a play breaks down in college in a way that even seems to surpass what Ben does now as a pro. I can't say that with certainty, but Ben seems to lock in to an early option, then kind of freeze, then escape and then create magic. I don't see a **** ton of highlights were you see Ben being surgical, looking people off, coming off reads quickly and cleanly, etc. I'm sure he DOES do that, but that's not an area I associate with his game. It's CLEARLY what Haskins is best at now. He gets the ball and QUICKLY does the right read with it. HOW quickly in the NFL will determine his ultimate level as without Ben's improve he will not be that good if that mental acumen is a hair too slow to keep defenses at bay. That mental aspect is what made Manning, Brady and Brees so good. It's how the Colts had the greatest offensive line for years allowing 9 sacks a year or something, then Manning gets hurt, they have the same line, and they are the worst in football. Manning simply read and threw the ball before he had to create magic. THAT is where Haskins has to be to be great in this league as THAT is the type of player he is. There aren't many Ben's. There aren't many Mannings. Wouldn't it be great if Haskins was, more likely, the latter, than the former :). To be clear, it's also quite possible he is Leftwich. Very unlikely he's Jamarcus. How quickly he processes will determine his future. He can throw. Can he think quickly enough to make the right read. Cousins is pretty good at that which is why he was good statistically. But he had ZERO magic in him or ability to carry or make the throw that is improbable to even contemplate as possible as a Brady or someone who lives on mental quicks more than feet.
  10. Marino, Bledsoe are apt I think. Stationary, good arms. Marino had a better release. Bledsoe a better arm. Peyton Manning from a mobility standpoint, but better arm. It's all about how good Haskins is mentally to know if he'll overcome the physical athletic differences frankly. Manning and Brady and Brees are so quick making decisions and the ball comes out. If that's Haskins, it won't matter if he plays like Big Ben. If that's not Haskins, well, there's always the Clemson kid in 2 years :).
  11. For clarity I said I think Haskins attacks a defense in a lot of the ways Brady does. Which is to say he takes what's open. Almost always. I recall when we were in New England and Gregg Williams put his safeties 30-yards-back on a windy day in Foxborough and Sonny said, "You watch, Brady is going to play his 11 on our 9 all game." And he did. And he shredded us. And he never went deep. At Ohio State, the book on them is take away the deep ball and you can stop them. Haskins actually spread the offense sideline to sideline and found the right matchup quite often. In that, he's more like Brady than Ben. No one perceives Ben as a tactician. Though I suspect he's much more so than we credit him. Yes, Haskins has more in common with how Ben plays than he does with Smith in that they both are generally stationary players who play almost exclusively from the pocket and have good arms to attack more areas of the field with regularity than Smith has. Smith's game is much more movement oriented. Ben has that magic Haskins almost certainly won't have as no one other than Ben and Russell really have it in the NFL. My point is Ben's traits, while great, aren't the only traits to make a winner. Haskins has a LOT of traits that could make him a far better pro than Ben ever was, without having any of Ben's. And, of course, he could be terrible :). Which Ben clearly hasn't been.
  12. A bit, yeah. A very bit, yeah.
  13. Morrison. I think I'd merely ask you to reflect a moment. You clearly have an opinion best described as singular in nature. It's one not shared by anyone, anywhere. It's a comparison no one has even contemplated on any level from fan to front office to analyst. Every single person in response is begging you to think about what you're doing. Yes, you're right, Ben is a more natural gunslinger with a game that throws deep a ton than most people in football history. I'll go into this in a moment, but, while accurate that Haskins doesn't either throw the ball deep as often as Ben does as a pro, and Ben's excellence is his magic play extension, the fact remains Haskins has much more in common with Ben's remaining skills than he does Alex Smith's mindset or skillset. That does not mean he projects to be like Ben as he does not. But he WAY does not project out to Smith. I think you mistake Haskins deep throw numbers for a timid guy in an offense he shredded people with against defenses designed to take the deep ball away leaving openings elsewhere and he effectively picked the right guy a ton. That said, on deep throws, Ben is great. Last year Alex Smith had 3.9 deep ball attempts per game and averaged 8.3 yards averaged in ball travel distance, or ball depth stats, which means yards the ball traveled in the air. Ben had 5.3 deep ball attempts per game which was third in the league, but averaged only 8.1 yards averaged in ball travel distance. LESS than Smith. He was, overall, the No. 1 player in the total yards in this category, but his attempts were less than Smith, who doesn't take chances. The point of this is Ben is a LOT more like Haskins, AND Smith, than you seem to think. He LIVES off short passes with deep balls thrown in to OPEN up the short game. And the fact he needed 42.2 pass attempts a game to average 5.2 deep passes a game, while Smith was 1.3 deep passes attempted per game behind him on just 32.8 (9.6 fewer) passes attempted per game may suggest perception is not always the rule even there. Ben is a great player. Haskins doesn't have his mentality. Ben's mentality is NOT the only mentality to make a winner. Tom Brady has ZERO of Ben's traits. And is a far superior player. Haskins has a lot of those traits in how he attacks a team. And we PRAY he has a smidge of Brady's decision making and smarts to make that matter :).
  14. I think you're saying something interesting and utilizing hindsight as to what Ben has become more than what Ben was leaving college and what Haskins was leaving college. They are very similarly ranked prospects with the edge going to Haskins as far as I can tell. Ben had minimal big football experience so his numbers, while inflated, were nothing in comparison to Haskins. Ben was more willing to throw into tight windows, and probably remains so, which is why he threw and throws more interceptions than Haskins did throw or projects to throw. However, someone posted this earlier and I would ask you to watch all of it, especially the second throw: Very clearly Haskins knew he risked an int throwing into one window and threw into another. Perhaps Haskins is just smarter than Ben was coming out. Ben does have moxie and grit. He's a wonderful player as he's shown over many, many years. But while one could suggest Haskins lacks all of the traits Ben has that has proven to help Ben be a great player, he certainly has traits that would lend to being a great player potentially. He could also fail. I don't know. I know you don't know. The only difference is you seem to suggest it's a conclusion already reached as if you know something no one else does. Let's also say this, for a QB who "doesn't throw deep", Haskins had a superior yards per attempt to Ben in college even though Ben was throwing against kids. That accuracy allowing YAC is no joke on Haskins right? Montana didn't have Ben's traits but he was also great and was so perfectly accurate. I wonder if accuracy is a trait that could lead to greatness then? Also, if Haskins stayed at OSU another year and did ANYTHING like he did this year, he's the No. 1 or No. 2 pick in next year's draft and the downside of his relative lack of experience is shed. Again, I don't love Haskins and am not sold on Haskins. But it's impossible to suggest his future is already written when there are MORE signs it has some positive aspect than the signs it has a negative aspect based on his body of work to this point as a player.
  15. Can't align on this. Alex Smith was the Top Pick in the draft who got there on his athletic ability and he ran a ton. Like over 10 times a game ton. Haskins has a better arm than Smith coming out or now. Haskins ran 79 times in 14 games. Like Ben who ran 67 times in 14 games in his final year. Haskins is much more like Ben in terms of play style than he is like Smith. Ben is taller and thicker though and more athletic though at this point probably not :). You are not wrong to say that Haskins is not as polished as Ben was coming out of school under pressure situations. Ben had 38 games and 1304 pass attempts in college. Haskins had 590 pass attempts and 22 games. Ben had more experience in college developing that which is why people do say you should maybe let Haskins spend a bit of time continuing his development on the bench where Ben was a ready-made starter. I will say this though, Haskins got better and better as his experience developed to the point he ENDED his year with three games against ranked opponents where he played the best football of his career. Maybe he's on the upswing :).
  16. Dude, I copied it at the spot I wanted watched didn't I :). I can't help it if you guys need a Brozilian.
  17. Well, most people would worry about his play, not his insane dislike of the owner. HOW DID HASKINS PERFORM? Right. A panic move is NOT taking who many people considered the best QB in the draft on a team in need of a QB while sitting still and doing nothing. You get that don't ya? Hush. You clearly don't know much. Jay doesn't like guys that can move. He dumped RGIII for Cousins because he likes guys, LIKE DALTON, who stand in the pocket and pass. Idiots keep saying Jay likes a QB he's NEVER HAD. Jay LOVES Colt McCoy. He's not looking for a mover. He's looking for a guy who can sling it and move ENOUGH. How can you NOT know this by now.
  18. Ok, so the criteria is not against pressure he faced against teams he faced, but pressure he faced against teams he didn't. Yes, I agree then he can not meet your criteria, as it doesn't exist. Of course, when he played the best defensive in college football, how'd he look? No, he can't run. Announcers said he's under pressure. Probably wasn't though. My GOSH SO SLOW. Why is he RUNNING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Filthy pocket. ****ty throw. HE BLOWS. Get the Clemson kid, eh? Why is he even TRYING to avoid a clean up the middle pressure and make yards on the ground. HE IS TOO SLOW. Sheesh. Why would you move an immobile player? I only put this one in as it's a Mark Rypien play. Roll one way, throw back the other. I had fond memories, this isn't exactly on point though. More ****ty pocket and finding a guy. Oh, and the play before this he AGAIN throws perfectly. I wonder if the YAC is because he throws so well? Probably not. Terrible snap, dodges pressure, runs, again. He can't run though. But he keeps running though. Maybe you've never seen him play, or, maybe you're right. Guess where I'm thinking? Look, the man is flawed, or that arm and accuracy would make him generational. NO ONE is saying he's perfect. But you are stone nuts if you think there isn't a reason to add THAT guy to THIS team. And, note, my posts are filled with data, not simple rambling. Your reply will have the same, or, a quiet departure to a safe space is acceptable.
  19. The super smart move would have been to lose every game until we could draft the kid from Clemson No. 1, right? I mean, why take a guy many analysts had as the best player at his position in this draft when you can lose 32 games and get a guy who will be rated as highly as any player at his position in history, who, upon getting him, will NEVER have thrown a pass in the NFL on a team that is 0-32. Your premise that waiting until next year whittles down the competition for a QB is silly. If Matt Ryan gets hurt, there's a team. Green Bay. Dallas, when Prescott ****s the bed :). Jacksonville when they realize they have Nick Foles. The Cards when they realize their QB is out for the year again. The Jets or Bills when they realize they also have Josh Rosen and need to give up on that guy. ETC. There will always be teams looking for QB. Haskins will be inexpensive. If he doesn't work out you can still draft a QB in 2021. How long did it take for RGIII to flame out exactly? You're not stuck with a guy because you drafted a guy. But if he's good, maybe you don't need anyone next year or the year after or even for a while after that. YOU KNOW, if you get no one, you WILL need to find SOME ONE then. We still may. Or we may not. Which is different, right? And bad, how? Say we go 1-15 and Gruden is gone and the new coach is the head coach from Oklahoma. You don't think he could get Tua as his guy at No. 1 next year and trade Haskins for a song? Didn't Arizona just do that with Rosen (I mean, when they trade him for a song at least). You lose almost nothing giving yourself the OPTION of filling the most important position on the field with a guy who could fill it. You lose a SEASON by NOT even trying. Why not try when the guy you like and others like falls to your lap? Oh, and I don't even LIKE Haskins. But it's stone stupid not to take him when he's there at No. 15. I can't even talk my way out of that.
  20. Never seen him move out of the way and make a play. Oh, wait, yes I have. Want more? I can find dozens.
  21. Fair enough. Just keep it in mind if you are going to quote me, actually do it. Don't pull one line out of context and demand I answer your misunderstanding. Either grasp it, or don't reply as it annoys to be misquoted and then asked to respond to that instead of what was actually said. But, I join you in celebrating our hope for Haskins in spite of any reasonable concerns we may share or have. As I already answered, I think Haskins will have a better career because he has the body size to survive the NFL and seems to have the mental ability to not abjectly suck. Murray will probably have a better year next year in that he'll start Day 1 and be breathtaking some. And hurt the rest. Dan's loved white and hispanic heritage players as well, sure. Sanchez was his dream man as an example, and he had none of the added benefits Haskins has, though by all measures was considered a superior NFL prospect leaving college. But, the reality is DC is nicknamed Chocolate City (and, yeah, I know diversity is inbound on this). If the team can have a great black QB, especially one who has local ties, it creates a heroic presence (IF HE CAN PLAY) that is a perfect fit for the area. It's a dream scenario for a team with dwindling fan interest and anger against. If he can play. Obviously, even a skinny white boy who could play would be fine for the fans, certainly, but Haskins is legend in the making IF HE CAN PLAY given where we are as an organization. A bit like RGIII. Joe Gibbs loved Jason Campbell. Gregg Williams LOVED Adam Archuleta. Coaches are kinda dumb :).
  22. Ahh. I see we may have difficulty communicating as you appear to have some difficulty processing words presented to you that others would quickly and more clearly grasp. Here is what I said. "But there are a lot of people who had Haskins as the No. 1 QB on their board early, middle, late and LAST NIGHT in the draft process. It is laughable to suggest there was a clear No. 1. There wasn't. If the Cards pick a different coach, there's every chance Haskins goes before Murray." When you quote, you should quote contextually as you'll understand better. I did not say, "In that, Haskins is THE best QB in the draft, by significant margin," in a vacuum. The IMMEDIATE sentence to that, which was the context of "In that," in what you quoted, was, "I do prefer a smart pocket QB who makes quick decisions to a guy who lives on athleticism." I did not say Haskins was the top QB in the draft. I said your claim there WAS a top QB in the draft was not accurate. I happen to dislike all QBs in this draft, but, sure, I do tend to prefer Haskins as I perceive he will have a longer career due to body size if nothing else, but NO ONE IN THIS draft is all that highly rated as a draft prospect, and no one in this draft was clearly ranked in any even MAJORITY way as the best player there as many have openly stated Haskins was the best player at that position in this draft. Yes, I very clearly stand behind my actual statement that Haskins is CLEARLY the best pocket QB in this draft who does not make his living on athleticism. Murray has strengths too. He's the most athletic player at that position, BY FAR. That may equate to his success. I merely said your position he was even a near consensus top player at his spot was not at all accurate as the grade for both was so close by even those who did feel he was superior to Haskins overall.
  23. I have no clue if Haskins will be a better pro than Murray or not. No one does. And the NFL grade for both suggests you could be right thinking either will be superior to the other. I will say Murray is EXCEPTIONALLY slight. Wilson has and can carry 20 to 30 pounds more and remain an acceptable athlete. Murray will never weigh more than 205 and remain anything worth having. That lack of thickness suggests to me that like RGIII who while bigger, thicker and stronger, but who lacked the frame for the NFL grind, that Murray will have some exceptional moments, but ultimately be a disappointing professional. Haskins, for his athletic flaws, has the body thickness to survive in the NFL and if he has the brain to shine he has, in my view, more potential to have a successful long-term career than Murray by some margin. In any case, I'm not totally on board with your statement you lack the energy or time to respond. You had the energy and time to spew some significantly flawed thoughts. You should create similar to discuss such, but, I will accept your polite walk back as doing something equally wise and less stressful so on that good on ya.
  24. I will give Finlay some credit. He actually does appear to have sources who have badge access to Redskins Park. And, yeah, after hearing Sheehan scream about how Gruden wanted Rosen all morning, this doesn't seem to jibe, does it? I mean, a better rated prospect who has a better arm, is thicker, is more accurate, played at a better program, who had better numbers, who didn't turn the ball over a ton, who is a lot like Dalton and Cousins in style, couldn't possibly have been a Gruden-desired-player. Everyone knows the Grudens like athletes. Like Brad Johnson.
  25. I've seen him in coverage some, but mostly hand down. And his biggest and best plays are when the hand is down. I tend to dislike taking guys who seem better at DE and making them be OLB. But this guy is athletic enough to maybe make it happen as I expect that's his future.