Jump to content
Washington Football Team Logo
Extremeskins

Watch The Tape


TK

Recommended Posts

Tape don't lie. 

 

 

I understand most of you are still stuck on either what was given up to trade up in the Draft for Robert or you're stuck on the Greatest Troll Job ever, the 2012 season. We're three years past it now. No one has seen the same RG3 since then. You've seen him try to take off & run, only it didn't look like it did when he ran in 2012. He lost his turbo boost when the knee was injured. The hope was he'd get it back. The reality is he didn't. It's gone. It wasn't that he didn't want to run the Read Option, but rather that with shot knees, he couldn't run it. 

 

When you can't run the Read Option, then you transition to a more standard, drop back passer QB. Something he had to learn to do. Gruden is on record from the early off season to sprinkle in some Read Option. They showed it in Week 1 against the Browns with McCoy. RG3 on his last play in Week 2 took off to run, missed seeing three open WRs, looked slow & fumbled without contact. 

 

They tried the shift to a drop back passer with him. He hasn't shown any pocket presence or awareness. He's not there & never really showed any flash in his two Pre Season outings. He's not shown any progression even with QB Coach this year. 

 

When you watch a game live, you don't see everything. When you go back & watch a game on tape when you can slow it down, you'll see a lot more.

 

His knees are shot. His top speed is gone. He's out of steam. He's done. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What is most interesting to me is that so many fans fail to see that he's been done since the first snap in 2013.

2012 was like crack to a fanbase that has been starved for a QB that could do what he did that year. A lot of the fanbase is still riding that high. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Completely agree.  I mentioned it numerous times last.  RG3 is slow.  Not only does he look lost in the pocket, but he gets run down with ease by defensive linemen and linebackers.

 

That knee injury is what ended his career.  The dislocated ankle only compounded it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2012 was like crack to a fanbase that has been starved for a QB that could do what he did that year. A lot of the fanbase is still riding that high. 

 

 

Crack highs only last you about 7 minutes. It was more like peyote.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I kind of understand what you are doing her TK but if you do watch the tape sure you see Robert has regressed since the deviating ACL/MCL injury but you also see how Colt McCoy and Kirk cousins struggled mightily last season. Two Qb started 4 wins last season and neither of those are starting .

People want to sum up rgiiis career in one game -Tampa . But they ignore the fact in RGIiis first game back after injury (Minnesota) we took the lead three times late in the game and the d could not hold on ...

People tal about all the sacks he took . In the shutout in St. Louis the rams sacked the redskins qbs 7 times . Only once was that Qb RGIii .

People rave how well KC played in Philly but in the game against Philly we actually won RGIii was the qb and played fairly well ...

Throughout the offseason we have heard that on no occasion has RGIii been outplayed on the field and every snap pass and fart has been scrutinized .

My point is I know you are trying to justify the qb change but right now this thread deals like just pilling on .

We get it Robert is not the qb anymore - move on

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't care who our QB is, I'm just glad one has actually been handed the reigns and I hope to all that is holy that we don't see QBs rotated in every other quarter.

 

I do love the comments about Kirk having a meltdown. I obviously won't say it hasn't happened, but the Lions game was proof positive that Griffin does the same thing, panics and gets sacked over and over and over again (and then fumbles the ball).

 

I think there were several reasons for the change, Kirk has progressed, can run an NFL offense, isn't easily injured, and showed on Saturday that he can recover from a really negative play or 2.

 

Also, if you break things down, the turnovers between those two, not all that different from what I can tell:

- Griffin 1063 attempts (because the complete number of plays isn't on ESPN, so this is the best I could get) with 55 turnovers (23 INTs and 32 fumbles), TO rate of 5%

- Cousins 407 attempts 25 turnovers: TO rate of 6%

 

Not sure that's enough for me to really worry. Also, less sacks will lower that TO rate for Kirk. 

 

Robert had 37 games he started. That's over 2 seasons.

 

Kirk's had 9 games he started. One game over half a season. 

 

Whether or not you believe it, knowing your the starter probably makes a huge difference, if not just the fact that you are preparing all week as the starter and taking all the snaps. Of course some of those didn't turn out well for either QB, but we've seen less of Kirk. I'm willing to give him a chance.

 

Anyway, I'm done. I haven't unloaded a lot of this because the RG3 thread is so toxic. I hope Kirk plays lights out, I'll even settle for "just not bad", and I hope he grows in the position and the team is better off for it.

 

At this point, I don't know how we'll be, but I'm going to cheer for anyone at QB, even Colt McCoy (though I hope it doesn't come to that).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

jflow, is it counting fumbles as turnovers, regardless of if they were lost or not.  Robert had some fumbles that weren't that dangerous earlier in his career and I remember some posters actually counting his fumbles while only counting Kirk's fumbles lost.

 

I do agree overall that since the pocket transition, he's shown a propensity to fumble and I'd rather he had thrown more interceptions and shown confidence in his reads.

 

We'll see how it all unfolds but the difference between game pressure and practice pressure seems apparent more recently.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You're outta steam. :)

 

I'm gonna need an explanation on here... I know it's supposed to be funny but...

Well... Doesn't matter lol.

 

Completely agree.  I mentioned it numerous times last.  RG3 is slow.  Not only does he look lost in the pocket, but he gets run down with ease by defensive linemen and linebackers.

 

That knee injury is what ended his career.  The dislocated ankle only compounded it.

 

That's my thought as well, in 2012 is elusiveness allow him to buy more time in or out of the pocket (check Giants) and make up for the lack of reading defense and stuff like that.

That was gone the next year where I recall him unable to outrun a DE on a run to the right (was Denver if I'm right).

 

I always thought as well that those hits he took always seemed more vicious against RG3 than any other QB.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Griff's last play was not a read option. It was a 4 wr set on a 3rd and 17 in our own 20, with 3 receivers running 5 yard routes. It was a bad play call that at best would have resulted in a 5 yard pass against a prevent defense, and subsequent groaning from all the people wanting a first down. 10 times out of 10, the play call is a draw, quick screen, or half back screen in that situation. (and especially so in the preseason). A bad play call in a bad situation, following the hits he was taking on each down shouldnt be the notifier on how Griff is out of steam/done.

 

Based on the play this preseason ( and not just the doctor's clearance), Cousins should start. But again, why do we have to tear down a guy to build the other up? This is the same old game we do with every qb that comes into town, yet we all complain how there is so much disfunction surrounding the Redskins.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There's a difference between analyzing a QB, recognizing how he's regressed and "tearing him down".

I think since his first injury, his confidence has never recovered either. Not genuinely and it really showed.

I hope the best for him. Maybe sitting for a couple years, will allow him to regain his form and learn a new style of play.

I believe he could have a Moon or Randal type resurgence later in his career. He still has all the tools.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Seems like the vast majority are finally ready to move on, and the ones that aren't by now.....will never be.

No matter what.

Thank god that's over. It's been ugly to watch since the start of 2013. Jason Campbell ugly. I'm sorry but it has. Greenie can keep saying he was mediocre that season, but my eyes (and stomach) said he was awful.

The kid just needs years of work to become a good NFL drop back qb. Work that has not taken place yet, for whatever reason. People want to pretend he's still a threat running, but the injury has ruined his ability to do so.

:(

Moving on.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I still don't fully grasp the notion that he can't run the read option because he's lost a step (or two). There are other QBs in the league who run it who aren't as fast as Robert is now. We saw Kirk run it for a TD a couple weeks ago. 

 

I do feel like I've seen enough at this point, and I've had issues with Robert's personality since the end of 2012, but I still have a nagging feeling of "square peg, round hole" in relation to how he's been forced to fit in Gruden's offense. 

 

Yeah, I know Robert didn't want to run the read/option anymore himself and WANTED to become the drop-back QB he's clearly not capable of being, but I never saw Gruden do anything really creative with him or anything that really played to his perceived strengths since that game last year against the Jags. That game started out very promising looking for RG3. I think that could have been a huge confidence-building game for him if he hadn't been injured, as he was looking to have a big day, AND was running the R/O early. 

 

One of the things he was so known for in 2012, along with his speed, was his accuracy. That's another thing that puzzles me. He seems to have lost that aspect of his game, too. Then again, there's clearly a relation between being uncomfortable in the pocket and accuracy. 

 

I guess this is just a long-winded way of saying, I still don't fully understand what the hell happened here. Yeah, clearly the injury is a huge factor, but ... I don't see how it could've destroyed every ounce of the guy's game, which seems to have happened, or how it could've destroyed every ounce of potential he had within an offense similar to the one run in 2012. Tough pill to swallow all around. But time to get out of the Matrix. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 Its sad to see this happen, hopes were high when he was drafted.

 

 But,  reality is an ugly **** at times; yea, you can run and hide, but the image is stuck in your head. Forever.

 

 Griffin is a great [ maybe not as much now ] athlete, but not much more. The question of being a top caliber QB can be questioned back to Baylor, a flash in the pan perhaps, but regardless, not having the physical tools needed to be a durable NFL QB have been exposed, and the damage is done.

 

 I just hope AND pray the next QB drafted isn't a high profile one; we've had too many failures in that dept...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I still don't fully grasp the notion that he can't run the read option because he's lost a step (or two). There are other QBs in the league who run it who aren't as fast as Robert is now. We saw Kirk run it for a TD a couple weeks ago. 

 

He got a two time super bowl winning coach fired.

 

If he wanted to run read option... we'd be running read option.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Griff's last play was not a read option. It was a 4 wr set on a 3rd and 17 in our own 20, with 3 receivers running 5 yard routes. It was a bad play call that at best would have resulted in a 5 yard pass against a prevent defense, and subsequent groaning from all the people wanting a first down. ...

 

There's a big difference between throwing a 5 yard pass that the play was designed for, and what happened.  The play was probably not a 1st down no matter what, but maybe a WR makes a play with the ball in HIS hands.  Nobody but the QB got a chance on that play, he kept it, and decided to run?  Then dropped it without contact, dove on it flat instead of the fetal position, and got busted up.  Sorry man, that's just dumb.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There's a big difference between throwing a 5 yard pass that the play was designed for, and what happened.  The play was probably not a 1st down no matter what, but maybe a WR makes a play with the ball in HIS hands.  Nobody but the QB got a chance on that play, he kept it, and decided to run?  Then dropped it without contact, dove on it flat instead of the fetal position, and got busted up.  Sorry man, that's just dumb.

That was RGIII's one indisputable bad play of the game. The pressure was in his mind. There were outlets to throw to and he knocked the ball out of his own hands with no one near him.

 

I can give him leeway on almost every other play. The pass rush was insane. Hence, Willie Smith not even surviving the first round of cuts, but that last play was all on RGIII's head (pun intended)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...