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Just now on NFL Network "hot" no news is Kirk and Garcon to San Fran because Kyle is there now and that makes sense...ugh! How can they forget Gruden is still here who gave Kirk the nod to start!

 

It must be a slow news day as they keep on talking about Brandon Marshall. Then an hour later they are breaking the news at the top of the hour that Brandon is going to be a Giant. Apparently they have nothing else to talk about. 

 

I need to switch the channel to something else...lol

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1 hour ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

Usually there's just your standard fare of dysfunction.  This offseason has been oddly different.  The hints of dysfunction are there, but there's nothing concrete to any of the rumors.  It's almost like the fans and media are just looking for things to freak out about to keep up with the history of this franchise under Snyder.

 

Yep, in my field we refer to this as classical conditioning.  Think Pavlov's dogs.

 

Anyway, just trying to take the Zorn approach right now:  Stay medium.  And off Twitter.

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If you were Cousins which team would look more attractive?  The Redskins....or the 49ers with Garcon, Alshon Jeffries, Jeremy Kerley, Carlos Hyde and maybe Christian McCaffrey.  Add Andrew Hawkins who had his best year at Cleveland with Kyle as OC who is also a FA.  49ers could have an explosive offense from the get go IMO.  Oh...and add Brian Hoyer as the backup quarterback or placeholder until 2018 for Cousins who also played at Michigan State and was followed by Cousins. 

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More attractive: the coach who stood on the table for him and demanded he be his starter, and who's offense has allowed him to set most meaningful team passing records, and has guided the team to consecutive winning seasons, and chances at the postseason..

 

 

or a bunch of free agents, an inexperienced head coach, an owner who has done his best to outperform Dan Snyder's record of stupidity in his first few years, and a GM with no experience that just got his GM name tag in the mail yesterday.
A horrible offensive line that won't allow much time to throw to those free agents, and a defense that was actually worse than ours.

 

 

Stability, or a messy model of what the Redskins used to be.

Money will be the same... so which seems more attractive?

 

Seems obvious to me.

 

~Bang

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I'm sure this will help :rolleyes:

 

 

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Aaron Rodgers finally starts jostling for new contract

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Rodgers has, for the first time since signing a new deal four years ago, acknowledged that it’s time for a new contract.

He made the comments on the radio with Jason Wilde of ESPN Wisconsin. The most relevant sound bite emerged regarding the news that quarterback Mike Glennon could soon cash in during free agency.

 

Asked whether that should result in contract talks for Rodgers, he said, “I think it has to.”

 

Contract talks for Rodgers already are long overdue. Last July, after Colts quarterback Andrew Luck became the highest-paid player in league history, I made the case for Rodgers getting a new deal. After Rodgers led the Packers from 4-6 to the NFC title game, I made the argument once again that Rodgers should be getting more than $25 million per year.

 

Actually, he should be getting $30 million per year, based on the increases in the cap since the last time he signed a new contract. Since 2013, the cap has rocketed from $123 million to $167 million.

 

The problem for Rodgers is that he already has signed a contract that runs through 2019. He’ll make $13.65 million this year, $20.9 million next year, and $21.1 million in 2019. If the team chooses to take a hard line, he’ll have to ask himself whether he’s willing to withhold services during the voluntary portions of the offseason program and/or during mandatory minicamp and training camp in order to get what he wants.

 

The Packers hopefully are smart enough to realize that, given the spike in the cap, Rodgers is worth far more than he’s getting. Still, the biggest lesson flowing from Rodgers’ current predicament is that the league’s best players need to start insisting on compensation tied to a percentage of the cap. Franchise tags currently are calculated on that basis. Why shouldn’t the total salary of a given player (especially a great player like Rodgers) be tied to how much money the team has available to spend?

 

Others have tried, beginning with Darrelle Revis in 2010. No one has agreed to do it, yet. The refusal possibly flows from the mandates of the Management Council to the various team. (That would be impermissible collusion, but good luck proving it.)

 

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2 hours ago, zskins said:

When Cooley said he thinks Scot is drinking

That's not what he said anyway...

 

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On topic, there is no reason for the 49ers to trade for Kirk. Just build the team this year and sign him next offseason. All Cousins has to do is tell Bruce he's not signing a LTD with us and we are ****ed. 

 

We can't even trade him if so because he'd have to work out the long term deal with the other team and if he doesn't want to be traded to that team, he just won't agree on the deal. 

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29 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

That's not what he said anyway...

 

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On topic, there is no reason for the 49ers to trade for Kirk. Just build the team this year and sign him next offseason. All Cousins has to do is tell Bruce he's not signing a LTD with us and we are ****ed. 

 

We can't even trade him if so because he'd have to work out the long term deal with the other team and if he doesn't want to be traded to that team, he just won't agree on the deal. 

Waiting a year is risky. If he gets a shot at a long term deal that fits what he's looking for this year, he'll take it.

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1 hour ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

Yep, in my field we refer to this as classical conditioning.  Think Pavlov's dogs.

 

Anyway, just trying to take the Zorn approach right now:  Stay medium.  And off Twitter.

 

Yeah because that worked so well for our Franchise.....where is Zorn again?

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30 minutes ago, XtremeFan55 said:

If you were Cousins which team would look more attractive?  The Redskins....or the 49ers with Garcon, Alshon Jeffries, Jeremy Kerley, Carlos Hyde and maybe Christian McCaffrey.  Add Andrew Hawkins who had his best year at Cleveland with Kyle as OC who is also a FA.  49ers could have an explosive offense from the get go IMO.  Oh...and add Brian Hoyer as the backup quarterback or placeholder until 2018 for Cousins who also played at Michigan State and was followed by Cousins. 

Who Is on SAN Fran's oline? Please tell me! Might as well get health insurance with the defenses in that division! Hahahah 

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This Cousins situation is getting beyond a joke, for goodness sake just make your mind up Allen either way, we finally have cap money to spend and you are going to ---- it all up. Just at least tell us what you are hoping to do, the whole NFL world is laughing at our franchise, sign Cousins to a LTD now and shut all them no it alls up once and for all. 

 

HTTR 

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9 minutes ago, kost203 said:

Who Is on SAN Fran's oline? Please tell me! Might as well get health insurance with the defenses in that division! Hahahah 

From left to right, starting 49er OL:

LT: Shmoe, Joe

LG: Shmuckley, Clarence

C: Jones, Whiffer

RG: Elewonibi, Moe

RT: Agnes, Sister Mary

 

~Bang

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13 minutes ago, srtman04 said:

 

Yeah because that worked so well for our Franchise.....where is Zorn again?

 

I think that you confused a reference to a catch phrase for a recommendation.  Try again. :) 

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Yeah, all of this talk of SF seems to blatantly ignore just what a bad decision this would be for both.  For Kirk, he would have less time to throw and fewer people to throw to.  Unless he wants to hurt himself and destroy his NFL future, why go to the 49ers?  if he actually wanted out, it would make much more sense to wait another year, and just hit free agency and get to chose a better team.

 

For SF, they mortgage their draft picks and pick up a premium position player who they cant build around because they just gave away the picks they could use to do that.  For neither party does it make sense.  Im not saying people always make sense, but if just one of the two was wise it wouldnt happen.

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36 minutes ago, kost203 said:

Who Is on SAN Fran's oline? Please tell me! Might as well get health insurance with the defenses in that division! Hahahah 

 

Joe Staley LT 5x Pro Bowl

Zane Beadles LG 1x Pro Bowl 

Trent Brown RT  6'8" 360 lbs.  Von Miller said in interview that Trent Brown was the toughest blocker he faced and has a great future

Joshua Garnett RG 1st round draft pick 2016 from Stanford. Won Outland Trophy.

Daniel Kilgore C.  Dont know much about him

 

Oline doesn't look that bad.  Didn't Redskins once have interest in Zane Beadles because he had experience with zone blocking?

 

Hey add Nick Mangold in FA then they might be in good shape there.  Defense is going to take some work

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KC should also understand whatever money he gets for SF he should bounce that off what the Redskins final offer is.  If it is less how much less because CA taxes will take a much bigger bite out of his salary than say VA taxes.  He may actually make more when taxes are considered.

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11 minutes ago, TheGreek1973 said:

KC should also understand whatever money he gets for SF he should bounce that off what the Redskins final offer is.  If it is less how much less because CA taxes will take a much bigger bite out of his salary than say VA taxes.  He may actually make more when taxes are considered.

 

Nice catch. CA ranges from 2-13% in state income tax, while Virginia caps at 5-6%? Not insignificant.

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4 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said:

 

Nice catch. CA ranges from 2-13% in state income tax, while Virginia caps at 5-6%? Not insignificant.

Lets say he was making 20 million in San Fran versus 20 million here, would come out to at least 1.4 million less per year based on state tax rates if Virginia is capped at 6%.

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2 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said:

Lets say he was making 20 million in San Fran versus 20 million here, would come out to at least 1.4 million less per year based on state tax rates if Virginia is capped at 6%.

 

Didn't scare Garcon off.....

 

with 4 NFL teams in California somebody has to play and pay...

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Kirk will stay a Redskin. LTD will get done. The numbers are going to be record breaking though. Book it. 

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I've heard that there is the local "entertainment tax" that is venue specific, and that players could make less on away games if such taxes are high where the game is being played.

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While the hang-up with Kirk might technically be about money, its about way more than money.  Stability, respect, etc.  I highly doubt the state income tax has entered his thought process.

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Who cares what the whole NFL world thinks of this team right now. 

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1 minute ago, TheBlueIndian said:

Who cares what the whole NFL world thinks of this team right now. 

The precious free agents we desperately need to acquire to field a competent defense and most likely offense as well.

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31 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

While the hang-up with Kirk might technically be about money, its about way more than money.  Stability, respect, etc.  I highly doubt the state income tax has entered his thought process.

 

Nothing about Cousins makes me think he is greedy and trying to wring as much as he can out of the Redskins.  I think he just wants to move to another team and start fresh somewhere else.  Holding out for max money and making it known that he would only sign a LTD with 49ers is the only way to force his freedom.  Wouldn't surprise me to see Cousins take less per year but with high guaranteed money to sign with 49ers.  It is just a strategy.....   No different than Alex Mack playing the Browns to escape to Atlanta after being franchised.  Mack just didn't want to waste his career in Cleveland.

 

or look at Kevin Durant.  Could have made more staying in Oklahoma...but chose to take less and also pay the high California state taxes by signing with Golden State

 

People have their reasons.....and 5 years in Washington must have been enough for Cousins.  He witnessed the nasty split with the Shanahans whom he supported.   Who knows what else goes on around there.  I heard enough stories of Snyder standing by the locker room door after losing a game and glaring at the players.  Who wants to live with that...especially if your are the highest paid player on the team and have a bad game....

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5 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

The precious free agents we desperately need to acquire to field a competent defense and most likely offense as well.

 

This is again, dramatic. Most of these free agents are worried about money. If it's right, they'll come regardless. 

 

People are like "well why would they go to a team with Colt McCoy" for the same reason free agents sign with teams that have QBs like Jared Goff, Brock Osweiler, Blake Bortles, etc.  They like money. 

 

Unless the team is a sure-fire contender every year like the Patriots we are talking semantics in a lot of these situations

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