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10 hours ago, Larry said:

 

As opposed to, say, having hundreds of armed people show up in town?  For no reason at all, of course. Just to be ready, IN CASE the evil government did anything they objected to. 

Why are we talking about a Trump rally?

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21 hours ago, Gamebreaker said:

Yes, how dare they care about clean water. They should count themselves lucky we didn't make them extinct, amiright? 

The court ruled construction can continue. The "protesters" are trying to stop construction. They are breaking the law to do so. You can't just decide to ignore the courts decision and do whatever you want whenever you disagree with the court, and not expect consequences. 

Doesn't matter if you are protesting for clean water. They went to court and lost. Breaking the law and ignoring the court will result in consequences. I disagree with the use of dogs, but the pepper spray? If you force construction to halt and wait for the police to remove the protesters, you just laid out a framework to perpetually shutdown the worksite, illegally.

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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/01/500268879/more-than-a-million-check-in-on-facebook-to-support-the-standing-rock-sioux

 

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More Than 1 Million 'Check In' On Facebook To Support The Standing Rock Sioux

More than 1 million people have "checked in" on Facebook to the Standing Rock Indian Reservation page, in a show of support for the tribe that has been rallying against construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Most of the "visitors" are not actually at the protest camp in North Dakota, where the tribe and its supporters are gathering to oppose the pipeline. The planned route crosses the Missouri River just upstream of the reservation, and the tribe says it could contaminate drinking water and harm sacred lands. Facebook allows people to check in to places even if they are not physically present.

 

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/army-corps-reroute-dakota-oil-pipeline/

 

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Obama says Army Corps examining potential reroute of Dakota oil pipeline

BISMARCK, N.D. — President Barack Obama says the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is examining whether the four-state Dakota Access oil pipeline can be rerouted in southern North Dakota to alleviate the concerns of American Indians.

Obama told the online news outlet NowThis that his administration is monitoring the situation closely but will “let it play out for several more weeks.”

“As a general rule, my view is that there is a way for us to accommodate sacred lands of Native Americans, and I think that right now the Army Corps is examining whether there are ways to reroute this pipeline,” Obama said an interview Tuesday.

 

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Dakota Access pipeline protester 'may lose her arm' after police standoff

A 21-year-old woman was severely injured and may lose her arm after being hit by a projectile when North Dakota law enforcement officers turned a water cannon on Dakota Access pipeline protesters and threw “less-than-lethal” weapons, according to the woman’s father.

Sophia Wilansky was one of several hundred protesters injured during the standoff with police on Sunday on a bridge near the site where the pipeline is planned to cross under the Missouri river.

Graphic photographs of her injured arm with broken bones visible were circulated on social media.

“The best-case scenario is no pain and 10-20% functionality,” said Wayne Wilansky, Sophia’s father, who travelled to Minneapolis where his daughter underwent eight hours of surgery on Monday. He said his daughter had been hit by a concussion grenade thrown by a police officer and that the arteries, median nerve, muscle and bone in her left arm had been “blown away”.

Sophia will require additional surgery in the next few days and her arm may still have to be amputated, he added. “She’s devastated. She looks at her arm and she cries,” he said.

Sophia Wilansky is one of thousands of activists who have travelled to the Standing Rock Sioux reservation in North Dakota to attempt to halt the construction of the pipeline. Members of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe established a “spiritual camp” on the banks of the Missouri in April. The tribe fears the pipeline will jeopardise their water supply and say that construction has disturbed sacred burial grounds.

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from a purely generic view, i have a serious problem with a company going through all the correct processes, including legal battles in court and federal government agencies conducting studies and subsequently approving of the project, only to have protestors allowed to do this and even go so far as forcing said government agency 'reconsider' their position based solely on people being unhappy with the results.

 

i think it's important to consider that a considerable amount of time and money was spent doing it the right way, and what sort of loss is being incurred by the company because of this mess.

 

it's wholly unfair how this is playing out.

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I am all for preservation of lands and waterways. A company shouldnt be able to build a plant up river and not be held accountable for the pollution and damage they cause down stream. 

 

I am 100% with the NA not wanting their source of water to be contaminated and the larger interest of protecting our natural lands. But this Dakota pipeline isnt putting a plant or mining facility on the river. Its a pipeline running 92 feet below the river bed with increased pipe thickness. Can we never put a pipeline under a river? 

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The protesters say they object to the pipeline’s being close to the water intake of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation. However, this should be of no concern as it will sit approximately 92 feet below the riverbed, with increased pipe thickness and control valves at both ends of the crossing to reduce the risk of an incident, which is already low.

 

Just like the companies that run the 10 other fossil-fuel pipelines crossing the Missouri River upstream of Standing Rock, Energy Transfer Partners—the primary funder of this pipeline—is taking all necessary precautions to ensure that the pipeline does not leak.

But even if there were a risk, Standing Rock will soon have a new water intake that is nearing completion much further downstream near Mobridge, South Dakota.

 

From the outset of this process, Standing Rock Sioux leaders have refused to sit down and meet with either the Army Corps of Engineers or the pipeline company. The Army Corps consulted with 55 Native American tribes at least 389 times, after which they proposed 140 variations of the route to avoid culturally sensitive areas in North Dakota. The logical time for Standing Rock tribal leaders to share their concerns would have been at these meetings, not now when construction is already near completion.

 

The original pipeline was always planned for south of Bismarck, despite false claims that it was originally planned for north of Bismarck and later moved, thus creating a greater environmental danger to the Standing Rock Sioux.

The real reasons for not pursuing the northern route were that the pipeline would have affected an additional 165 acres of land, 48 extra miles of previously undisturbed field areas, and an additional 33 waterbodies. It would also have crossed zones marked by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration as “high consequence” areas, and would have been 11 miles longer than the preferred and current route.

 

http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/17/the-facts-about-the-dakota-access-pipeline-that-protesters-dont-want-you-to-know/

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Pipelines always leak, it's just not reported to regulatory bodies, or the problem is downplayed. We the public aren't informed. Just like fracking is breaking up bedrock and polluting creeks and rivers.

 

The oil industry has outlived its usefulness and we must develop massively alternative energy sources.

So what if it's been though the courts, which are servants of corporate interests, just like our government.

Of the People, by the People, and for the People, those words mean nothing.

Of the corporations, by the Corporations, and for the Corporations, that's out system of Government now and you're about to get a right big dose of it.

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Pipelines are all over the place and rarely leak , fracking is safe if done properly...science denier :)

 

oil will be a major factor long past my life, not just gasoline and oild but also plastics and other base manufacturing materials

Don't believe me ya can ask the real experts.:kickcan:

 

 

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12 hours ago, zoony said:

I disagree. This case was fought and lost in our judicial system. The protestors are breaking the law, period

I've had a running theme in many threads concerning just what the hell people are calling protests these days.  Trespassing and forcing people to stop something you don't like simply because you're mad and demand that it be so, isn't protected speech or assembly.  It never has been.  These people could be safely screaming their heads off in front of any government buildings demanding construction cease and I'd back them 100%.  Instead they are trying to get to where construction crews are working and trying to force them to leave by via intimidation, sabotage, and physical interference. 

 

It's really not hard to see the absurdity here.  Imagine this same tactic used against any left wing cause and picture what the subsequent thread here would look like.  Just picture what a hoard of frenzied right wingers forcing their way in, screaming at everyone, and refusing to leave until all activity their was canceled before clashing with police.  Terrifying... and I'm fairly certain no one would call that a peaceful protest. 

 

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