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2017 Comprehensive NFL Draft Thread

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19 minutes ago, BobGriffin said:

Is everyone down on Malik Mcdowell due to intangibles? I would hesitate to write him off completely he's only 20 so he's still growing as a person. On the football field though, he is a monster when motivated. Depending on who was available I wouldn't be opposed to picking him. 

 

"When motivated"....that's a problem.    Can't draft him at #17

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1 hour ago, Bonez3 said:

My feelings on the LB bust of the 1st round is going to be Reddick. Talk about no position, guy might be better off at SS. He's the kid I'm passing on all day.

 

SS?  At 6'1", 237?  Why don't you think he can be an effective ILB?

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7 minutes ago, SkinsPassion4Life said:

 

"When motivated"....that's a problem.    Can't draft him at #17

 
 

 

Well like I said in my previous post he's 20 so I would hope that we have the coaching to get the most out of him as he his still growing as a person. Also, Michigan State was a really bad team last year, he competed while injured, and was the only player likely to get drafted at all in that front seven. There were instances where he would defeat a double team, force the running back to stop momentum/redirect but then his teammates were washed out/cut down allowing for a big gain. My point isn't to make excuses for him but to provide the context surrounding this"lack of effort" perception. 

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1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

SS?  At 6'1", 237?  Why don't you think he can be an effective ILB?

Point being, I don't know where you'd put him because he isn't gonna be an effective edge rusher. I was being somewhat facetious.

 

@stevemcqueen1 We're just gonna have to differ on opinions here about foster, love this time of year. One of my favorite highlights of Foster is a botched hook and lateral. Most players would have blown up the receiver. He was right on top of that and when he saw a broken attempt to the lateral player he simultaneously goes after him. Instinct and football sense. Plus, you don't tackle as good as Foster without having 'good football instinct'. That in and of itself is one of the greatest indicators a guy can play. Also, one of the reasons I'm not high on 2 of the highly regarded safeties in the draft, Hooker and Adams

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2 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

Point being, I don't know where you'd put him because he isn't gonna be an effective edge rusher. I was being somewhat facetious.

 

The team that drafts him is likely going to play him at ILB.  He could be a legit beast there.  I hope its us.

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@HTTRDynasty Like I said last week, I watched all his film on draft breakdown, from philly area, I just don't see anything on film that gets me excited.

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5 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

@HTTRDynasty Like I said last week, I watched all his film on draft breakdown, from philly area, I just don't see anything on film that gets me excited.

 

But you were watching film of him in a position he probably won't be playing in the NFL.  Most who are high on Reddick are high on him as an ILB, or do-everything LB, similar to Jamie Collins. 

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It's that unknown that worries me with Reddick. Like I said,I'll take the thumping Foster 8 days a week. I know what I'm getting there

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4 hours ago, BobGriffin said:

Is everyone down on Malik Mcdowell due to intangibles? I would hesitate to write him off completely he's only 20 so he's still growing as a person. On the football field though, he is a monster when motivated. Depending on who was available I wouldn't be opposed to picking him. 

It sounds like the making of the next haynesworth which is a positive and a negative. 

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10 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

It's that unknown that worries me with Reddick. Like I said,I'll take the thumping Foster 8 days a week. I know what I'm getting there

I have a feeling the 16 teams drafting before us probably feel the same way though. We can hope!

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2 hours ago, Bonez3 said:

@HTTRDynasty Like I said last week, I watched all his film on draft breakdown, from philly area, I just don't see anything on film that gets me excited.

Oh yeah? Where abouts?

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PFF

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-haason-reddick-lb-temple/

Bottom line: Reddick is an explosive athlete that can consistently win the edge when rushing the passer, and has the physicality to get off blockers at all three levels. While teams will certainly want to take advantage of his pass-rush ability first, he also shows the instincts, speed and change of direction to help on coverage drops as well. Because of this, he is a scheme-independent player, and despite his frequent overrunning of plays, he warrants selection in the first round.

 

https://billypenn.com/2017/03/05/temples-haason-reddick-just-won-the-nfl-scouting-combine/

This is a former defensive back who has been playing a little bit of linebacker, a lot of defensive end, and he’s going to transition to back to linebacker,” Zierlein explained during a recap of Reddick’s performance in Indianapolist. “I think he can play 4-3 WILL, I think he can play 3-4 inside ‘backer and I think he can play 3-4 outside linebacker or rush ‘backer on sub packages.

“He’s the new face of NFL versatility,” Zierlein said. “A guy that can play all over the field and really be a weapon for a creative defensive coordinator to deploy.”

 

 

I am ok with Reddick at #17.  I am with Cooley in that they need to bring in a pass rusher who can bring some consistent heat.  And in my view,  preferably a pass rusher with a quick step and speed versus another power rusher.  I admit I don't know if Reddick is an easy conversion to MLB.  However, the reason why I think he's a safe pick is even if he's a third down specialist who can come off the edge or the middle -- it fills a big need.  If the dude ultimately can play MLB -- he strikes me as the perfecf swiss army knife for this defense.  He's a different level athlete than the pass rushers we have on the team.  Among other things this team IMO desperately needs speed.

 

Hasson Reddick

4.52 40 yard dash

24 bench presses

11.1 broad jump

 

Preston Smith

4.74 40 yard dash

24 bench presses

10.1 broad jump

 

Ryan Kerrigan

4.71 40 yard dash

31 bench presses

10.2 broad jump

 

Trent Murphy

4.72 40 yard dash

19 bench presses

9.10 broad jump

 

 

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1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

Oh yeah? Where abouts?

South Jersey... 

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FWIW 40 times for linemen/edgerushers/linebackers are a terrible stat.  The 10 yard split off the 40 is good, but vertical leap and short area explosion are much more important. Reddick has that too so whatever lol

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What are people's thoughts on drafting Eddie Jackson in the mid rounds?

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11 minutes ago, Rogue Jedi said:

What are people's thoughts on drafting Eddie Jackson in the mid rounds?

 

If he's fully going to recover from the injury, which I think he does, then it's a very good pick IMO

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I'm warming up to Reddick. He'd be my 2nd choice after Foster as far as LBs go.

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1 hour ago, SkinsPassion4Life said:

I'm somewhat intrigued by TJ Watt...thoughts?

 

Round 2-3 tape, but pretty evident to me that he has serious upside. Measurables suggest teams can move him around a bit instead of playing strictly EDGE. Easy comparison is Clay Matthews, I think Watt is a little more versatile but nothing like the bend Clay had in his prime years. Injuries have ravaged Clay's career. That two year run he had a few years back, man that dude was a menace. Anyways, I'd be disappointed if we selected him at 17, but wouldn't hate grabbing him in mid-20's due to trading back. Defense still needs a lot of help 

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Our next GM :) weighs in with his latest top 5 picks. J. Peppers is the top safety?  

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794141/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings-20?campaign=tw-cf-sf64633630-sf64633630

 

 

Interior DL

 

1. Jonathan Allen, Alabama 
2. Caleb Brantley, Florida 
3. Malik McDowell, Michigan State 
4. Larry Ogunjobi, Charlotte 
5. Chris Wormley, Michigan

 

Edge rusher

 

1. Myles Garrett, Texas A&M 
2. Solomon Thomas, Stanford 
3. Derek Barnett, Tennessee 
4. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA 
5. Tim Williams, Alabama

Rise: Thomas (4), McKinley (5)
Fall: Williams (2)

 

Linebacker

 

1. Reuben Foster, Alabama 
2. Haason Reddick, Temple 
3. Jarrad Davis, Florida 
4. Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt 
5. Alex Anzalone, Florida

Rise: Davis (4)
Fall: Cunningham (3)

 

Cornerback

 

1. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State 
2. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama 
3. Kevin King, Washington 
4. Gareon Conley, Ohio State 
5. Fabian Moreau, UCLA

Rise: Lattimore (2), Humphrey (3), King (NR), Conley (NR), Moreau (NR)
Fall: Sidney Jones, Washington (1, added to special exceptions), Teez Tabor, Florida (4), Tre'Davious White, LSU (5)

 

Nickel

 

1. Budda Baker, Washington 
2. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado 
3. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan 
4. Desmond King, Iowa 
5. Damontae Kazee, San Diego State

 

 

 

Safety

 

1. Jabrill Peppers, Michigan 
2. Jamal Adams, LSU 
3. Malik Hooker, Ohio State 
4. Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut 
T-5. Marcus Williams, Utah 
T-5. Marcus Maye, Florida

Rise: Peppers (3), Melifonwu (5), Williams (NR), Maye (NR)
Fall: Hooker (1) , Budda Baker, Washington (4, added to nickel)

Special exceptions

 

1. Adoree' Jackson, USC 
2. Curtis Samuel, Ohio State 
3. Sidney Jones, Washington 
4. Jake Butt, Michigan 
5. Joe Mixon, Oklahoma

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I'm probably in the minority here but I would be ecstatic if we drafted Joe Mixon in the second.  Can't excuse or justify his past but if he's still on the board when we pick in the 2nd round, I don't see how you can pass on that talent.  

I wouldn't be surprised if he's picked late in the 1st round or early second, GB (29) or CLE (33). 

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18 minutes ago, pray4surf said:

I'm probably in the minority here but I would be ecstatic if we drafted Joe Mixon in the second.  Can't excuse or justify his past but if he's still on the board when we pick in the 2nd round, I don't see how you can pass on that talent.  

I wouldn't be surprised if he's picked late in the 1st round or early second, GB (29) or CLE (33). 

I'd say if he's there in the 3rd go and take him.  Too much baggage to draft earlier considering we are the redskins and we have enough bad media attention as it is.  But 3rd round?  I'll take the risk.  

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@SkinssRvAIf he's still there in the third that would be even better.  I just don't see him dropping that far.  I see this as a great opportunity for us to get an explosive pass catching 3 down back without using our fist day pick.  

Initially he will probably be a PR nightmare but time heals all wounds.  

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53 minutes ago, pray4surf said:

@SkinssRvAIf he's still there in the third that would be even better.  I just don't see him dropping that far.  I see this as a great opportunity for us to get an explosive pass catching 3 down back without using our fist day pick.  

Initially he will probably be a PR nightmare but time heals all wounds.  

 
 
 

 

I think you may well be right about him going the second. Said it before, he's the clear most talented back in this class for me. Just the baggage that keeps him out the first. 

 

Interesting it was only the Vikings who really looked interested the OU pro-day. But I think they'll be a lot of teams working him out on the quiet who didn't want to show their hand to avoid the criticism in Norman. 

 

Personally, I wouldn't want him because I just have a thing with guys who hit woman. But having said that, he's been squeaky clean the last three years since save for a parking violation and has done a lot of work with various woman's groups/ shelters. Stoops, after initially regretting not kicking him out, speaks REAL high of his character so he has been trying to atone ever since that horrible act. But I also know, being an OU fan, just what a talent he is. And I'm not naive to not know there comes a point where that talent level is just too goods to turn down. 

 

If we bagged him at 49 nobody could deny we'd bagged a MASSIVE steal on a bona fide top 20, if not top 10 talent. Whatever ones reservations about the baggage that comes with him and the person that brought that around. 

 

Hail. 

 

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We absolutely have to go DLine in at least one of the first 2 rounds.  There is no way around it.  The other should really be on D also, either at safety, ILB, or also on the DLine.  From that point we can take BPA.  I think if we had picked up a top DLine in FA that would have given us more freedom, but I think theres no way we can take a RB or WR in round 1, and I think there is no way we will considering what Allen said about the Doctson pick(which I think hes dead wrong on).

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