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      And we are back!
       
      Hello boys and girls, welcome to another year of Washington Redskins football, home-team style.
       
      My name is JimmiJo and I am joined by my shuttered compatriot, Spaceman Spiff. Together we bring you the sights and sounds of Redskins preseason football. Tonight represents the first home installment for Washington. I will be looking for fan enthusiasm, tho it is difficult to gauge interest-level from the preseason. These are the games that the season ticket holders give to their siblings and coworkers.
       
      Tonight may be different as we expect Alex Smith to play. The pundits keep telling me he is Kirk Cousins only better. That will be awesome if so. 
       
      We are quickly filling the list with season-ending injuries, with Washington losing three projected contributors in the first week of preseason. This wince-producing stat is made worse when we consider the projected contributions of Derrius Guice, now lost for the year.
       
      All he was brought here to do was resurrect the Redskins' rushing game. 
       
      This for me is the biggest area of concern for me. The running game has got to get better for this team to have any reason success this year.
       
      Stand by for Inactives...
       
      An hour later I remember they don't do inactives in the preseason. Hey, it's preseason for us too!
       
      Not much to report. Very sparse crowd so far. But given it is a work-night and rush hour is just wrapping up on the beltway I am not surprised we are not overflowing with people yet.
       
      The Redskins appear to be wearing burgundy tops and mustard bottoms, for those keeping score at home. The Jets meanwhile, are sporting white tops and green bottoms.
       
      So far just the kickers and long snappers are warming up from both teams. 
       
      The hot, sunny day is giving way to a warm, breezy evening. Should be fairly pleasant viewing conditions for those coming out.
       
      Kickoff

      It is about that time. Follow along in-game on Twitter @Skinscast
       
      Half
       
      Alex Smith looked sharp, going 4-6 for 48-yards and a 91 passer-rating. 
       
      But that's not the story of this game.
       
      The story is the injuries that continue to mount to running backs. Samaje Perine had an impressive 30-yard run. Then limped off to be evaluated for an ankle sprain. Next was Byron Marshall.  A lower leg injury they say.
       
      The Redskins are suffering the worst run of injuries this early maybe ever. 
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I am not sure how much we learned tonight. I take that back.
       
      Kevin Hogan, whom I had taken to calling ‘Nogan,’ somehow produced a lovely comeback victory with no time to spare. Way to send them home happy.
       
      Beyond the excitement at the end I am not sure we learned much.
       
      Alex Smith is exactly who we thought he was. Smith went 4-for-6 for 48-yards and a passer rating of 91. There was some excitement on his first call from scrimmage, when Smith play actioned the handoff and kept the ball on a bootleg, he turned to setup to hit Paul Richardson and instead received a face-full of Jets’ linebacker Jordan Jenkins. Smith completed the pass to Richardson and Jenkins was handed a 15- roughing call.
       
      The offense are exactly who we thought they are. Feckless in the redzone; unable to produce anything but field goals. Even when the stars did align, with Colt McCoy connecting Cam Sims, area spectacular touchdown catch; cruel fate intervened with a chickenscratch procedure call.
       
      The injuries are exactly what we feared they could be. Why is it every running back who goes for 30-yards on a single play comes up limping? Samaje Perine ran for 30-yards on his one carry on the night.
       
      The next time he was seen was on the way to the locker room to have an ankle looked at.
       
      Then there was Byron Marshall. He barely got into the game before coming out with a leg injury.
       
      After the first few drives Washington did very little offensively until they had to at the very end.
       
      And as little as this preseason game meant, it was nice to see the valiant stop at the goal line. It was even nicer to see Mr. Hogan lead the team down the field and to victory.
       
      Oh yea, we learned one more thing - Dustin Hopkins can kick field goals.
       
      Hail!
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On 5/11/2018 at 12:16 PM, Koolblue13 said:

Much more Jason Seahorne ols

If he ends up being Jason Seahorn that would be amazing as he was an All-Pro level player in his prime.

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Archuleta was more athlete than football player. People get enamored with athletic white guys (look at Dion Sanders reaction). I remember videos of Archuleta jumping off roofs in workout videos. That is where the comparison comes in, they don’t look fluid and natural on the field, bad angles missed tackles mis diagnose plays. Reed Doughty was the opposite. He was in good position took correct angles he just didn’t have the speed strength or vertical to be a really good starter. 

I am rooting for Apke but if he is starting any games at free safety in the next two years I will be worried. I hope he is a special teams pro bowler for years to come!!!!! 

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37 minutes ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

Archuleta was more athlete than football player. People get enamored with athletic white guys (look at Dion Sanders reaction). I remember videos of Archuleta jumping off roofs in workout videos. That is where the comparison comes in, they don’t look fluid and natural on the field, bad angles missed tackles mis diagnose plays. Reed Doughty was the opposite. He was in good position took correct angles he just didn’t have the speed strength or vertical to be a really good starter. 

I am rooting for Apke but if he is starting any games at free safety in the next two years I will be worried. I hope he is a special teams pro bowler for years to come!!!!! 

Archuleta was a great football player, you don't go from walk-on to a three year starter (along with significant playing time as a RS freshman) and one of the best linebackers in college football if you are more athlete than football player. You don't make the all-rookie team (at a different position than you played in college) unless you are a football player more than an athlete. Safeties, especially strong side ones, often don't last long. Archdeluxe biggest issue was that he was a LB in a DB's body.  Laron Landry was among the best for about 3+ years and then had an awesome 5th though that was probably due to PEDs.  Bob Sanders was the best SS in 2007 but injuries took away 2006 and would spend the bulk of this last 4 on IR.

 

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14 hours ago, httrcirca87 said:

If he ends up being Jason Seahorn that would be amazing as he was an All-Pro level player in his prime.

I think he's going to be a Matt Bowen type player.  Bowen was a little long and lanky like Apke and they both share the ability to be aggressive.  He should be great on special teams and he should develop into a quality backup at the least.  Looking forward to what Torian Gray can do with him.  

 

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On 5/14/2018 at 12:41 PM, sjinhan said:

Forget Archuletta... I am hoping that Troy Apke will be this generation's more athletic Reed Doughty.

 

We got alot of playing time out of Reed Doughty.. Too bad he was physically limited...  If Apke turns out to be Doughty type of contributor but just little more physically talented then we got a good value of this pick!

Reed Doughty was pretty terrible.  I actually find it quite remarkable that our defense was so bad for a good number of consecutive years that Doughty continued to be a starter at Safety. 

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@-JB-He was limited athletically, but he was intelligent and made an impact vs the run.  His limitations meant he couldn’t always/usually get to where he needed to be in coverage and he didn’t have the length/leaping ability to challenge taller receivers.  Of course, he’d have been better against the run too with more athleticism (size/speed/burst).  

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12 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

@-JB-He was limited athletically, but he was intelligent and made an impact vs the run.  His limitations meant he couldn’t always/usually get to where he needed to be in coverage and he didn’t have the length/leaping ability to challenge taller receivers.  Of course, he’d have been better against the run too with more athleticism (size/speed/burst).  

I agree. I will never forget when our defensive coordinator had him one on one with Andre Johnson in the end zone. He was in perfect position but was just physically mismatched beyond belief. 

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Doughty was a good backup, he was just forced to be a starter way too much.  The coaches could count on him to be where he was supposed to be, if his role had been to come in for a few snaps after someone got a stinger we likely would have a different memory of him.

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1 hour ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

I agree. I will never forget when our defensive coordinator had him one on one with Andre Johnson in the end zone. He was in perfect position but was just physically mismatched beyond belief. 

AKA - He was terrible.  LOL

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We draft a white safety and immediately he is the next (insert past white safety name here)

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This thread is becoming aids. Lets make it a disease that is almost irradicated because of community efforts to realize Apke is tight hipped and needs to be better at recognizing plays. If Apke can be 38% of what Kendall Fuller in the hips/recognition department we have a player. Not counting on it. Hope he will. 

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15 hours ago, EasternNCbywayofNOVA said:

 (look at Dion Sanders reaction)

The reaction at the combine?.. during apkens 40 yard dash?..that reaction?..it was absolutely bull **** and I was offended..flip the script and I promise the race card is out..

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7 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

....that reaction?....it was absolutely bull **** and I was offended....

 

 

seriously?   offended? 

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5 hours ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

This thread is becoming aids. Lets make it a disease that is almost irradicated because of community efforts to realize Apke is tight hipped and needs to be better at recognizing plays. If Apke can be 38% of what Kendall Fuller in the hips/recognition department we have a player. Not counting on it. Hope he will. 

 

I've seen no scouting analysis anywhere, or tape, to suggest that he is tight hipped. He looks like a super fluid athlete. If anything, I think he looks too lithe and not thick enough to play against the run. I think any difficulties he has will be secondary to lack or experience and feel for the game at safety. He has only been a defensive player since, what, his sophomore year of colllege? You can't expect his instincts to be where they need to be yet. 

 

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6 hours ago, bakedtater1 said:

The reaction at the combine?.. during apkens 40 yard dash?..that reaction?..it was absolutely bull **** and I was offended..flip the script and I promise the race card is out..

That’s right!  Tell ‘em why you mad!  

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7 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

I've seen no scouting analysis anywhere, or tape, to suggest that he is tight hipped. He looks like a super fluid athlete. 
 

Bleacher report and Cooley specifically mention his change of direction being stiff, nfl draft profile says he may lack the lateral agility foe man coverage. Look I'm not trying to beat up on the kid, but I didn't make it up. 

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8 hours ago, 10 said:

 

 

seriously?   offended? 

Yes..boy can run..I can't say what I want cause we're on national TV but ya he can run..like I said flip the script and ya got the race card

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19 minutes ago, bakedtater1 said:

Yes..boy can run..I can't say what I want cause we're on national TV but ya he can run..like I said flip the script and ya got the race card

 

:angry:

 

Can we get this discussion back on football? 

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I am shocked we made it until page 4 of the mid round white safety draft pick thread, before it got ugly and political. Good jerb. 

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1 hour ago, bird_1972 said:

 

:angry:

 

Can we get this discussion back on football? 

Don't look at me like that..I'm just responding to someone's comment..and besides everything I was talking about has to do with football

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Not to beat up on Apke, but I would have taken Durham Smythe at that pick.  

 

Davis and Reed are set to earn over 15 mil next year (2019) and both have some concerns going forward - age and injuries, respectively, but also struggles with blocking.  Would have liked to have another guy in house to get up to speed by then.  Have hope for Sprinkle, but he hasn’t proven himself as a pass catcher, or proven he’s ready for a top 2 role (let alone number 1).  Cap’s going to be an issue and that’s a good place to try to save money IMO.  

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