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  1. It's perfectly valid to be concerned Haskins won't become an elite QB in the NFL. Most QBs don't. It's far more likely than not Haskins won't be the answer for us, or may slip in and be an ok answer for us (say like Flacco) and we have other pieces that make us good at times or bad at times. This is a trait that could kill Haskins. Absolutely. But until he was on our team we had no one who could become an elite QB. He COULD, even if that's not as likely as he won't. Which makes today better than last week. As some have said, even if he sucks, we don't really get set back any more than Doctson sucking. Bad first rounders happen. We lost nothing to take Haskins in our slot and added the slim chance he's a great potential player. There are signs he won't be that. And some he will. I won't be holding my breath for the positive outcome, but I'll hope it works out until it's clear it won't. Which means at least two years from now before I begin to make an assessment.
  2. Actually, no. Colt is clearly our third most "talented" QB only when you factor Alex in. Case was undrafted and not considered a very good NFL prospect and wouldn't easily be said to be more "talented" than Colt from an evaluation process. Colt was considered a pretty good prospect and was drafted and started probably too early in the NFL. Colt has plenty of talent. The comfort with Case is he's been a regular starter more recently and had one really good season as the starter with the Vikings, where Colt hasn't really started since 2014 and while that was with us and he actually played well, that doesn't really help him much. What does is his complete knowledge of the offense and fact Jay loves his little butt. I certainly won't be surprised if Case does start given Colt is slow on the leg recovery, but if both are there every day, I just can't see Case winning to open the year. But I've been wrong before.
  3. The two national interviews he's done since the draft likely have more to do with the fact the Redskins have generally been regarded as having the best draft in the NFL this year, which is a first I believe. As such NFL media want to talk to the team. I'm perfectly fine with him talking or sending out Doug or Jay too. I haven't really read much into this other than he was asked to talk as he is the guy who ultimately decides our picks and the leader of the war room and draft day stuff. I suppose I don't care if he talks or when he does enough to hold it against him he took a couple of post-draft talks. I'll say if we suddenly start to get real good and he's out there chatty every week it's clearly a sign of happy to chat when good, not when bad syndrome. I just don't think we're there yet. He basically doesn't talk. I suspect that'll be basically who he is until he's not here any longer.
  4. Except the quote you're responding to resolutely disproves the notion. In fact Bruce rarely speaks. Didn't the post have an article where they listed it being like 577 days since he had a presser or something? In fact he doesn't spin at all. No one hears him say anything. The presser he took last was when he promoted Doug and said, "Here's your guy," basically. Allen is kind of known as being generally unavailable to the media and is one of the least chatty execs in the NFL. How does that make him a spin master? I'd argue one of our biggest issues is how little they bother to explain moves. It's the lack of transparency, not the spin, that has typically bothered fans. Isn't that right?
  5. This is a remarkably accurate statement :). Good. Then take the bet. You trust me least. And you're wrong. There a LOTS of folks on the team who know precisely what they want to happen and what they expect to happen. Plans dissolve upon contact with reality obviously, so all things remain possible, but if anyone actually thinks the team is going to put a rookie QB with the major knock as inexperience and pressure handling due to inexperience in for the opener in Philly that person lacks any ability to think. While true all things are possible, what's the LEAST possible thing there is? Yeah. THAT. Don't trust me. Trust yourself cause you already know.
  6. I've gotten rid of two wives. That's largely why I have 10K to piss away. Are you sure her depature would suck?
  7. I rarely post here any longer and probably won't post again until August after another day or so. If I perceived you were a regular enough poster of idiocy I'd probably take you up on that piece as you'd be gone then, but I haven't seen you overly ignorant and you don't have the post count to be that irritating, so it's pointless. Thus the wager has to be something that stings. I am fortunate to have a lot of money so we can lower it to a pain point you can accept. Or, you can just take my word on this. There is almost NO way Haskins starts the season. It is conceivable if he looks so stupendous in camp and preseason that the swell of FAN pressure, through the media and talk shows, will lead to a quickening of Haskins' ascension. In that case, where he's just so good, while everyone else is John Beck, it is plausible Gruden would even start him to open the year. But even then, Gruden won't want his opener in Philly, so he'd pick the Cowboys, at home so he'd actually have a home-field advantage maybe in Week 2. He'd actually probably sign Josh Johnson and let him get destroyed in Philly if it was starting Haskins there or ANYONE else. I do think Haskins will see the field this year as I suspect we won't be so good as to keep him off, but likely the Niners game is your natural entry point on the early side and Lions on the late. Unless we are quite competitive and competent he will probably have to see the field, though I'd rather him NOT to if we are not competitive and competent as that exposes him to unnecessary suck around him. I perceive, though don't know, it'll bounce between Colt and Case a bit before Haskins gets a run. I do know the chances of him starting the season are as close to zero as chances close to zero get. You also have to remember, Gruden is going to make sure he looks mostly ****ty in preseason games. He's going to force him under center constantly and work exclusively on the things his lack of experience dictate need work. He's not going to put him out there like Osaka. It's going to be a slog and we're likely to be depressed by how he looks. Except that has to be done to get him those reps in a safe space when it doesn't matter, than simply putting him in the gun and letting him be comfy in preseason.
  8. The front office has no say. ZERO say. Playing time is contractually run by Gruden. And he'll start the guy who he thinks most likely helps him KEEP coaching. This isn't to say he can't be made to feel pressure, but he ultimately has full control of playing time so long as he's coach. Unless you perceive Snyder/Allen would fire him to put Haskins on the field and promote someone else on the staff to head coach, or they'd guarantee him two more contractual seasons to start Haskins, we're set. I guarantee you Haskins isn't starting week 1 unless Keenum and Colt AND Smith are all out with injury. That's not even a guess really. I will not bet you the loss of ES account because you simply don't matter enough to warrant the loss of me and my greatness. I will bet you $10,000 that Haskins doesn't open the season as starter. We'll give @TK the money and he can pay it out. Game?
  9. There's zero chance Colt is cut if he can walk and play. ZERO. He's the only QB on the roster who knows the system. Much more likely Keenum is cut than Colt. If Colt can't get on the field in training camp or the preseason, sure, he's likely gone, but he is the odds-on favorite to actually open the season as our starter IF healthy.
  10. One thing to consider here is the 2012 draft in which Luck was clearly the top prospect with RGIII right behind him. The league has changed a bit from that point in that if both came out, EXACTLY as they were then this year, RGIII would have been ahead of Luck. Why? Because every team wants the miracle feet. It should be understood Murray is no where close to the prospect in draft grade this year that RGIII was the year he came out. Haskins is OBVIOUSLY no where near the draft prospect that Luck was. But, if BOTH players stayed in school another year and got the benefit of more experience to augment their grade, two things would have happened. First, NEITHER would be as highly graded as either Luck or Griffin STILL, but the gap would have closed a bit. And, importantly, Haskins would have surpassed Murray as a prospect in overall grade. This all assumes both played great again with no major injury or slip. This can be said because none of Murray's major negatives would be solved with more time playing. If you read over his negatives list, the big ones aren't really as tied to his game experience as they are with Haskins. They are tied to his size and play style and mechanics. Haskins' major negatives are his inexperience with a sprinkle of being slow. He's slow. It's the total lack of athleticism with Haskins that would keep him from ever being a prospect like Luck, who was a good athlete too, regardless of game experience. And it's the simple size problem that would keep Murray from RGIII heights, even as the NFL adjusts to players smaller at that position who are athletes. It is almost a do-over from the 2012 draft though in which we weren't given the choice between the best two QBs in the draft, and in 2012 picked Griffin where we probably would have picked Luck. Here we picked Haskins and I do not perceive we would have picked Murray if we could have taken either given their draft grades were so close and Haskins has more upside with seasoning his game than Murray to the point Haskins would have remained the No. 2 QB in next year's draft, behind Tua, with Murray slipping. This time we got "Luck" which is to say the more traditional pocket passer. Which I remain fine with even as the league is undergoing a change here. Until those mobile QBs start winning Super Bowls, the big pocket passer remains king.
  11. Who was Carson Wentz behind for two years? The immortal Brock Jensen. Now, it's fair to say Haskins draft grade would have been significantly higher than Wentz had he played another year to shed the inexperience negatives, but Wentz was ok, right? Well, I mean, he played at NDSU so maybe not, but he BECAME ok, right? Eli Manning played behind Romaro Miller for a year, right? Who's that? The guy who started over Eli. Josh Allen sat behind Cameron Coffman. Hell, did Peyton even start RIGHT away. I seem to recall Todd Helton or someone there delaying his kingdom? Barrett was a four year starter and leader on a very good team. There's no shame sitting behind him and then getting a chance and being better than anyone, in college, in that conference, EVER.
  12. In the interest of space I'll just generally reply to the points that appear to be questions I can reply to @Skinsinparadise. Yes, I've said then, before ES even existed, since, now, and probably into the future if Haskins isn't the answer, the Redskins needed to nail the QB position at which point everyone in the organization becomes an unmistakable genius we adore and build statues to. Look at Belichick. This is an abject failure as a coach. Four seasons losing double digit games as a head coach. Owner in New England not thrilled with the team's direction when magic happens. Suddenly they are the best. Give the Redskins, or any team, anything like Brady and, bam, they are the model organization in sports. The NFL, for consistent winning and competition, requires a top level QB. I've repeatedly said you can win without a top level QB if you have something else great, but you can't win consistently. You can win without a top level QB who just happens to be playing at a top level for a stretch. But to be a solid, stable organization over a long period you need a QB you can win behind and with. As for Bruce, I'm just stating the man seems genuinely nice and deferential. He's not Marty forcing everyone on the roster to eat the ice cream he likes or cutting Centers because he wore a baseball cap. He's not a lordling as many are. He's clearly not done a good enough job for us since he took over full control in 2014 and has said as much. I fully supported moving on from Allen and the entire coaching staff at the end of this season. I agree with you time is running out for any possible benefit of the doubt to occur. I just know if Haskins is a Top 10 QB we'll be pretty happy with this team. If he's a Top 5 we'll think Bruce is the best Allen in organization history. It won't even be that difficult. But the franchise does need more than hope to get through the next few years with how the fans feel. And that only comes by winning. Which we've not done nearly enough of.
  13. I'm not sure what that means. I suspect we'd have taken Luck over RGIII if given either as an option but only RGIII was an option in 2012 and was the obvious selection as led by Shanny, who believed he could win with RGII, and, frankly DID. There were stretches where the league was unsure how it would ever stop THAT offense. The reality was injury would and when Shanny ran RGIII into the ground, he didn't fully believe RGIII was a different kind of QB. Our coaches don't have any doubt that Haskins can play in a passing system. None at all. There were BASIC concerns RGIII couldn't. Unlike Haskins RGIII not only played only shotgun, but also was a single read offensive system. Haskins actually had to read the field and progress. No one would here is worried he can't do that. He's a pure pocket passer, as is Jones, with the difference being one guy played well and one guy didn't.
  14. I'm not sure it's a huge surprise though. Jones was coached in a purely pro-style offense by a pro-style coach who had generated pro QBs. The Ohio State offense was uniquely different this year to past years with Day and the mesh and a more sideline-to-sideline attack with a lot of pro-style passing complexity, reads and protections, but when you live in shotgun you have to learn drops and Jay had direct experience with RGIII and the difficulty of that with such a QB. Haskins won't have problems with progressions and protections and the passing tree so much as he will the timing of when his back foot hits at which step and the like, at least very early on. It would not be surprising of coaches would prefer a guy they'd have to coach less on the very basics. That said, I would not anticipate MANY feeling that way given the vast differential in all other apparent aspects of the game Jones was not as good at as Haskins. But, hell, you saw an entire organization prefer Jones to Haskins and how scared the Giants fans actually get to be by that reality. I wouldn't spend time worried about the possibility someone in our organization liked Jones more than Haskins as we don't have to deal with it because we have Haskins.
  15. Local reporters ask for Bruce all the time, yeah. There was no Reuben Foster incident I'm aware of. There was an organization taking a no-risk shot at a talented player with potential baggage. Doug's job is to speak to the local media on moves of that sort as the player personnel leader. What Doug said at the time kind of made it worse as while he was right that what Foster was accused of was small potatoes in the world of issues, saying that led to scrutiny unnecessary for such a smart football move at the time that has panned out in our favor especially well. Bruce has spoken to the media on the Foster situation. As an example, at the Senior Bowl. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/bruce-allen-does-not-know-why-redskins-would-expect-suspension-reuben-foster He spoke before then as well as reported by Lisa Salters as summarized by JP Finaly. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/bruce-allen-discusses-decision-sign-reuben-foster-espns-lisa-salters Bruce does not make himself out as the face of the organization so he doesn't give a lot of media availability. That's by design you can be sure. He was very uncomfortable having to face the organization when the Scot McClouhan situation was happening as it was an uncomfortable time all around and he prefers people in those roles to handle those roles. Bruce doesn't speak after games either as that's Jay's job. He wasn't up with the top picks on the memorial steps either as that's Tony's job. He'll be there for signings and stuff as he's the Pres. But I wouldn't read especially much into it. Doug gets paid to talk to the media about personnel choices within the personnel department. It's ok if he does it.
  16. First take asked for Bruce. Tony Wylie had to give them some basic ground rules, which you saw Smith allude to. Those rules were, "You can talk about the draft and draft picks and anything surrounding the draft, but control your other ****." And Smith followed it. Which is kind of a miracle.
  17. @Skinsinparadise I've met Bruce behind the curtain. When he didn't have to be political or savvy or concerned with public appearances. i've met a lot of the Redskins people past and present in that way and I can tell you Bruce is somewhat unique in NOT being a raging dick. Hell, I still recall from when we were negotiating with the team to take over ES the VPs in that room said, "We're a billion dollar organization and you are four guys in the back of a truck." And we giggled, responding, "Who have somehow surpassed anything you would or could do in this venue, right?" We really should have sold T-Shirts with that slogan :). One problem the Redskins have had -- and I can't speak if this is uniform or not -- is the general dickishness of the people at high levels when they can reveal who they really are. The team really hasn't taken quality of character as seriously in business folks as they have with their draft picks this year :). At least in the past. I'm further and further from any connection so all that could be different. I can say Bruce is one of the genuinely nice people, when he didn't have to be, I've encountered with the group. Snyder is the biggest prick on planet, though. Can't argue there. The point remains how you conduct yourself personally in your public persona also matters. And Bruce is actually quite deferential there. If anyone cares to look. And that matters.
  18. How many people here have actually met Bruce Allen in a non-public environment, shook his hand, chatted with him? I have. He's not smug. He's jovial and engaging and interesting and funny as hell. I can say only people who have never met him would consider him smug. So it would make sense the media says that as they have never talked to him :). And listen to his answer in the clip above. About how OTHER PEOPLE, not him, are around to help Haskins be all he can. Smug guys don't do that. They say, "I've created an environment," not "We have an environment." The "we" versus "I" usage tells you almost everything about a person. It's all you really need to know honestly about who that person is. Here's the whole of it:
  19. @The Consigliere brother, Diggs isn't even the most productive, go-to receiver on his own team. He's surpassed 1000 yards once, last year, JUST BARELY, on 102 catches. He's never had more than 9 TDs. He's a good player, but he's Pierre Garcon good, not No. 1 receiver good. At least not to this point in his career. He'd be our best receiver by far though :).
  20. @The ConsigliereI am grateful for the list and it's a good one. I'm not entirely sure the bulk of that list qualify as legit No. 1s, which was the comment I kind of thought might be a bit hopeful (like Diggs is no where close to a No. 1). What I'm struck by is the bulk of that list who have had success is success predicated more on quickness than size generally. We'd be happy if he had as good a career as most of those guys I'm sure. The Thielen one is interesting in that he's certainly emerged and has the size to be a big receiver who kind of fits the mold of legit top target. I'm hopeful that'll be Harmon in a few years.
  21. I think Michael Thomas is right on the cusp of it and may already be there but, again, the Saints are so good on offense and he's still pretty young. I probably judge the Saints receivers with a curve that is not fair to them in that he should be at 110 catches, 1400 yards and 10 TDs every year given that offensive production and QB to be a legit No. 1. Hell, Hopkins puts up better numbers and he's it over there in Houston on a ****ty offense by comparison. But, yeah, Thomas is probably in there already. I totally agree with the rest of your post as well. It would be tremendous to see him as a solid 60-catch guy. Really awesome if that's his top end we got very lucky.
  22. Almost perfectly stated. There are some guys who have more ins than others. Right now Finlay is ahead on points. Keim is a wonderful and respectful guy, and, frankly covers the team almost like an old timer sports journo in that he's writing, not trying to tell you how stupid everyone is but him. The Sheehan who does that podcast has "some" insight in that he's Cooley's old partner and they are friends and Cooley is an insider who may be known to hint at stuff to friends. Cooley doesn't like Haskins. So, don't be surprised if Sheehan is getting some "insider" stuff from Cooley. I like Paulson, but, golly, he got played or outright fabricated his nonsense last week. My guess is fabricated as no one currently in the organization would tell him that as it's pretty far from the known and shared reality. On the national side, there are no "Redskins insiders". Russini literally made stuff up. As for the Shefter thing on Guice, what happened there was simple. We got Love. Shefter doesn't follow college football or scout it. He's not Kiper. He saw we got Love so he essentially speculated Guice was slow to recover. He didn't realize Love is unlikely to even be on the roster this year. And Twitter doesn't allow him to write the extra characters of "speculation" in his tweets apparently so people forget ALL OF THEM ARE. Randy. That happened in August. It took local media until December to even report on it. Guice is not delayed on his recovery for playing in 2019. No one has said he was. Even that Post article. Shefter simply didn't realize Love wasn't likely to play this year -- though Love says otherwise -- and figured we drafted him because Guice must be slow. So he wrote a short Tweet that people took as NEW reporting. When it was just a guy who doesn't follow college football speculating.
  23. Most reporting is fiction, yes, and as sports reporters have decided to report sports like news, they also generate more fiction. Traditional sports writing remains pretty straightforward and hard to get wrong though. I'm not sure how to answer the question about why I was watching the NFL draft during the NFL draft other than to say I watched the NFL draft cause I enjoy it. It doesn't mean I sit there presuming every word they come up with is factual. Or that I agree they need a 10 minute segment on a draft pick who hit a girl in high school and why that's ok/not ok. But the draft is fun to watch. So are sports. I'm just blessed not to think each utterance is true as I appreciate people who are never in D.C. don't actually have a ton of contacts in D.C. Exchange city as you wish.
  24. So it would be great if Harmon had the career of either guy. But I don't consider either guy a legit No. 1. Garcon only had one year that could be considered No. 1 material in his career. Colston is a bit harder to discuss because he was so consistently productive, but I'd still say he only had one year, his second, in which his numbers fully qualified as true No. 1 material. But the Saints had so many weapons and spread the ball he actually might qualify and he's a lot like this pick for sure. Again, if Harmon has any sort of career like those two he'll probably be the best pick of this draft for us, so I hope that happens. I just see No. 1 receivers a bit differently, especially in the pass happy league we're in. They are around 100 catches. Over 1250 yards. Routinely. Antonio Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Julio Jones. Maybe Mike Evans sneaks in there based on body of work. Michael Thomas may be entering that. In any case, I'd love to see Harmon be one of those guys too :).
  25. Did you really wonder out loud why a pundit would say something untrue? Uh, almost everything they say is untrue. Shefter lost his Redskins contacts when Shanny left. You think anyone on the team is calling him telling him anything about anyone on the team, much less Guice? Lawd. People really need to understand just become someone writes a thing doesn't make it so. Presume what you're seeing is false. Until it's clear it is not. And you'll be better for it.