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Update: I have changed the thread title since the thread has taken a more general turn toward ISIS in general and at request of another member.

 

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CNN:ISIS video appears to show beheadings of Egyptian Coptic Christians in Libya

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/15/middleeast/isis-video-beheadings-christians/index.html
 

 

(CNN)In a new propaganda video released Sunday by ISIS, the militant group claims to have beheaded over a dozen members of Egypt's Coptic Christian minority on a Libyan beach.

The highly produced video shows an apparent mass execution with jihadists in black standing behind each of the victims, who are all are dressed in orange jumpsuits with their hands cuffed behind them.

The five-minute video, released by the terror group's propaganda wing al-Hayat Media, includes a masked English-speaking jihadi who says, "The sea you have hidden Sheikh Osama bin Laden's body in, we swear to Allah, we will mix it with your blood."

Then on cue, all the victims are pushed to the ground and beheaded.

 

 

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http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/167728

EU Urges Joint Action to Stop Libya 'Breaking Apart'

 

The European Union said Monday it will meet with the Egyptian and U.S. governments this week to discuss joint action on Libya, but saw no EU role in any military intervention for now.

 

In the wake of a mass killing of Egyptian Christians in Libya, the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Federica Mogherini, said she would hold talks with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Egypt's Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry.

 

"We will meet in Washington later this week to define possibilities of action when it comes to the Libyan crisis," Mogherini told a news conference in Madrid.

 

The jihadist Islamic State (IS) group posted a video on Sunday showing the beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians by its members in Libya.

 

On Monday Egypt retaliated with air strikes in Libya against IS, which is sometimes referred to as Daesh.

 

"What we are seeing today in Libya is a double threat: it is a threat of a country that is breaking apart and of a country where Daesh is taking power and infiltrating," Mogherini said.

 

IS holds swathes of Syria and Iraq and EU leaders fear it may extend its reach closer to Europe.

 

The killings raised pressure for new international intervention in Libya.

 

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_307124/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=4bxwZ81r

Grief wracks Egypt village after its sons beheaded in Libya

 

This village of small mud alleys and brick homes is shattered by grief. Women draped in black are hoarse from screaming. Men sob in silence, at times shaking their heads as if to expel the horror from their minds.

 

Just last year, 13 young men from el-Aour, a Christian-majority farming community in Egypt's Nile River Valley, traveled to neighboring Libya, among the tens of thousands of impoverished Egyptians seeking work there.

 

But they became victims of Libya's chaos. They were among 21 Christians dragged off by militants in December and January. After nearly 50 days knowing nothing of their fate, their families on late Sunday saw their monstrous, videotaped last moments: The 21, wearing orange jumpsuits, were marched onto a Libyan beach, forced to kneel with a masked, knife-wielding militant standing behind each, and then beheaded.

 

The deaths touched everyone in the village's population of around 3,400.

 

On Monday, Bushra Fawzi could not stop weeping. He saw his son Shenouda in the video.

 

"I had been looking for a bride for him," Fawzi gasped. "He is my first and eldest son. My first joy and happiness."

"I want his body back. If they dumped it in the sea, I want it back. If they set fire to it, I want its dust." And he wanted revenge - to "take hold of his murderer, tear him apart, eat his liver and his flesh."

 

He and others in the village vented anger at the Egyptian government, saying it failed to help them. Many accusing it of ignoring them because they were Christian. "If there were Muslims among the 21, they would have been rescued. But no one paid attention," one woman screamed to reporters outside her house. President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi "did nothing to our sons because they are Christians."

 

After the video came out, el-Sissi went on national TV and vowed vengeance, and hours later, Egyptian warplane struck Islamic State group targets in their main stronghold in Libya, Darna. In a show of support, el-Sissi visited the pope of Egypt's Coptic Orthodox Christian Church at the main cathedral in Cairo, and his prime minister, Ibrahim Mahlab, visited el-Aour on Monday, meeting with grieving families.

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What's the end game here? ISIS seems to be trying to provoke a response. I mean consider what they've done here, they've followed up several videos in which they've gruesomely murdered someone, usually by cutting their heads off. It's like they felt that the world had gotten used to the single murder tape, so they decided to do a big group beheading. Surely this will accomplish something the bloody horrors unleashed previously haven't!

One response will be largely the same, their opposition will wonder "Why should we risk our lives and spend our money?!" And the result will be some bombing runs that are considered relatively safe.

So are they going down the Al Qaeda path hoping to set off a holy war or, more disturbingly, are these horror videos getting them a lot of fresh excited recruits.

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What's the end game here? ISIS seems to be trying to provoke a response. I mean consider what they've done here, they've followed up several videos in which they've gruesomely murdered someone, usually by cutting their heads off. It's like they felt that the world had gotten used to the single murder tape, so they decided to do a big group beheading. Surely this will accomplish something the bloody horrors unleashed previously haven't!

One response will be largely the same, their opposition will wonder "Why should we risk our lives and spend our money?!" And the result will be some bombing runs that are considered relatively safe.

So are they going down the Al Qaeda path hoping to set off a holy war or, more disturbingly, are these horror videos getting them a lot of fresh excited recruits.

ISIS is trying to intimidate America and prevent American influence. They're also using them to entice new membership. They figured that since it worked (the US has, largely, been univolved) it would work on the rest of the nations. So far, it's looking like they may have bitten off more than they could chew. They've managed to tick off both Jordan and Egypt, two of the more influential countries, as well as two of the most well trained militaries in the Middle East. They do not lack the political issues that the US currently has.

 

If this Adminstration has half a brain, they will send advisors and support, and let the middle east countries settle this.

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Let them handle it.  Just give them planes and bombs and guns and let the Arabs root out the virus of radical Islam.  If they don't eventually even people oppose to involvement will have had enough and the entire Middle will then be wiped off the face of the Earth.

 

Obama isn't going to do anything.  Anything he proposes is just for show.  He's just trying to run out the clock and let his successor deal with it.  Obama only has one goal and that is a grand deal with Iran.  He get thats, he feels he will have solved a big problem.  The rest of this is just a nuisance to him.

 

Only Muslims can put an end to it once and for all and they will have to decide what they want to do. 

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/politics/cnn-poll-isis-obama-approval/

Poll: Most disapprove of Obama handling of ISIS

 

Americans are increasingly unhappy with President Barack Obama's handling of ISIS, and a growing share of the nation believes that fight is going badly, according to a new CNN/ORC survey released Monday.

 

The CNN/ORC poll found 57% of Americans disapprove of how Obama is handling the threat posed by ISIS, a significant decline in support for the President over the past few months. In late September, that number was 49%.

 

Fifty-seven percent disapprove of his handling of foreign affairs more broadly, and 54% disapprove of how the President is handling terrorism. Another 60% rate Obama negatively on his handling of electronic national security.

 

The declining approval ratings for Obama on national security come as a weekend of international turmoil further underscores the growing threats abroad.

 

Denmark's capital was rocked by two shootings, one at a free speech event featuring a controversial cartoonist and another just hours later outside a synagogue. The attacks left two dead and five police officers wounded.

 

And Egypt launched a second round of airstrikes against Islamic State strongholds in Libya on Monday, in retaliation for a video released Sunday that appeared to show ISIS militants beheading a group of 21 Egyptian Christians.

 

Obama issued a statement condemning the killing of the Christians on Sunday night, though Obama's Republican opponents have consistently made the case that the growing Islamic State threat is exacerbated by what they see as his weak leadership.

 

In the poll, Americans increasingly believe the U.S. military action against ISIS is going badly, with 58% saying so in the latest survey, up from 49% who said the fight wasn't going well in October.

 

Even among Democrats, nearly half — 46% — say things aren't going well in the battle against ISIS.

 

And about half of respondents, 51%, say they trust the President as Commander-in-Chief of the military.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/middleeast/isis-libya-egypt/

Egypt launches second wave of airstrikes on ISIS in Libya

 

Egyptian warplanes staged a second wave of airstrikes against ISIS targets in Libya on Monday in retaliation for the slaughter of 21 Egyptian Christians by ISIS militants, Egypt's state-run Ahram Online reported, citing security officials.

 

The airstrikes followed an earlier wave that struck ISIS camps, training areas and weapons depots, the military said in a statement.

 

"Avenging Egyptian blood and punishing criminals and murderers is our right and duty," the Egyptian military said in the statement, which was broadcast on state television.

 

The Egyptian Foreign Ministry said the airstrikes targeted ISIS locations in Derna.

 

"Leaving the situation as it is in Libya without a firm intervention to curtail these terrorist organizations would be a threat to international peace and security," the ministry said.

 

https://twitter.com/NabilAbiSaab

Security Council to discuss Libya, ISIS on Wednesday upon a request from Jordan - Diplo
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http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

A great article on the motivation of ISIS.

 

We really are talking about young men finding a prophetic/apocalyptic bring on the Anti-Christ view of the world.  

 

I read that and it truly discouraged me. I think I want to just label these guys are barbarians or wingnuts, but they believe they have a calling and most of them seem to feel obligated to participate/support. Ugh. 

 

The good news is that the strict and stubborn way that things need to operate (apparently pre-determined in the Koran itself) would put ISIS in some difficult situations and really prevent it from growing. It doesn't sound as though they can both stick to their religious guns AND partner with other organizations who are less stringent. 

 

Obviously, that will play to the world's benefit if we can wait it out. 

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http://news.sky.com/story/1428885/egypts-al-sisi-calls-for-un-libya-intervention

Egypt's Al Sisi Calls For UN Libya Intervention

 

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al Sisi has called for the UN Security Council to mandate an international intervention in Libya.

 

He told French radio: "There is no other choice, taking into account the agreement of the Libyan people and government and that they call on us to act."

 

On Monday, Egypt bombed Islamic State targets in Libya - after a video was released which showed the beheading of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians by militants connected to the terror group.

 

Mr al Sisi also described the Libyan war of 2011 - where an international coalition including the UK supported the forces which deposed Muammar Gaddafi - as "an unfinished mission".

 

Urging for arms to be sent to Libya's internationally-recognised government in Tobruk, the president claimed: "We abandoned the Libyan people as prisoners to extremist militias. We will not allow them to cut off the heads of our children."

 

Speaking to Sky News following the retaliatory attack, Egypt's ambassador to the UK claimed there had been a collective failure to "snuff out" the organisation.

 

Nasser Kamel also warned the threat is "coming closer to Europe" as Islamic State, which has historically been active in Iraq and Syria, moves to Libya.

Can't really disagree with a lot of that...although I hope this doesn't go from a 'war against ISIS' to a 'war against people Sisi doesn't like'.

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The brutality of ISIS may be the best thing to happen if it motivates middle eastern nations to whipe them out.

IMO that's going to be the only thing that has any real and lasting effect. If we go in as the Middle East's self deputized police force it'll only serve to piss off the whole region even more which will lead to more support for thugs like ISIS. If ISIS is dealt with by government's in the region then it will be the Middle East dealing with their own.

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Bravo to Egypt.

 

I'd like to see a similar response from the US the next time an American is killed by these douchebags.

 

Behead an American?  You get 2 days of daisycutters and carpet bombs.

 

I don't think anyone wants us to go in and try and fix the problem.  But I do want a response more than just a carefully worded prose from the POTUS.

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Bravo to Egypt.

I'd like to see a similar response from the US the next time an American is killed by these douchebags.

Behead an American? You get 2 days of daisycutters and carpet bombs.

I don't think anyone wants us to go in and try and fix the problem. But I do want a response more than just a carefully worded prose from the POTUS.

You're aware we conduct dozens of air strikes per day, right? It's not like we're just letting them run around killing people. If we see a convoy, camp, etc it gets destroyed. Quickly.

As far as I can tell, isis is setting up camp mostly in cities and surrounding themselves with civilians to protect themselves from more widespread destruction.

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Good job Egypt!

 

I just read another article on the motivation of ISIS which is essentially to provoke an apocalyptic battle against Islam and the West in Dabiq to fulfill the end of times prophecy.  It's the reason they aren't hiding their atrocities and actually publicizing them.  Anyway, as Dabiq a muslim holy city or something?  Why don't we just level it?  Or would that upset the Muslim world?  I seriously don't know.  But when I read the article and how Dabiq is so central to ISIS' prophecy fulfillment, that was the first thing that came to my mind...

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Good job Egypt!

 

I just read another article on the motivation of ISIS which is essentially to provoke an apocalyptic battle against Islam and the West in Dabiq to fulfill the end of times prophecy.  It's the reason they aren't hiding their atrocities and actually publicizing them.  Anyway, as Dabiq a muslim holy city or something?  Why don't we just level it?  Or would that upset the Muslim world?  I seriously don't know.  But when I read the article and how Dabiq is so central to ISIS' prophecy fulfillment, that was the first thing that came to my mind...

ISIS is a hybrid of a Jordanian takfiri group merged with traumatized Sunnis in Iraq and Syria who endured the prisons of Saddam, Al-Assad, and Abu Ghraib. Add a sprinkling of jihadi mercenaries and losers who grew up abroad with warped ideas about what the Middle East should be, plus the usual cadre of pyscho power-tripping teenagers found in every conflict. It's the Simba Rebellion, the Tamil Tigers, or the Khmer Rouge. Groups like this show up all the time in history, especially in traumatized societies. Eventually they burn themselves out.

 

I like the concept of them burning themselves out. Essentially, what you have is a bunch of people who are angry and want to fight, but when the fighting is done, they don't know anything else, and the prospect of governance is unappealing. Wonder if this makes them more like the Vikings and ancient Rome . . .

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ISIS is a hybrid of a Jordanian takfiri group merged with traumatized Sunnis in Iraq and Syria who endured the prisons of Saddam, Al-Assad, and Abu Ghraib. Add a sprinkling of jihadi mercenaries and losers who grew up abroad with warped ideas about what the Middle East should be, plus the usual cadre of pyscho power-tripping teenagers found in every conflict. It's the Simba Rebellion, the Tamil Tigers, or the Khmer Rouge. Groups like this show up all the time in history, especially in traumatized societies. Eventually they burn themselves out.

 

 

 

Combine a surplus of young men plus a rigid society that prevents young women and young men from interacting and add in nearly 35 years of civil wars and foreign occupations....and ISIS is what you are going to end up with. It's inevitable.

 

"Boots on the ground" could check this in the short-term, but ultimately, these socities need to figure out something for the young men joining ISIS to do other than join ISIS. Jobs, family, some kind of service.

 

It's pretty obvious that dumping them into Western socieity isn't exactly a cure-all though.

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