AsburySkinsFan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Ugh....I wish Mueller would hurry this up and bring this all to a close, he's just fishing and wasting everyone's time and money. What has he accomplished in this partisan witch hunt. ***channeling @twa*** 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) I thought that too (Dershowitz), but that line was not a direct quote, so I'm hesitant to get too excited about that particular development. Edited September 14, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Kushner's Secret Service guy looked like he wanted to be anywhere else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, visionary said: Oh now, that can't be good news for Trump. Now Mueller is unsealing Nixon grand jury reports to Congress to lay out his plan as he goes forward.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, FanboyOf91 said: BOBBY THREE STICKS! Out of all of the (many) things I've read today about Manafort, I think I love this the best. Mueller's investigation is going to cost the taxpayers NOTHING. It's like getting all of your Xmas presents for free. Edit. And, you know, helping to preserve the democratic foundations of our country, free of corruption and foreign influence, for free. Which is also nice. Edited September 14, 2018 by PleaseBlitz 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Ugh....I wish Mueller would hurry this up and bring this all to a close, he's just fishing and wasting everyone's time and money. What has he accomplished in this partisan witch hunt. ***channeling @twa*** Yeah it cracks me up how the right keeps saying stuff like this, considering that it's a complete 180 of reality (though I suppose that shouldn't be surprising in the Trump era). This has easily been the single most efficient and successful Special Counsel/Prosecutor investigation in US history when you look at the timeline and number of successful indictments. Edited September 14, 2018 by mistertim 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoulSkin Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, visionary said: Natasha Bertrand tweet Not sure how Manafort could participate in undercover activities at this point, but OK. Maybe she meant that she thinks that verbiage means he already has? Anyhow. I love Bob Mueller Fridays! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SoulSkin said: Not sure how Manafort could participate in undercover activities at this point, but OK. Given how hilariously stupid the Trumpies have shown themselves to be, it would probably work on them. Edited September 14, 2018 by mistertim 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Oh, I hear that next week is Infrastructure Week...should be good. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mistertim Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Holy ****. Manafort gave up the farm in this deal. He must have seen the evidence and known that Mueller and Co. had him dead to rights and he was 100% ****ed otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) Edited September 14, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860648/paul-manafort-plea-deal-cooperating-mueller-trump Manafort is cooperating with Mueller. 8 legal experts explain what that means for Trump. A sample: Quote Jed Shugerman, law professor, Fordham University It’s important that Mueller has continued to make sure that a presidential pardon won’t save Manafort. Manafort is pleading guilty to only two charges — conspiracy and witness tampering — but he is conceding to the other facts in the “criminal information,” which establish money laundering and mention the money laundering statute. So Manafort would still face slam-dunk state charges for money laundering, bank fraud, state tax fraud, and other crimes if he were to receive a presidential pardon (which affects only federal crimes). I’m wondering what Manafort has told Mueller as part of this deal. Manafort is still giving up a lot in this deal, forfeiting millions in assets, which probably cannot be returned by a pardon, either. But he may get reduced sentencing for cooperation. I’m most focused on two episodes. The first is the Trump Tower meeting in June. Does Manafort have information that Trump knew about the meeting in advance? I’ve written before that such advance knowledge would be the key step in establishing felony conspiracy against the United States. The second is whether Manafort played a role in changing the Republican platform on Russia and Ukraine during the campaign, and what, if anything, Trump may have known about it. That might be part of a quid pro quo case. And of course, there may be a lot more Manafort can tell prosecutors about Trump’s involvement. I doubt that prosecutors would make any cooperation agreement without full cooperation and without cooperation on the core Russia investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DogofWar1 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mistertim said: Holy ****. Manafort gave up the farm in this deal. He must have seen the evidence and known that Mueller and Co. had him dead to rights and he was 100% ****ed otherwise. "You'll be in jail even if you live to 100, and at the jail we'll put you in, you won't want to live for that long. Alternatively, couple years in minimum security, and you can spend the 2nd half of your 70's with your grandkids in witness protection." What's impressive here is how thorough Mueller is. Asset forfeiture really seals the deal, Manafort can't get that back in a pardon. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I'm getting happier by the day. ? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I was really happy this morning to tune into MSNBC and hear that Manafort was indeed going to plea and cooperate with other investigations. Kinda ruins Trump's weekend, doesn't it? Unless it's raining in the DC metro area and he flies out to play golf at one of his other courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: I was really happy this morning to tune into MSNBC and hear that Manafort was indeed going to plea and cooperate with other investigations. Kinda ruins Trump's weekend, doesn't it? Unless it's raining in the DC metro area and he flies out to play golf at one of his other courses. On our dime. I hate that ****er. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FanboyOf91 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) As we enter the weekend, remember, Agent Orange: Edited September 14, 2018 by FanboyOf91 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Mueller is competing with Alex & Adrian for my Favorite Person of the Week Award. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, DogofWar1 said: "You'll be in jail even if you live to 100, and at the jail we'll put you in, you won't want to live for that long. Alternatively, couple years in minimum security, and you can spend the 2nd half of your 70's with your grandkids in witness protection." What's impressive here is how thorough Mueller is. Asset forfeiture really seals the deal, Manafort can't get that back in a pardon. I think the asset forfeiture cuts both ways. What do you want to bet that Mueller, in exchange for cooperation, is going to leave him with enough money to live out his life comfortably and set up his kids okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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