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mcsluggo   

It's funny to me that everybody watches this show, but nobody appears to like it.  "I hate X character."  "This plot line sucks."  "Why did X happen the way it did, it would have been better if [the relevant character] ended up as dragon ****."  

 

If you hate it so much, why are you a) watching, and b ) spending so much time talking about it?  Just cut the cord and move on.

 

everybody likes it a LOT in theory, but is appalled that the execution is spinning out of control after a great set-up.   it is stil interesting with all of its flaws.... but GMM Martin needs an awesome editor with a huge nutsack that is willing to drop the hammer (and use the scissors) and make some tough decisions BEFORE the final apocalyptic final episode.   

 

lots of these story lines could be developed in a really cool way.  they can't all be.  tough editorial choices that have to be made.

 

 

 

 

 

and it IS similar to the star wars stuff.... an editor with iron nuts and teh ability to veto Lucas could've made just a few changes to the prequel movies, and they would've been decent to really good.   But that didn;t happen, and they weren't.  

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zoony   

Did you sit around and complain about Judge Wapner's decisions to whoever was in earshot? Because that would be equally annoying.

It was a guilty pleasure, so no. But I used to love it when he would yell at people. Which was every episode.

Please tell me you haven't joined the cult of Martin. Where no criticisms at all can be made about the bestest show ever.

I think the show needs way more critics. The writers and producers are just ****y at this point. They could do an entire season of Varys and Littlefinger squabbling like a couple of old hens and kill every interesting and developed character and you'd love it. Actually I think that was season 3

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The second most disappointing part of last season besides Jon Snow.

 

Did you comment on the tall knight chick or Theon's sister and that mess?

 

Capt Phasma is still around to do something or other, I'm sure.

 

Theon's sister hasn't been seen in ages, right? She and her army got defeated by Ramsay and three dogs, because of course they did.

 

Ramsay and three dogs could defeat Ramsay and 20 good men.

 

Are they really going to back to the Iron Islands after - what - four freaking years?

 

I feel like I need to see this show to the end because 1) I liked it so much once upon and time and 2) I'm so stupidly invested in it now. And, also, individual moments in individual episodes are still awesome.

 

Last year really tried my patience, because I reached the point where I hated everything in Dorne, everything in Mereen, and felt like the stuff at the Wall was cool but insanely repetitive.

 

I don't want to give anything away, but that Ollie kid just gave a really disappointed look to Jon Snow.

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I feel like some folks don't get how story-telling works. You often can't just have things happen. There has to be a journey to get to that point. And while the tv show can cut some corners that the novels can't (or won't) to get there, there are also limits and issues with actors and their contracts and budget and other things that confine them.

That said this season looks to be pretty amazing especially in regards to Sansa and possibly Davos and the Wildlings. Very excited for Bran and whatever he'll be seeing and hopeful that Dany's story won't take too long. It looks fun, and I know there probably was no way around getting involved with the Dothraki again, but I'm sure some will see it as a distraction. Also really interested in what Cersie will be up to.

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It was a guilty pleasure, so no. But I used to love it when he would yell at people. Which was every episode.

Please tell me you haven't joined the cult of Martin. Where no criticisms at all can be made about the bestest show ever.

I think the show needs way more critics. The writers and producers are just ****y at this point. They could do an entire season of Varys and Littlefinger squabbling like a couple of old hens and kill every interesting and developed character and you'd love it. Actually I think that was season 3

 

I don't know who or what Martin is.  And there is a BIG difference between, as you say "no criticisms at all" and what you and others are doing in this thread, which is rattling off a bunch of complaints about how the show isn't what YOU want it to be.  Every post in this thread is why people DONT like the show.  I've never seen a show where people complain so much and KEEP WATCHING.

 

I hate soccer.  Guess what?  I don't watch soccer, and I don't complain and complain and complain how soccer could be made better. I just ignore it.

 

****, and you were complaining about men with vaginas in another thread.  

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zoony   

I don't know who or what Martin is. And there is a BIG difference between, as you say "no criticisms at all" and what you and others are doing in this thread, which is rattling off a bunch of complaints about how the show isn't what YOU want it to be. Every post in this thread is why people DONT like the show. I've never seen a show where people complain so much and KEEP WATCHING.

I hate soccer. Guess what? I don't watch soccer, and I don't complain and complain and complain how soccer could be made better. I just ignore it.

****, and you were complaining about men with vaginas in another thread.

Read mcsluggos post above until it makes sense. Sorry to have offended you, vagina boy.

I feel like some folks don't get how story-telling works. .

This is like when Trump tells us he lives women and they will all vote for him

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lots of these story lines could be developed in a really cool way.  they can't all be.  tough editorial choices that have to be made.

And I think with the source material, this is what Martin may be hung up on. But he's had an ending in mind the whole time ... and he's said the ending will be "bittersweet" ... so I imagine we're building to that ...

 

I trust that this season will be a turning point toward there being some resolution and finality on the horizon ... without that hope I think I'd be similarly frustrated. But try to at least enjoy the ride! We are in the second to last season ... MAYBE third to last ... a lot still has to unfold, but Season 5, for all its up and downs, put a lot of pieces in place that needed to be set for the story to move into the final act.

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I read an article today about the reviews critics are putting out about the premiere (I haven't read any actual articles yet) but apparently one of the centralized points is that most of the footage from the two trailers that have been released are in the first episode ... so clearly a lot of action to unfold this season

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mcsluggo   
 

And I think with the source material, this is what Martin may be hung up on. But he's had an ending in mind the whole time ... and he's said the ending will be "bittersweet" ... so I imagine we're building to that ...

 

I trust that this season will be a turning point toward there being some resolution and finality on the horizon ... without that hope I think I'd be similarly frustrated. But try to at least enjoy the ride! We are in the second to last season ... MAYBE third to last ... a lot still has to unfold, but Season 5, for all its up and downs, put a lot of pieces in place that needed to be set for the story to move into the final act.

 

 

 

that is what has me worried....  I actually liked last season of the TV show, mostly.  

 

it was a HUGE improvement over the the last two books, which it drew material from.  those were 3000 pages of convoluted mess.  with some cool stuff hidden in there (i guess) and the books introduced additional Dornish characters (to name a few) that you couldn;t possibly care about, that you knew were going to be inconsequential --- and then they were indeed inconsequential, and then were killed off.

 

the show just dropped them (thank god).

 

the first 2 (or three? i can't remember) books were AWESOME at setting up a whole bunch of disparate characters and separate story lines, and then magically having them intersect and intertwine and affect each other.   And also, in those books when a key character/story line was unexpectedly killed --- it was shocking and had real impact.

 

in the last two books the story either got too large for the masterful intertwining, or Martin got lazy about intertwining, ...or...something.....   but the whole formula stopped working as well.   

 

 

the same for the TV show.   The show is still great, but not as good as it was, and that is CERTAINLY not as good as was set up --- we expected the build up to lead to ever bigger and greater things, not to get bogged down under its own weight.   

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If Jon Snow does come back from the dead, I hope he's at least moderately psychopathic, and proves it by decapitating Ollie almost immediately after his resurrection. Totally serious.

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mcsluggo   

contrast GOT with breaking bad.   

 

early on i loved em both.   but i loved GOT more.

 

 

then... steadily, breaking bad actually got better and better and better.  Each and every episode was a wonderful movie in its own right, an event, a masterpiece.  AND every single episode while having its own individual climax and excitement -- also moved along the overall show plot toward something bigger.  Each episode was a stand alone gem AND a vital piece to building up a the whole story.   They built up awesome characters that seemed indispensable, and then killed them, BUT they killed them to move the plot along, and did it so masterfully that ...well... it worked.

 

 

Same story for GOT in the first several seasons.   the big death in the first season was a HUGE deal, but not just a death for shock value... it moved every plotline where they had to be moving after that season.   it was both well done for the individual story line, and well done for the series.    I can't always say the same as GOT has progressed.

 

i still love the show.  i'll still watch the show.  but it could be better with a more discipline and better editing.   

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zoony   

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and.... with enough loving attention, my vagina ALWAYS feels better

I think it's PB whose vagina needs attention. Very sore

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Yohan   

I wish they would stop killing off the people I like though:

 

Myranda (Charlotte Hope)

Ygritte (Rose Leslie)

That Wildling lady leader at Harhome

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To be fair to the army of 10,000, it was cold and at night. No much should be expected from them in those conditions.

 

And they'd never experienced winter before, but you know, details. 

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Hersh   

I feel like some folks don't get how story-telling works. You often can't just have things happen. There has to be a journey to get to that point. And while the tv show can cut some corners that the novels can't (or won't) to get there, there are also limits and issues with actors and their contracts and budget and other things that confine them.

That said this season looks to be pretty amazing especially in regards to Sansa and possibly Davos and the Wildlings. Very excited for Bran and whatever he'll be seeing and hopeful that Dany's story won't take too long. It looks fun, and I know there probably was no way around getting involved with the Dothraki again, but I'm sure some will see it as a distraction. Also really interested in what Cersie will be up to.

 

I understand story-telling is a journey, but there doesn't appear to be any progression. Or if there is progression in a characters journey, they seem to kill them off or send them on a sideways journey. Essentially, Cersei is still in power or will be after the Mountain takes care of business, starks are still wandering about, Tyrion is still an outcast, Dany has not grown as a leader and is with another new group and the white walkers are still on their way.   

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Personally glad for once the book isn't out before the season airs. Tired of losers posting spoilers everywhere possible. I've had several things in GoT spoiled for me ahead of time and it really ruins the experience. No, I didn't go reading through a book thread or anything like that. It's literally any thread on any site discussing a recently aired episode and within 5 posts some troll is dropping spoilers because mommy didn't hug him enough.

 

I hope the book doesn't come out until after the season has aired.

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I think it's funny people who haven't actually read Martin's work are complaining about how he can't do storytelling. 

 

I have been a huge critic of Martin's, you can look at the book thread and see me railing against him for basically being a lazy ass, who can't be bothered to finish the greatest professional achievement of his life because some douchebag producer asked him to write an episode for some TV show no one will ever watch, and he keeps accepting invitations to every Comic-Con, Movie-Con, Porn-Con that will invite him. But the bull**** complaining in this thread is epic in it's inaccuracy and outlandishness.

 

Is the source material perfect? Nope. Are the show producers perfect? Definitely not. Is it as bad as people who clearly don't pay attention to the story unless there are a pair of titties on the screen make it out to be? Not at all. 


 

I hope the book doesn't come out until after the season has aired.

 

That book may not come out until after the next season is aired. And at this point, HBO is pretty much writing their own interpretation of the story with probably the same or similar ending as the book would eventually have. 

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Hersh   

I think it's funny people who haven't actually read Martin's work are complaining about how he can't do storytelling. 

 

I have been a huge critic of Martin's, you can look at the book thread and see me railing against him for basically being a lazy ass, who can't be bothered to finish the greatest professional achievement of his life because some douchebag producer asked him to write an episode for some TV show no one will ever watch, and he keeps accepting invitations to every Comic-Con, Movie-Con, Porn-Con that will invite him. But the bull**** complaining in this thread is epic in it's inaccuracy and outlandishness.

 

Is the source material perfect? Nope. Are the show producers perfect? Definitely not. Is it as bad as people who clearly don't pay attention to the story unless there are a pair of titties on the screen make it out to be? Not at all. 

 

That book may not come out until after the next season is aired. And at this point, HBO is pretty much writing their own interpretation of the story with probably the same or similar ending as the book would eventually have. 

 

Yes, we clearly don't pay attention to the story. We are all so stupid. We bow down to your knowledge about a TV show. You should make your own thread about Game of Thrones in which only you are able to post cause that would be way more fun than any conversation going on in here. This way, you don't get so bent out of shape over opinions about a TV show.  

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Yes, we clearly don't pay attention to the story. We are all so stupid. We bow down to your knowledge about a TV show. You should make your own thread about Game of Thrones in which only you are able to post cause that would be way more fun than any conversation going on in here. This way, you don't get so bent out of shape over opinions about a TV show.  

 

So I'm getting bent out of shape for talking about other people, who are very bent out of shape about a TV show? Where was your "it's just a TV show" logic before now? 

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Hersh   

So I'm getting bent out of shape for talking about other people, who are very bent out of shape about a TV show? Where was your "it's just a TV show" logic before now? 

 

We are talking about the show. You are complaining about people on here talking about the show. Figure out the difference.

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We are talking about the show. You are complaining about people on here talking about the show. Figure out the difference.

 

No actually the majority of this thread has been people complaining about the show, the producers, the author, and anyone who doesn't agree that the show is ****. Figure out how to ****ing read. 

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