PeterMP Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 This story hasn't gotten any play on here, and I was going to bump the old vaccine thread, but it has been archived: http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/28/health/measles-antivaxxers/index.html: Livia isn't sick, but doctors fear she might become the 53rd person to contract measles in a recent Disneyland outbreak. Now she's in a 28-day quarantine, because of a family that refused to vaccinate their child. It started January 2, when the Simons took Livia, who had a cold, to the pediatrician. Two days later, the doctor's office called to say that a child with measles had been in the office that same day. Livia, just 6 months old, is too young to be vaccinated. She points out that vaccine refusers rely on other people to protect their children. It's called herd immunity. If the rest of the community is immune to disease, it helps keep the disease from spreading to those who are unvaccinated. "You're basically relying on society but not giving back," she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 If the anti-vaxxer crowd were only endangering themselves with this inoculation-fearmongering nonsense, I would be happy to see our society slowly change for the smarter as they died off from preventable diseases. But watching their proudly idiotic self-harm affect others -- specifically babies, people with compromised immune systems, and of course anti-vaxxers' own children -- really gets my blood boiling. It is a completely meritless and indiscriminate form of destruction with literally no benefit whatsoever to anybody, anywhere. Every school, other public or private facility, gathering space, transportation system, event, etc. in the nation should be afforded the liberty to tell these idiots and their unvaccinated death-vector kids that access is firmly barred to them until the parents wise up -- with civil and criminal consequences for showing up incognito or allowing the kids to do so. Let the family drama play out at home, not in theme parks and school classrooms. Have we really become (in pockets) so completely stupid and decadent a civilization that this is a growing movement? Obviously the answer is yes, but I just can't believe it. Anti-nutrition parenting? Anti-seatbelt parenting? Anti-gravity parenting? The enforcement, fines, and/or arrests would be immediate in those cases, and should be in the case of anti-vaccination parents as well. It beggars belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 What is odd to me is that the movement seems to be coming from the richer crowd (like those in Orange County). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 In related news:To Protect His Son, A Father Asks School To Bar Unvaccinated Children Carl Krawitt has watched his son, Rhett, now 6, fight leukemia for the past 4 1/2 years. For more than three of those years, Rhett has undergone round after round of chemotherapy. Last year he finished chemotherapy, and doctors say he is in remission. Now, there's a new threat, one that the family should not have to worry about: measles. Rhett cannot be vaccinated, because his immune system is still rebuilding. It may be months more before his body is healthy enough to get all his immunizations. Until then, he depends on everyone around him for protection — what's known as herd immunity. But Rhett lives in Marin County, Calif., a county with the dubious honor of having the highest rate of "personal belief exemptions" in the Bay Area and among the highest in the state. This school year, 6.45 percent of children in Marin have a personal belief exemption, which allows parents to lawfully send their children to school unvaccinated against communicable diseases like measles, polio, whooping cough and more. Carl Krawitt has had just about enough. "It's very emotional for me," he said. "If you choose not to immunize your own child and your own child dies because they get measles, OK, that's your responsibility, that's your choice. But if your child gets sick and gets my child sick and my child dies, then ... your action has harmed my child." Krawitt is taking action of his own. ... Now Krawitt and his wife, Jodi, have emailed the district's superintendent, requesting that the district "require immunization as a condition of attendance, with the only exception being those who cannot medically be vaccinated." ... Krawitt has been speaking up about vaccination for a long time now. He told me about going to a parent meeting at his daughter's school just before the start of the school year, where a staff member reminded parents not to send peanut products to school, since a child or children had an allergy. "It's really important your kids don't bring peanuts, because kids can die," Krawitt recalls the group being told. The irony was not lost on him. He told me he immediately responded, "In the interest of the health and safety of our children, can we have the assurance that all the kids at our school are immunized?" Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Anti-vaxxers are morons, and their actions are endangering others now. Diseases are coming back because of their idiocy. It's insane. As if schools aren't already petri dishes for disease, now they re-introduce stuff so dangerous we came up with vaccines for them. I don't know how you could make vax a requirement for kids in schools, but I guess it would start in the realm of public endangerment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 With Ken gone, are there any vocal anti-vaxxers left on this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 This is a topic that boils my blood to no end. They are a notch below climate change deniers. We have too many stupid people in this country. Entirely too many stupid ****ing people. If Jenny McCarthy is on your side and the scientific community isn't, please re-evaluate your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It is a requirement for most schools. The idea of personal belief exemptions is mostly a new idea that the anti-vaccine idjits came up with. With Ken gone, are there any vocal anti-vaxxers left on this board? I'm sure the usual Texans that go against rational thought and opinion will show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't know how you could make vax a requirement for kids in schools, but I guess it would start in the realm of public endangerment. It is and has been a requirement for a long time. And it used to be that the only exemptions were for medical reasons (I got a medical exemption for the whooping cough vaccine, because I apparently had a pretty bad reaction to the first dose, and my doc recommended against me continuing with the rest). These "personal belief" exemptions are insane. If you don't want to vaccinate that badly, you can always homeschool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 What is odd to me is that the movement seems to be coming from the richer crowd (like those in Orange County). Darwin affects the rich as well it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Or, in other words, stupidity isn't relegated to the uneducated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 so infection from Mexicans ect. was ruled out? http://www.fortherecordmag.com/archives/071612p22.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 so infection from Mexicans ect. was ruled out? http://www.fortherecordmag.com/archives/071612p22.shtml universal healthcare and UNICEF many of the countries south of us where immigrants commonly come from to here have better vaccination rates than the border states. immigrants being the cause of vaccinated diseases coming back sems to be a manufactured red scare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 If the anti-vaxxer crowd were only endangering themselves with this inoculation-fearmongering nonsense, I would be happy to see our society slowly change for the smarter as they died off from preventable diseases. The only problem with that is they aren't hurting just themselves even if they didn't give it others. They're hurting their child that doesn't know any better and can't do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 universal healthcare and UNICEF many of the countries south of us where immigrants commonly come from to here have better vaccination rates than the border states. immigrants being the cause of vaccinated diseases coming back sems to be a manufactured red scare keep telling yourself that, just remember vaccination does not always prevent it http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/05/50-years-after-vaccine-creation-measles-still-threatens-us Before 1990, most imported cases of measles to the United States came from Mexico, but in 2013, half of all the imported cases came from Europe, according to the CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 The only problem with that is they aren't hurting just themselves even if they didn't give it others. They're hurting their child that doesn't know any better and can't do anything about it. Agreed, as I noted in my next sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 What is odd to me is that the movement seems to be coming from the richer crowd (like those in Orange County). That doesn't strike me as odd at all. Darwin affects the rich as well it would seem. The rich are also more likely to hold their own children from any perceived risks that the regular folks are meant to endure. Let the muddy peasants risk their children and in doing so prevent those awful diseases from returning to the US and touching their 100% organic children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 keep telling yourself that, just remember vaccination does not always prevent it http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/05/50-years-after-vaccine-creation-measles-still-threatens-us Before 1990, most imported cases of measles to the United States came from Mexico, but in 2013, half of all the imported cases came from Europe, according to the CDC. And in the first half of 2014, overwhelmingly the most imported cases came from the Phillipines. It's often just a matter of where the outbreaks are at any given time. Unfortunately, these days "where the outbreaks are" includes places like Disneyland. And Ohio. ...Thanks to the successful propagation of imported cases that now can spread in moronic less-vaccinated pockets of our fair land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 and in the vaccinated pockets obviously, ya might avoid airports as well if ya are at risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Agreed, as I noted in my next sentence. Hah, sorry about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Still recall the episode of M*A*S*H, where klinger and Col Potter contact Measles, and have to be quarantined together. Klinger: Funny disease, Measles. If you get it when you're a kid, you can't get it as a grownup. If you get it as a grownup, then you can't have kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 So bar code tattoos showing vaccinations so that we can make sure only those that have received the proper shots are admitted? Maybe we can do the microchip under the skin? It's either that or forced vaccinations for all children. That's where this has to go next right? It has to because education isn't working. People want to believe in crazy conspiracy theories and are easily scared when it comes to their children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 the chip seems best, then we can track them if lost or abducted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 and in the vaccinated pockets obviously, ya might avoid airports as well if ya are at risk In the early 2014 data, only 5% of US residents contracting measles were vaccinated. The correlation of homeland outbreak to lack of vaccination is immense. Unfortunately, 8% of US measles cases involved kids aged 2 yrs or younger, and most of those cases involved kids too young to have received vaccinations yet. So advising folks to avoid places like airports essentially means self-sequestering for years once one has kids -- a cultural and economic impossibility. Additionally, given that not everybody at risk knows they are at risk, the advice amounts to telling the people of Earth never to travel. A loser of a gambit, historically speaking. I think the anti-vaxxers are just secretly afraid of needles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 It would reduce the lines at Disney though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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