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      VICTORY!!!
       
      Redskins 23 - 17 Panthers
       
      Will the real Washington Redskins please stand up?
       
      Hello friends, JimmiJo here, joined by the Spaceman Spiff. 
       
      Seriously, which team will we get to see today. The one solid in all quarters, playing fundamentally sound ball and making us believe that just maybe, this year they could be hanging around at playoff time? Or will it be the one who decides not all receivers should be covered? You know, the one that seems to believe no national embarrassment is too great to suffer.
       
      If I am on this team on this day, I am playing like I have been punked-out on national TV (because I was) and I have something to prove. I am playing with a degree of urgency yet to be seen this year. I am playing like the season is on the line today. Because it literally is as far as I am concerned.
       
      Speak amongst yourselves...
       
      inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 25 RB Chris Thompson
      o   No. 30 S Troy Apke
      o   No. 39 CB Adonis Alexander
      o   No. 74 T Geron Christian Sr.
      o   No. 77 G Shawn Lauvao
      o   No. 80 WR Jamison Crowder
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      Ok gang, showtime. Here's to a good game with no injuries. You can follow me live on Twitter @Skinscast. 
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Half
       
      Great start, poor ending. They need to produce in the 2nd half to win.
       
      JimmiJo
       
      This team is consistently inconsistent.
       
      I’m just glad I caught them on the good week. And if there was ever a time to go for two in a row, it’s this week.
       
      I was poised to ask the players how much last week had to do with this. I didn’t have to. Most of the guys I interviewed spoke about getting the bad taste of last week out of their mouth.
       
      To a man they wanted to put it behind them. No better way than to do so with a win against a 3-1 Carolina Panthers. The win preserves Washington’s first place position in the division.
       
      If we are looking for heroes we have to start with Adrian Peterson. Coming in with multiple injuries (shoulder, knee, ankle), all he did was run for 97-yards on 17-carries with a 5.7 yard per carry average. The man is ageless, looking more like a first-year back rather than a guy near the end of his career.
       
      On the other side of the ball was Josh Norman. It was clear in speaking to him following the game that the chatter in the media was starting to get to him. This game was important enough for him that he called a defensive backs meeting this week to get everybody on the same page.
       
      Norman payed like the all-star the Redskins signed in 2016. In fact, the interception was his first since week 16 of 2016. But he wasn’t done. Norman punched out the ball to force a fumble later on a critical drive, robbing the Panthers of an opportunity to score.
       
      Given the talk about Norman and the manner in which the New Orleans Saints bludgeoned Washington last week, it was fitting the game came down to a defensive stand that resulted in Carolina giving up the ball on downs.
       
      This was a total team effort for Washington, with all areas contributing.
       
      Alex Smith went 21-of-36 for 163-yards and two touchdowns. He finished with a passer-rating of 88.1.
       
      Jordan Reed had a relatively quiet five receptions for 36-yards to lead the receivers. Vernon Davis on the other hand, made some noise bringing in 3-receptions for 48-yards to include a beautiful touchdown grab on a seam route that left him largely uncovered.
       
      Smith did such a good job of looking off the safety that by the time he turned back to fire down field, Davis was running free and clear into the end zone.
       
      Another hero on the day was Dustin Hopkins. All he did was kick a 6-yard field goal, the longest of his career. I asked the coach if he had discussed the kick with Hopkins prior to making the decision. Gruden told me it was special teams coach Ben Kotwica who proclaimed Hopkins ready.
       
      “I thought it was a 53-yarder,” said Gruden. “When I heard it was a 56-yarder I thought about calling a timeout.
      He didn’t and Hopkins made him look smart.
       
      The Redskins fare best when they score first. They must be aware of this as they started red hot, jumping out to a 17-point lead before the Panthers got off the snide.
       
      A total of 9-unanswered points later, Washington scored early in the fourth quarter to bring the lead back to 11. That lasted officially 1-drive, as the Panthers marched down with relative ease to score a touchdown and bring the game within 3.
       
      Washington then mounted another drive to register another field goal to take the lead back to 6.
       
      Then a defensive stand was needed.
       
      Carolina was able to move the back to the midfield with relative ease. Washington tightened up and it all came down to a 4th-and-5 at the Redskins 16 with 38-seconds remaining.
       
      That was as far as they would go as Cam Newton skimmed the ball off of the field for a harmless incomplete.
       
      It was a much need win. It keeps the Redskins in 1st place in the division at 3-2 with Dallas coming to town next Sunday.
       
      What’s not to like?  
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On 5/11/2018 at 12:16 PM, Koolblue13 said:

Much more Jason Seahorne ols

If he ends up being Jason Seahorn that would be amazing as he was an All-Pro level player in his prime.

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Archuleta was more athlete than football player. People get enamored with athletic white guys (look at Dion Sanders reaction). I remember videos of Archuleta jumping off roofs in workout videos. That is where the comparison comes in, they don’t look fluid and natural on the field, bad angles missed tackles mis diagnose plays. Reed Doughty was the opposite. He was in good position took correct angles he just didn’t have the speed strength or vertical to be a really good starter. 

I am rooting for Apke but if he is starting any games at free safety in the next two years I will be worried. I hope he is a special teams pro bowler for years to come!!!!! 

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37 minutes ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

Archuleta was more athlete than football player. People get enamored with athletic white guys (look at Dion Sanders reaction). I remember videos of Archuleta jumping off roofs in workout videos. That is where the comparison comes in, they don’t look fluid and natural on the field, bad angles missed tackles mis diagnose plays. Reed Doughty was the opposite. He was in good position took correct angles he just didn’t have the speed strength or vertical to be a really good starter. 

I am rooting for Apke but if he is starting any games at free safety in the next two years I will be worried. I hope he is a special teams pro bowler for years to come!!!!! 

Archuleta was a great football player, you don't go from walk-on to a three year starter (along with significant playing time as a RS freshman) and one of the best linebackers in college football if you are more athlete than football player. You don't make the all-rookie team (at a different position than you played in college) unless you are a football player more than an athlete. Safeties, especially strong side ones, often don't last long. Archdeluxe biggest issue was that he was a LB in a DB's body.  Laron Landry was among the best for about 3+ years and then had an awesome 5th though that was probably due to PEDs.  Bob Sanders was the best SS in 2007 but injuries took away 2006 and would spend the bulk of this last 4 on IR.

 

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14 hours ago, httrcirca87 said:

If he ends up being Jason Seahorn that would be amazing as he was an All-Pro level player in his prime.

I think he's going to be a Matt Bowen type player.  Bowen was a little long and lanky like Apke and they both share the ability to be aggressive.  He should be great on special teams and he should develop into a quality backup at the least.  Looking forward to what Torian Gray can do with him.  

 

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On 5/14/2018 at 12:41 PM, sjinhan said:

Forget Archuletta... I am hoping that Troy Apke will be this generation's more athletic Reed Doughty.

 

We got alot of playing time out of Reed Doughty.. Too bad he was physically limited...  If Apke turns out to be Doughty type of contributor but just little more physically talented then we got a good value of this pick!

Reed Doughty was pretty terrible.  I actually find it quite remarkable that our defense was so bad for a good number of consecutive years that Doughty continued to be a starter at Safety. 

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@-JB-He was limited athletically, but he was intelligent and made an impact vs the run.  His limitations meant he couldn’t always/usually get to where he needed to be in coverage and he didn’t have the length/leaping ability to challenge taller receivers.  Of course, he’d have been better against the run too with more athleticism (size/speed/burst).  

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12 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

@-JB-He was limited athletically, but he was intelligent and made an impact vs the run.  His limitations meant he couldn’t always/usually get to where he needed to be in coverage and he didn’t have the length/leaping ability to challenge taller receivers.  Of course, he’d have been better against the run too with more athleticism (size/speed/burst).  

I agree. I will never forget when our defensive coordinator had him one on one with Andre Johnson in the end zone. He was in perfect position but was just physically mismatched beyond belief. 

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Doughty was a good backup, he was just forced to be a starter way too much.  The coaches could count on him to be where he was supposed to be, if his role had been to come in for a few snaps after someone got a stinger we likely would have a different memory of him.

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1 hour ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

I agree. I will never forget when our defensive coordinator had him one on one with Andre Johnson in the end zone. He was in perfect position but was just physically mismatched beyond belief. 

AKA - He was terrible.  LOL

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We draft a white safety and immediately he is the next (insert past white safety name here)

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This thread is becoming aids. Lets make it a disease that is almost irradicated because of community efforts to realize Apke is tight hipped and needs to be better at recognizing plays. If Apke can be 38% of what Kendall Fuller in the hips/recognition department we have a player. Not counting on it. Hope he will. 

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15 hours ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

 (look at Dion Sanders reaction)

The reaction at the combine?.. during apkens 40 yard dash?..that reaction?..it was absolutely bull **** and I was offended..flip the script and I promise the race card is out..

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7 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

....that reaction?....it was absolutely bull **** and I was offended....

 

 

seriously?   offended? 

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5 hours ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

This thread is becoming aids. Lets make it a disease that is almost irradicated because of community efforts to realize Apke is tight hipped and needs to be better at recognizing plays. If Apke can be 38% of what Kendall Fuller in the hips/recognition department we have a player. Not counting on it. Hope he will. 

 

I've seen no scouting analysis anywhere, or tape, to suggest that he is tight hipped. He looks like a super fluid athlete. If anything, I think he looks too lithe and not thick enough to play against the run. I think any difficulties he has will be secondary to lack or experience and feel for the game at safety. He has only been a defensive player since, what, his sophomore year of colllege? You can't expect his instincts to be where they need to be yet. 

 

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6 hours ago, bakedtater1 said:

The reaction at the combine?.. during apkens 40 yard dash?..that reaction?..it was absolutely bull **** and I was offended..flip the script and I promise the race card is out..

That’s right!  Tell ‘em why you mad!  

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7 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

I've seen no scouting analysis anywhere, or tape, to suggest that he is tight hipped. He looks like a super fluid athlete. 
 

Bleacher report and Cooley specifically mention his change of direction being stiff, nfl draft profile says he may lack the lateral agility foe man coverage. Look I'm not trying to beat up on the kid, but I didn't make it up. 

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8 hours ago, 10 said:

 

 

seriously?   offended? 

Yes..boy can run..I can't say what I want cause we're on national TV but ya he can run..like I said flip the script and ya got the race card

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19 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

Yes..boy can run..I can't say what I want cause we're on national TV but ya he can run..like I said flip the script and ya got the race card

 

:angry:

 

Can we get this discussion back on football? 

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I am shocked we made it until page 4 of the mid round white safety draft pick thread, before it got ugly and political. Good jerb. 

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1 hour ago, bird_1972 said:

 

:angry:

 

Can we get this discussion back on football? 

Don't look at me like that..I'm just responding to someone's comment..and besides everything I was talking about has to do with football

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Not to beat up on Apke, but I would have taken Durham Smythe at that pick.  

 

Davis and Reed are set to earn over 15 mil next year (2019) and both have some concerns going forward - age and injuries, respectively, but also struggles with blocking.  Would have liked to have another guy in house to get up to speed by then.  Have hope for Sprinkle, but he hasn’t proven himself as a pass catcher, or proven he’s ready for a top 2 role (let alone number 1).  Cap’s going to be an issue and that’s a good place to try to save money IMO.  

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