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It's one of those things that continuously puzzles me. That one of our political parties can consistently support any measure that will lower the wages of American workers. And will get more than 2% of the vote. 

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3 hours ago, Larry said:

It's one of those things that continuously puzzles me. That one of our political parties can consistently support any measure that will lower the wages of American workers. And will get more than 2% of the vote. 

...but abortion and guns. Oh, forgot school prayer. 

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13 hours ago, visionary said:

 

If their Facebook page created for the strike is any indication this might be a bit premature to state it’s over.  Kinda like what happened in WV. 

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Last week, Manatee County voters approved a 1 millage increase in property taxes that will generate 33 million dollars for the school board.  That money will go to teacher salaries.  It will increase the average teachers pay about 6k per year.

 

It passed 52-48.

 

This from a county that voted 57-39 for Trump

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On ‎3‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 8:52 AM, Major Harris said:

If their Facebook page created for the strike is any indication this might be a bit premature to state it’s over.  Kinda like what happened in WV. 

 

Do you have any idea how happy it makes me that you are largely responsible for the type of socialist revolution I've wanted for 20+ years?

 

Send me a picture. I'm making Che Guevera style shirts out of them.

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47 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

Do you have any idea how happy it makes me that you are largely responsible for the type of socialist revolution I've wanted for 20+ years?

 

Send me a picture. I'm making Che Guevera style shirts out of them.

 

Putting that Penn education to good use.

 

 

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Seems like a reasonable place to put this.

 

http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/the-continuing-attack-on-workers-rights-the-janus-case

 

"Later this year, the United States Supreme Court will decide a lawsuit filed by Mark Janus, a public employee in the State of Illinois. Janus is arguing that he cannot be forced to pay a representation fee to a public sector union as a condition of employment by the state. If the court rules in favor of Janus, as is widely expected, it will be yet another blow against unions, further weakening workers’ power.

 

Under current law, the federal government gives states the option of allowing “agency shop” provisions in contracts under which everyone who is covered by a union contract. Twenty-four states, including California and New York, allow such contracts.

 

These contracts make it easier for unions to organize and to be a strong presence in the workplace since they prevent workers from being able to freeload. Without an agency shop provision, workers would be able to get the pay and benefits negotiated by the union, and even the right to have union representation in disputes with management, without having to pay a penny for those union supports.

 

While most workers support their union and will pay representation fees without being required by a contract, recent experience indicates that between 20 to 30 percent of workers will take the freeloading option. This hugely weakens the union if they lose 20 to 30 percent of their revenue. It is likely to make them a less effective agent for members and will almost certainly result in fewer unions in the public sector."

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@PeterMP   We’ve been watching the Janus decision.  Here’s the thing.....WV is a right to work state.  They can not require us to be in a Union.  And many teachers are not.  And we did it. 

 

@Lombardi's_kid_brother

 

The Gazette used one of my pictures for a crowd sourced video series documenting the strike.  Where’s Major? @ approximately 3:00 mark.  

 

 

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I believe it. It was bound to happen and this is likely the beginning. 

 

The GOP mother ****ers have robbed the people of this country and triggered a 30+ year long wealth transfer to their donor base. 

 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-teachers-spending-20180402-story.html

 

I am going to be giving campaign contributions to as many pro-union candidates in red states this election season as much as I possibly can. Enough is enough.

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9 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

I believe it. It was bound to happen and this is likely the beginning. 

 

The GOP mother ****ers have robbed the people of this country and triggered a 30+ year long wealth transfer to their donor base. 

 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-teachers-spending-20180402-story.html

 

I am going to be giving campaign contributions to as many pro-union candidates in red states this election season as much as I possibly can. Enough is enough.

Ojeda for US Congress from WV.  Republicans can not stand him. 

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I had posted about my county recently voting to raise taxes to pay teachers more.  What I didnt mention was this-

The 5 members of the School Board all supported it and were the driving force behind the PAC.  2 of the 5 were not elected, but rather were APPOINTED by the Republican Governor of the state.  2 more are members of the Local GOP (though not the Tea Party). 

 

Guess who opposed it until a week or two prior to the election?  Yup.  The local teachers union.  Why?  Because the proposal was going to increase the school days by 30 minutes to add more STEM time.  At least that was the publicly stated reason.  My opinion is that they opposed it because they will now lose a major excuse they use when negative stats come out.

 

The problem with Unions is almost always it's leadership and activities related to things outside of their purview.

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No teachers ever chose their profession to become wealthy.  I think 100 percent of educators would confirm that.  I would also stretch to say that i dont think teachers ever should be wealthy or very highly paid.  I think it would attract the wrong type of personalities to the profession.  That might be a separate conversation however.

 

I digress, what irks me is the double standard almost all republicans have when it comes to teachers vs other public servants.  Mention cops or firefighters and its all hands on deck... raises, pensions, whatever they want.  My county recently approved, overwhelmingly, a raise for prison guards and a pension.  Prison guards!!!

 

Meanwhile, teachers in this country making 40k (which isnt even a real living wage) and they are constantly **** on by politicians.  I saw one from arizona say on the nightly news this week say "we have a lot of other financial needs right now" in reference to the teachers potential pay raise.  Can you imagine one of these gop lawmakers saying that in reference to police or firefighters?  Unimaginable.  Beat cops are making more than teachers nowadays.  Its nothing for a police veteran to make 6 figures where i live.... without any management responsibilities.  A veteran teacher would make $43k.  I know because thats what my wife makes.

 

And how about that conservative ****stain we all know who immediately starts talking about the teachers he had geowing up, and how they were all lazy?  This coming from the douche that eeked by with a C average.  Mention blue lives matter though and this ****sucker will ask where to send the check

 

The GOP needs to start redefining the term `hero`.  Because they have their heads firmly planted in their own ass on the issue.

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20 minutes ago, zoony said:

 

I digress, what irks me is the double standard almost all republicans have when it comes to teachers vs other public servants.  Mention cops or firefighters and its all hands on deck... raises, pensions, whatever they want.  My county recently approved, overwhelmingly, a raise for prison guards and a pension.  Prison guards!!!

 

 

I never thought about it this way before. I do think teachers are criminally underpaid but I never thought to compare them to other public servants. Cops I think I can get. Along with firefighters, that's a pretty dangerous job and I think you should be compensated accordingly. I still don't think they are paid enough to be honest. But I never thought to compare teachers to them. 

 

I think you get those politicians because of the voters. Republican voters tend to side with authority figures more than educational ones from my experience. Cops yayyy! Liberal colleges booo! I think that plays a role in it. 

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1 minute ago, Llevron said:

think you get those politicians because of the voters. Republican voters tend to side with authority figures more than educational ones from my experience. Cops yayyy! Liberal colleges booo! I think that plays a role in it. 

 

There is an epidemic of thought among conservatives who think they succeeded in spite of their education, not because of it.  I would submit that these people ar ****ing morons.  Ironic i guess.

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2 hours ago, Major Harris said:

Ojeda for US Congress from WV.  Republicans can not stand him. 

 

Ojeda is awesome and I am most definitely contributing to him.

 

I have a particular dislike of all the baby boomer Democrats who got ****ing curb stomped by the GOP on the issue of unionization and labor rights in this country. I really hope we see a wave of pro-labor Democrats in 2018 and 2020.

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It already got mentioned in this thread, but "Starve the Beast" is a great slogan, until the services YOU (collectively) rely are rendered part of said beast. 

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3 hours ago, zoony said:

 

I digress, what irks me is the double standard almost all republicans have when it comes to teachers vs other public servants.  Mention cops or firefighters and its all hands on deck... raises, pensions, whatever they want.  My county recently approved, overwhelmingly, a raise for prison guards and a pension.  Prison guards!!!

 

Cops and firefighters and prison guards vote Republican. 

 

Thats also why why union busting red states make it illegal for government workers to unionize, except for cops and firefighters. 

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