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How many more games must we win for Gruden to return in 2016?


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Pretty basic thing here. Is the Brother of John's retention for next year already predetermined, or must there be at least some modicum of progress to prevent his dismissal? I think 6-10 could lead either way,7-9 or better buys him another year. But, I think the most likely scenario is 5-11, with our only victory coming afainst the nosediving (or should I say beakdiving) Eagles. Still, this is not a prediction thread for our final record; it is speculating on the minimal threshold our team must achieve to preclude the firing of El Grudo.

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per reports it sounds like its a lock he's back ... but that could be BS. 

 

I say, he HAS to win at least 7. that would mean going 3-3.

 

Only way he survives winning less than the 3  of the remaining 6 is if Kirk shows  improvement every game and ends up with a better than average season. 

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I'd say it's not related to the W/L ratio at the end of the season, but mainly about the quality of the play on the field, and progressions of players. I wouldn't be surprise if right now, the decision as always been made for both him and Cousins to be back in 2016.

Baring a complete meltdown were we get crush 45-10 or so in every game remaining. Even if we go 0-6 but lose due to last second FG, dubious call from the refs, or stuff like that, it would be hard to retain that against him. To me, this year have never been about W/L ratio and making the playoffs or not.

It's not perfect, but there's some progress ongoing. And still lots more to do as well. I wouldn't find it good to rinse everything and start over again...

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He will be back.

He should be back.

We should want him back.

How do you build a house, if you continue to tear apart the foundation.

 

i agree 100%, but we are assuming Jay/the foundation is worthy to build upon. I'm not sure it is ... not yet.  

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i agree 100%, but we are assuming Jay/the foundation is worthy to build upon. I'm not sure it is ... not yet.

No, your assuming the GM is worthy to build on. And the easiest way to let him identify and address the problem areas of the roster is by having a constant baseline system to measure and evaluate talent against.

Firing a coach should be a last resort and used only when every other option has been exhausted.

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Outside of you guys going 1-6 down the stretch, I can't see you guys dumping him.

In my opinion he has to win six games and at least one of those wins needs to come against Dallas. Just my gut, no evidence this is the case... But with better QB play this year, more players on both sides of the ball, Callahan/Cavanaugh, etc. anything less would be unsatisfactory progress by the HC.

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He will be back.

He should be back.

We should want him back.

How do you build a house, if you continue to tear apart the foundation.

To me, this = when a little kid asks, "Why," and a grown-up simply says, "Because." What has Jay done to date to warrant a third year? This team has a golden opportunity to steal a bad division this year. If he can't get them to play two games in a road, better on the road, or consistent why should he get a third year?

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To me, this = when a little kid asks, "Why," and a grown-up simply says, "Because." What has Jay done to date to warrant a third year? This team has a golden opportunity to steal a bad division this year. If he can't get them to play two games in a road, better on the road, or consistent why should he get a third year?

Improved special teams play

Improved QB play

Improved 3rd down conversion percentage

Improved game clock management

Improved o line play

Improved homefield advantage

Holds players accountable and promotes based on performance

Improved media relations (no more leaks)

Competitive gameplanning that has given us a fighters chance in almost every game despite being near the top of the league in injuries to starters.

 

Certainly not a finished product but there's definitley been enough improvement from year 1 to 2 to justify giving him another year to keep building and continue filling in the holes to get a more consistent performance week to week.

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Improved special teams play

Improved QB play

Improved 3rd down conversion percentage

Improved game clock management

Improved o line play

Improved homefield advantage

Holds players accountable and promotes based on performance

Improved media relations (no more leaks)

Competitive gameplanning that has given us a fighters chance in almost every game despite being near the top of the league in injuries to starters.

Certainly not a finished product but there's definitley been enough improvement from year 1 to 2 to justify giving him another year to keep building and continue filling in the holes to get a more consistent performance week to week.

Special Teams = yes, GM SM got Hopkins and fixed a major issue

QB = yes, despite the HC not always putting him in the best position to succeed (I.e predictable first down playcalling, unwillingness to use play action and uptempo to take some deep shots, etc.), Cousins is better this year

3rd Downs = in wins and at home I agree, not true on the road or against better Ds.

Clock management = disagree, this isn't the strength it was first two games.

OL play = yes, Callahan is a wizard.

Home field = has nothing to do with the HC. If the Pats, Panthers or Falcons had been at home? Really, a better HC finds a way to win the opener and is 5-0 at Fed Ex.

Media = they were here last year. Who is gone? Who is new? This is GM SM's presence IMHO.

Accountability = yes, I agree with this.

Injuries = Every coach and team deals with injuries. The whole division is beat up at a time we are getting healthy. Let's see what the next six games bring. I am rooting for him, but my personal opinion is the improvements are inspite of having a boob as a coach, not because of him.

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From a personal perspective, I want Gruden gone because I hate his schemes and play-calling, media personality, and the fact that nepotism has played a key role in his success. From an objective standpoint, I'd say he is safe at 7-9. I firmly believe that a better coach (and staff) would have us at or above .500 right now.

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Wins mean nothing to me. Jim Zorn was 8-8 his first season and we all knew he was not the guy from the start. Spurrier was 7-9 his first year and we knew the way he was hired was flawed! Gruden to me is not the guy and the hiring process was flawed once again! Plus we know he's not McCloughan's guy because he was hired by Brucy Bruce!

Tho year is basically a wash. So I say lets just start over and do it the right way no matter how this season ends. Get the GM to hire HIS guy and let's roll. Stop doing it backwards and waiting years trying to fix it.

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From a personal perspective, I want Gruden gone because I hate his schemes and play-calling, media personality, and the fact that nepotism has played a key role in his success. From an objective standpoint, I'd say he is safe at 7-9. I firmly believe that a better coach (and staff) would have us at or above .500 right now.

Yes, agree 100%. Two winnable division games at home in a row. Put up or shut up time.

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You know, people in Carolina wanted Ron Rivera fired as well.  Wonder how that is working out for them. 

 

I hope they keep him next year, along with Cousins.  Give SM another offseason to draft and bring in some FA's and would be willing to bet next year this team is competing for the playoffs (wait, they are still competing this year for the playoffs) and may well be the best team in the NFC East.

 

I am for DS to finally show some patience and allow the GM to put a team together and to stabilize a franchise which seems to turn over personnel and players way to often in the past.

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No, your assuming the GM is worthy to build on. And the easiest way to let him identify and address the problem areas of the roster is by having a constant baseline system to measure and evaluate talent against.

Firing a coach should be a last resort and used only when every other option has been exhausted.

Nope, no assumption there. GM is proven, coach is not. 

 

Having a baseline is not needed anymore, it's just not. Neither is having a balanced offensive attack, or defense winning championships. These are pretty much myths in today's NFL. 

 

My point is, a successful reboot with a new coach, if done correctly can happen fast. See Tampa, yep Tampa.  They are now balling in Lovie's second year compared to last year.  Rivera turned Carolina around quick.  Arians? He's KILLING. 10-6 his first year. O'Brien went 9-7 his first year. 

 

This being said, I want Gruden to succeed, I want him to stay. I like him a lot. 

 

But, going back to the OP, it should not happen if can't get this team to turn around and win 3 out the next 6 OR if Kirk does not end up having a "good" season. 

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