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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/three-year-old-girl-dead-after-shooting-in-southeast-washington/2015/07/30/9ec511c6-36a1-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html


A 3-year-old girl died after she was shot by another child who was thought to be playing with a gun at an apartment complex in Southeast Washington, according to police.


The girl was identified as Dalis Cox. Authorities said a preliminary investigation shows that the shooting “may have been the result of another child having found and been playing with a firearm that discharged” and struck Dalis.


On Wednesday night, two people in the police department said the initial investigation showed that the girl was shot by a 7-year-old boy who had found a gun in the apartment. The two people, who did not want to be identified, said they think the weapon was fired twice.

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The only protection against a bad toddler with a gun is a good toddler with a gun.

Shush. This is another story of a responsible gun owner leaving their loaded gun with the safety out where they can protect themselves quickly if someone breaks in. Gun owners never do anything wrong.

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Yes, let's all pretend that the gun advocates believe in irresponsibly leaving guns out in the open for kids to find. :rolleyes:

Now with that said, I'm pretty sure the kid had a clean background check.

Actually, one argued that very thing last time we had this discussion. Said he left his gun out in the open and loaded where he or his girl friend could get at it. Said he didn't believe in safties or having it unloaded or in a gun safe because if someone broke in you have to be ready or some such.

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Shush. This is another story of a responsible gun owner leaving their loaded gun with the safety out where they can protect themselves quickly if someone breaks in. Gun owners never do anything wrong.

 

Well clearly this gun owner wasn't responsible.

 

Oh wait, you were being sarcastic.

 

I grew up in a house full of guns, my dad is a VA state skeet shooting champion.  Not that I ever wanted to go seek them out on my own, but even if I wanted to they were always locked up in a giant safe.  I don't expect anyone here to agree with my stances on guns and hunting because I had a different upbringing than most.  However like most things in life, it's been my experience that the most anti-gun people are the ones who have absolutely little to no experience with them. 

 

That said, this is a tragedy and unfortunate to see.

 

The parents......eh, what's the point anymore.  Same arguments, round and round we go.

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Well clearly this gun owner wasn't responsible.

 

 Same arguments, round and round we go.

That's the part that kills me. Round and round we go. I see this same story a hundred times a year. I don't know if there's anything that could be done, but I wish we'd try something. There are thousands of accidental gun deaths each year. They do matter. They do count.

 

Would mandatory training have helped? Would the gun having a safety or having the safety on have helped? Would it have helped if it was in a locked drawer, cabinet or gun safe? Then again, maybe it was in a locked drawer and the seven year old knew where the key was and decided to open it and play with the gun they were told never to touch. Maybe the fault is as simple as where the hell were the adults when all this happened? Who leaves a seven and a three year old alone? Then again, kids can be awful quick and it only takes an instant to fire twice.

Did the seven year old think it was a toy? Did he think the gun was unloaded? Was he jealous?

 

I don't know the answer to any of these. I know he got his hands on a gun and reportedly fired at least twice and killed a sweet little girl.

 

What can be done to prevent future instances? What will be done to prevent future instances are two frustrating questions.

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That's the part that kills me. Round and round we go. I see this same story a hundred times a year. I don't know if there's anything that could be done, but I wish we'd try something. There are thousands of accidental gun deaths each year. They do matter. They do count.

 

Would mandatory training have helped? Would the gun having a safety or having the safety on have helped? Would it have helped if it was in a locked drawer, cabinet or gun safe? Then again, maybe it was in a locked drawer and the seven year old knew where the key was and decided to open it and play with the gun they were told never to touch. Maybe the fault is as simple as where the hell were the adults when all this happened? Who leaves a seven and a three year old alone? Then again, kids can be awful quick and it only takes an instant to fire twice.

Did the seven year old think it was a toy? Did he think the gun was unloaded? Was he jealous?

 

I don't know the answer to any of these. I know he got his hands on a gun and reportedly fired at least twice and killed a sweet little girl.

 

What can be done to prevent future instances? What will be done to prevent future instances are two frustrating questions.

 

The answer to these is really simple.  It just boils down to good parenting.  

 

Again, it goes back to how I was raised...guns aren't a toy, they're not to be touched unless in the presence of my dad.  Always treat it like it's loaded.  Don't point it unless you plan on shooting what you're pointing it at.  I heard this over and over and over and over again.   I never knew the code to the safe (still don't) and never knew where any of the keys were kept.  

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I get that people don't want guns but there is exactly zero chance of banning guns inside private residences in the US.  Even if the US bans more types of guns from being sold, they won't order the ones already out there confiscated. 

 

The best you can hope in terms of addition restrictive legislation is more laws demanding guns be stored in very specific ways.  In which case you'd run the risk of taking truly accidental family tragedies and making it worse by jailing a spouse/parent sending families into poverty or the remaining kids into the system. 

 

I do favor mandatory training before purchasing firearms is allowed.  It makes no sense that people can own extremely deadly weapons without anyone at least verifying they know how to safely use them or what the relevant guns laws in their state may be.  This is all just my opinion, I don't pretend to have any answers. 

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Shush. This is another story of a responsible gun owner leaving their loaded gun with the safety out where they can protect themselves quickly if someone breaks in. Gun owners never do anything wrong.

DC should institute strict gun laws, requiring all owners to undergo training, education on the laws, as well as have laws requiring that firearms be kept locked up and unloaded when not being transported or used for self defense.

Oh wait

Remember to spay and neuter your kids.

No, thats what abortion is for

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I'm in favor of smartguns..  however the nRA poison pill legislation in NJ means that won't happen anytime soon.

Makes zero sense, and even though i don't know the disposition of this family's gun thoughts, the option to buy a gun the kids simply can't fire could be available and can make a difference in situations like this.

Kids are kids, and can get into all sorts of things you think they can't.

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trigger locks could also help, but the argument against them makes sense.

i guess if it's my gun and i have kids and i'm going to leave it in a place it can be found by a kid.. i'd have to decide on the potential problem of a trigger lock or the potential problem of a kid with a loaded gun.

 

I think i'd probably just put it someplace they can't get it.

 

~Bang

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I'm in favor of smartguns..  however the nRA poison pill legislation in NJ means that won't happen anytime soon.

Makes zero sense, and even though i don't know the disposition of this family's gun thoughts, the option to buy a gun the kids simply can't fire could be available and can make a difference in situations like this.

Kids are kids, and can get into all sorts of things you think they can't.

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trigger locks could also help, but the argument against them makes sense.

i guess if it's my gun and i have kids and i'm going to leave it in a place it can be found by a kid.. i'd have to decide on the potential problem of a trigger lock or the potential problem of a kid with a loaded gun.

 

I think i'd probably just put it someplace they can't get it.

 

~Bang

I think the NRA objects to anything with the word "smart" in it.

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Again. It would be easy...very, very easy to design guns with a trigger resistance that would make the gun all but unfireable by anyone under 10 years old.

But the NRA is opposed to that. It would cost the gun companies quite a bit of money with R&D. Ya gotta think about the shareholders at a time like this.

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Again. It would be easy...very, very easy to design guns with a trigger resistance that would make the gun all but unfireable by anyone under 10 years old.

But the NRA is opposed to that. It would cost the gun companies quite a bit of money with R&D. Ya gotta think about the shareholders at a time like this.

I would direct you to NYPD, their 12lb trigger, and their inability to accurately employ their firearms.
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