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Seems like at that point we're getting pretty subjective, e.g., "pretty much mediocre" and "lived up to draft status." 5 out of 10 from current NFL starters is a pretty good-looking fact. Sorry it doesn't completely support the Daniels-will-almost-certainly-bust narrative. How dare you skip over RG3 at 14 and Sam at 34. Heathen!

How dare these people just sit there on the information highway looking for things people happen to be posting. They should be all picking their noses instead. <-- hey can anyone see my emoji? Did it come through for you all?

Haskins #60 and Jason Campbell #66. Yay us!

NY AG asks Trump civil fraud judge to declare $175M bond ‘without effect’ The New York attorney general’s office has asked a judge to void the $175 million bond former President Trump secured to put off paying the larger monetary damage award in his civil fraud case. State lawyers said in court filings Friday that the former president and his co-defendants — the Trump Organization and its top executives, including his two eldest sons — failed to prove the surety Trump used to obtain the bond actually has the money to back it. They also say the defendants did not show that “sufficiently secure and ascertainable” collateral backs the bond. “Based on the foregoing, the People respectfully request that the Court deny Movants’ motion to justify the surety, declare the Bond to be without effect and order that any replacement bond be posted within seven days, along with such other and further relief the Court deems necessary and appropriate,” lawyers with New York Attorney General Letitia James’s (D) office wrote in a 26-page filing. Click on the link for the full article

Riddick got big mad about that one.

Judge denies Trump co-defendants' motions to dismiss charges in classified documents case U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday denied motions by two of former President Donald Trump's co-defendants to dismiss charges in the classified documents case. Trump aide Walt Nauta's lawyers asked this month for five charges against him to be dismissed, while lawyers for Carlos De Oliveira, who was the property manager at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s Florida estate, requested that all charges against him be tossed out. In her filing in Florida, Cannon said De Oliveira "does not meaningfully dispute that the charging document satisfies the minimum pleading standards." She also noted that his lawyers can challenge prosecutors' evidence during a trial, "where the Special Counsel will bear the entire burden of proof as to all essential elements of the obstruction offenses." Similarly, she dismissed the motion from Nauta's lawyers, who had argued that obstruction charges against him were unconstitutionally vague. Click on the link for the full article

Which one’s the fanboy here? 🤔 And it’s pretty telling that Riddick’s response to someone questioning Daniels’ lack of pass attempts outside the pocket was to post… efficiency stats?

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Not surprising. Most college QBs (especially younger ones) will need to work on their footwork at least a bit. Especially if they're coming from a less "NFL style" offense. If footwork couldn't be improved with coaching we'd see a hell of a lot more busts than we do. Footwork and mechanics were concerns with Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert as well. This is why that footwork/mechanics red flag for Maye doesn't scare me as much as some of the red flags on Daniels.

On a positive note... At least we got the requisite "He doesn't wanna be here's" out in the open much earlier than usual this time.

Odor in the court.

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Not disagreeing with you as to the depth and clarity of the response. Just making the point that he’s technically correct, assuming that that’s what he was getting at. Which I’d already kinda wanted to do, because I find the “Daniels improved every single year” narrative as baffling as the “McCarthy beat Alabama with his arm when Michigan needed him to” narrative that I keep seeing. Actually, it’s still a little less baffling than the McCarthy-Alabama thing, because Daniels did improve his rushing production from 2019 to 2021 (and thereafter), which is something at least.

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Eh, out of all those guys the only one who has lived up to his draft status is Burrow. Mayfield, Murray, and Tua were all very high picks and are pretty much mediocre now. Not total busts, but definitely didn't live up to where they were drafted IMO. Mac Jones was also a pretty high 1st round pick and is now a backup who was traded for a 6th round pick.

I'm OK testing this theory.

He doesn’t like my dude JJ McCarthy, he’s mad that JJ took down his beloved Ohio State. Logan set him straight though

There's been a good bit of discussion in this thread about the bust rate on QBs, which according to some approaches 80-90%, so I was pleasantly surprised to see that 5 of the top 10 seasons came from current NFL starters.

My thing with Keim is that I have never heard him truly contend with the JD durability concerns. He sort of handwaves it away and talks about learning to slide. But like... is it that simple? Someone here posted how weighing 200 lbs vs. 230 lbs could be the difference between getting sacked by a DE who gets an arm on you and pulls you down vs. getting away. Any QB is going to take hits, including big shots by NFL-sized pass rushers. It's a reality of playing the position. Is there really no concern there beyond learning to slide? Someone compared him to Cousins' body type (Cooley?), maybe that's how people see him if he puts on 5 lbs of muscle. Idk. It just seems night and day how people talk about that concern on here vs. in the media. Maybe we just have acute RG3PTSD on here. I certainly do. But does that make us irrationally concerned or uniquely clear-eyed?