visionary Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-guns-idUSKBN19033X?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=593b61e004d3010325363e3b&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter Quote Florida governor signs bolstered 'stand your ground' law Florida Governor Rick Scott signed amended "stand your ground" legislation on Friday, making it easier for defendants in the state to successfully claim they were protecting themselves when they commit violence. Â Previously, the law required defendants to prove that they were using force in self-defense. The new law shifts the burden of proof in pretrial hearings to prosecutors, rather than defendants, to prove whether force was used lawfully. Quote Scott, a Republican, signed the amended legislation into law along with a spate of other measures passed this week in a special session of the state's legislature. The measure was largely passed by party-line vote in the legislature. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Can't have someone accidentally getting prosecuted for murdering a black guy I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Maybe someone will stand their ground in front of Rick Scott. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 So now every murder case puts an additional burden on the state to prove, not only this person murdered this other person, but that it couldn't have been in self defense? Seems poorly thought through, but I'm not a lawyer. Â Curious what issue was pitched to resolve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, tshile said: So now every murder case puts an additional burden on the state to prove, not only this person murdered this other person, but that it couldn't have been in self defense? Seems poorly thought through, but I'm not a lawyer.  Curious what issue was pitched to resolve...  The issue of shootings in self defense being charged with murder.  If you do not have sufficient evidence you should not charge....really quite simple. It is a undue burden on a basic right.....like a poll tax.  pretty sure it is the more likely than not standard.  add  It really does not add to the State's burden of proof(just requires it exist earlier), it reduces the State's ability to indict a ham sandwich   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 OK I know you all automatically reacted negatively to this but really this has no effect. Prosecutors were under this constraint anyway. This was just a political stunt by Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Can't have someone accidentally getting prosecuted for murdering a black guy I guess. Black people ages 10 and up are scary and have super powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, nonniey said: OK I know you all automatically reacted negatively to this but really this has no effect. Prosecutors were under this constraint anyway. This was just a political stunt by Scott. It has no effect except..... on overzealous prosecution. 1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said: Â Black people ages 10 and up are scary and have super powers. Â I thought black people were disproportionately affected by overzealous prosecution? Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They should make mental gymnastics an Olympic event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, dfitzo53 said: They should make mental gymnastics an Olympic event. Â So many competitors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Well, I mean, isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of the cornerstones of our legal system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: Well, I mean, isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of the cornerstones of our legal system? Only when it's something I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: Well, I mean, isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of the cornerstones of our legal system? I was going to say the same thing, more or less. Â Shouldn't it already be upon the state to prove that the charges of murder are actually that anyhow? Â This new law just seems redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, PokerPacker said: Well, I mean, isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of the cornerstones of our legal system? 1 hour ago, Popeman38 said: Only when it's something I agree with. ...and when a certain threshold of melanin isn't reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Springfield said: I was going to say the same thing, more or less. Â Shouldn't it already be upon the state to prove that the charges of murder are actually that anyhow? Â This new law just seems redundant. Where I live, according to how I understand it, the state just has to prove you killed the person. Which in self defense cases is not really in dispute. You have to prove you did it for lawful reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 This is about the charging stage, some prosecutors prefer to charge despite evidence it was more likely than not self defense. which places a undue burden on the defendant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 7 hours ago, PokerPacker said: Well, I mean, isn't "innocent until proven guilty" one of the cornerstones of our legal system? Seems to have fallen out of favor lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Just thinking outside the box...Palm Beach County is filled to the gills with douchey silver-spoon tough guy clowns. This might have a silver lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.