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https://www.google.com/amp/baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/all-charges-dropped-against-all-remaining-officers-in-freddie-gray-case/amp/?client=safari

Silly rabbit. You actually thought the so-called justice system was going to do anything to the cops? So I guess dude broke his own neck then.

It's the magic. self-neck breaking man. How did he do it?!

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Given:

It seemed they staggered the cases in order of easiest to prosecute -> hardest to prosecute, so that they could use the earlier tried people to testify against the people tried at the end

They couldn't get any of the first 3 cases to be convicted on anything

 

it only seemed logical they would do this. it seemed the later cases needed testimony from the cops in the previous cases, and they weren't going to get that unless they got convictions and could barter time for testimony. they couldn't get those convictions.

 

and given the prosecutions public statements it surely doesn't seem like they weren't trying.

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Given:

It seemed they staggered the cases in order of easiest to prosecute -> hardest to prosecute, so that they could use the earlier tried people to testify against the people tried at the end

They couldn't get any of the first 3 cases to be convicted on anything

 

it only seemed logical they would do this. it seemed the later cases needed testimony from the cops in the previous cases, and they weren't going to get that unless they got convictions and could barter time for testimony. they couldn't get those convictions.

 

and given the prosecutions public statements it surely doesn't seem like they weren't trying.

Blue wall of silence? What blue wall of silence.

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Blue wall of silence? What blue wall of silence.

 

 

I'm not saying it's right or anyone should be happy, or that the lack of convictions or dropping of cases speaks to the overall issue of police interactions with black men.

 

Just that given the way these trials went this was likely inevitable. I imagine it's in part a move by Mosby to try to salvage her career because she was already taking a lot of flak for how she went about this and/or the results to date, and continuing on when it looked like it was only getting harder to get a conviction on anything would have just made it worse for her.

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Guys in handcuffs regularly shoot themselves in the back while sitting in police cars.  Why is this a shock to anyone?

Did you hear about the guy who shot himself 3 times in the back with a bolt-action shotgun?  Declared a suicide, I **** you not. 

Apparently, anything (no, really...ANYTHING) can happen.

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https://www.google.com/amp/baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/all-charges-dropped-against-all-remaining-officers-in-freddie-gray-case/amp/?client=safari

Silly rabbit. You actually thought the so-called justice system was going to do anything to the cops? So I guess dude broke his own neck then.

 

Rules of evidence and burdens of proof are a ****, aren't they?

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Rules of evidence and burdens of proof are a ****, aren't they?

Especially when the blue curtain lies about them. Do you honestly believe he threw himself around the back of a van with the intent of framing police?

And if you do believe that, how the **** do you get through a day around rational humans?

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Rules of evidence and burdens of proof are a ****, aren't they?

Which is why many in the black community found Dallas and Baton Rouge to be justice as well. Not me of course, but many in the black community do. So when Officer Friendly stops for lunch or donuts and tastes something a bit off in his coffee, just remember, rules of evidence and burden of proof and such. 

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Especially when the blue curtain lies about them. Do you honestly believe he threw himself around the back of a van with the intent of framing police?

And if you do believe that, how the **** do you get through a day around rational humans?

 

You don't have clue what how our justice system works. What evidence was produced at any point in time indicating that the police lied here?

 

Here's the bottom line, and its going to be a tough pill for you a lot of people here to swallow.  This entire "incident" was caused, investigated, prosecuted, and adjudicated by the black community.  You have a black victim.  3 of the 6 six officers charged by the State's Attorney were black, including the driver who was alleged to be the "most responsible" of the 6.  Two of white officers had little to do with this, but somehow were still charged.

 

The investigation was conducted by the State's Attorney's Office, specifically with Marilyn Mosby, a black woman, taking the lead.  On the police's end, a black female officer was given the duty to perform their investigation. Let's not forget that the Mayor of Baltimore City, who is ultimately responsible for the Police Department, is also black. Officer Porter's (a black officer) trial ended in a hung jury.  Once the other five saw that, they elected to waive their right to jury and take their chances with the Judge.  Judge Williams (a well respected black jurist, and an attorney who had prosecuted police misconduct in the past) considered the facts and the evidence in the 3 most recent cases, and determined that there was no evidence whatsoever to substantiate the charges against Goodson (the black driver, and allegedly most culpable), Nero (a white bicycle patrol officer) or Rice (a white Lt. that ordered the pursuit and arrest). It wasn't even close. Most people in the legal community were skeptical of the charges up front, and the first bench trial demonstrated the paucity of evidence that the State's Attorney had elected to rely upon in bring these charges. 

 

If you are looking to place blame somewhere, the first place you should look is directly at Marilyn Mosby.  Not only did she fail to obtain a single conviction, this entire prosecution reeked of political motivations.  Mosby saw her big moment to play hero, and she took it.  With that came promises to her constituents (the black community in Baltimore) that these officers would be made to pay for the death of Freddie Gray.  They wanted their pound of flesh by any means necessary, and she was willing to give it to them. The entire time she either knew, or should have known, that she couldn't follow through. Yet she continued this charade, ordering her underlings (at least she realized her own inexperience) to try these cases. These orders, handed down by Mosby, have likely destroyed the lives of each of these six officers, despite their respective acquittals/dismissals. She had no concern whatsoever for the lives of those men.  She misrepresented her ability to obtain "justice" for the black community in Baltimore City, and she certainly did not obtain justice for Freddie Gray or his family.

 

Rules of evidence, evidentiary burdens, presumptions, rules of discovery, and due process of law apply to the police to the same extent that they apply to ordinary citizens. You cannot simply disregard these principals, or make up new ones, or demand a lynching, once a police officer is charged . Be angry if you want, no one will begrudge anyone that, but any fair, logical person understands that Judge Williams applied the proper legal standard, and made the proper the proper findings based upon the evidence presented in these matters.  It was not even close.

Which is why many in the black community found Dallas and Baton Rouge to be justice as well. Not me of course, but many in the black community do. So when Officer Friendly stops for lunch or donuts and tastes something a bit off in his coffee, just remember, rules of evidence and burden of proof and such. 

 

If many in the black community feel that way, as you say, it sounds to me like there's a big problem in the black community.  And if you are suggesting that poisoning police officers is a solution to these problems, well, I guess that just speaks for itself. 

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Rules of evidence, evidentiary burdens, presumptions, rules of discovery, and due process of law apply to the police to the same extent that they apply to ordinary citizens. You cannot simply disregard these principals, or make up new ones, or demand a lynching, once a police officer is charged . Be angry if you want, no one will begrudge anyone that, but any fair, logical person understands that Judge Williams applied the proper legal standard, and made the proper the proper findings based upon the evidence presented in these matters.  It was not even close.

 

If many in the black community feel that way, as you say, it sounds to me like there's a big problem in the black community.  And if you are suggesting that poisoning police officers is a solution to these problems, well, I guess that just speaks for itself. 

Except you're wrong. Due process does not apply to the cops as it does to everyone else. As we've seen in case after case, they're above the law. Please search the cops that need to be fired thread for the links. That being the case, it's not surprising that some will take the law into their own hands.

 

As for the race angle, it's rare that any cop, black or otherwise will side with the truth rather than their brothers in blue. That's OK though. There's a lot more of us than there are of you and you only get to deal with a small slice of society at work. The rest of society deals with you every day. So was that funny taste in your food just your imagination, or something more? Did your bank account get screwed up because your bank sucks or something else? See, there's more to non-violent protest than marching, whining and begging.

 

So yeah, there's a big problem in the black community. It's that we abhor being beaten and shot for no reason just like you do. Maybe we can learn to love it so the system can work smoothly again though.

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Except you're wrong. Due process does not apply to the cops as it does to everyone else. As we've seen in case after case, they're above the law. Please search the cops that need to be fired thread for the links. That being the case, it's not surprising that some will take the law into their own hands.

 

As for the race angle, it's rare that any cop, black or otherwise will side with the truth rather than their brothers in blue. That's OK though. There's a lot more of us than there are of you and you only get to deal with a small slice of society at work. The rest of society deals with you every day. So was that funny taste in your food just your imagination, or something more? Did your bank account get screwed up because your bank sucks or something else? See, there's more to non-violent protest than marching, whining and begging.

 

So yeah, there's a big problem in the black community. It's that we abhor being beaten and shot for no reason just like you do. Maybe we can learn to love it so the system can work smoothly again though.

 

Please continue.

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Of course he's not suggesting that poisoning police officer is a solution to these problems.   Sheesh.   

 

And yes, there is a big problem in the black community, and the problem is that the police ALMOST ALWAYS get acquitted when a black person is killed under strange circumstances.     

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Of course he's not suggesting that poisoning police officer is a solution to these problems. Sheesh.

Noting that the post in question talked about "many in the black community" saw murdered cops as justice.

So "of course" nobody would suggest "poisoning" as justice.

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