TexasSkinsFan Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I don't usually start threads but not sure where this would go to discuss. Any PFF experts or fans out there care to explain something? http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team What makes a Super Bowl contender? When Pro Football Focus analyzed the 28 teams that played in the conference championship games for the 2007 to 2013 seasons, it found that, on average, 40 percent of those rosters were composed of good/elite players (you had to play 250-plus snaps to qualify). Using that methodology, PFF determined how many above-average players stood between your team and contending for this year's Super Bowl. From there its broken down by teams, as for the Redskins they said that we had 0 Elite Players, 1 Good player (Ryan Kerrigan), 22 Average Players, and 10 Bad Players. They ranked us 29 out of 30 remaining NFL teams. Reason I am posting this is because I do not understand what PFF was looking at when they labeled Alfred Morris a "BAD" player. Can someone explain that to me? I'm not trying to say I think he's elite, rather trying to understand PFF metrics in general for them to say something like that. Can someone please explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This would have been an interesting piece but PFF is garbage and ruined it. They miss on player evals as much as they hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Can you make a case for Alf being average? I mean, what's the bar for an "elite" RB in the NFL right now? I certainly don't see one. As far as "good," who could that be? A few dudes had down years, others may be flashes in the pan...I know Alf is solid, but I don't think he's a top-5 back in the league. He's more in that 8-10 range. Nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epochalypse Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Reason I am posting this is because I do not understand what PFF was looking at when they labeled Alfred Morris a "BAD" player. It's obvious our impressive O-line gifted Morris his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 There is part of this piece where individual ESPN beat writers dispute/discuss the rankings. Keim does a real nice job (as usual) backing up alternate assessments for players like Djax and Breeland with quotes from NFL scouts and coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRoane Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Interesting idea but they should have relied on someone who really watched the Redskins before grading. Because most of the evals just look like a SWAG. Regardless, it doesn't take that to know that the Scotty-Mac has his work cut out for him. There's not one player that I would consider untouchable in deals for draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Much to my chagrin this is not far off. It finally dawned on me this year, after denial for so long, how low our talent level truly is. Much work lies ahead to rebuild this roster. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Maybe fumbles for Morris.. only real fault i can see.. and he does tend to get a little ****-footed down near the goal line for some reason. Typically he's great after contact,, but without the cutback lane he doesn't move the pile. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRoane Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Maybe fumbles for Morris.. only real fault i can see.. and he does tend to get a little ****-footed down near the goal line for some reason. Typically he's great after contact,, but without the cutback lane he doesn't move the pile. ~Bang Hmm, that could be it. Or the lack of break-away runs. With a move to a more power-oriented run game I'd like to see him put on about 10 - 15 pounds of muscle. He is outstanding at breaking tackles and could be a poor man's Marshawn Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasSkinsFan Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Can you make a case for Alf being average? I mean, what's the bar for an "elite" RB in the NFL right now? I certainly don't see one. As far as "good," who could that be? A few dudes had down years, others may be flashes in the pan...I know Alf is solid, but I don't think he's a top-5 back in the league. He's more in that 8-10 range. Nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is... From the ESPN take RB Alfred Morris: Not sure how he's listed as bad. Morris' numbers this season were decidedly average: He rushed for 1,074 yards (league average: 792), averaged 4.1 yards per carry (average: 4.3), scored eight touchdowns (average: five) and averaged 2.0 yards after contact (average: 1.8). He's not an elite back, but he isn't bad, either. The executive called him a solid starter but not a dynamic one. I agree with that assessment. I agree with that assessment and don't understand why they said he was a BAD player. The guy who's 2nd in the league in rushing yards since his rookie year isn't a BAD player at least to me. That doesn't make him elite but the worst ranking? Even if Bang's assessment that it could have been because of fumbling http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/seasontype/2 Espn only shows him fumbling 2 times this year. Not sure what more they needed to see to say at least he was Average With as much publication that PFF gets for being on top of advanced stats I was shocked to see the rankings, I would love to know why they put him in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I can see why Morris can be graded as bad. He can't catch, he can't block and he also has a fumbling problem. He doesn't always help us. Personally I would grade him as average, since he is very good as a rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Like I've said a million times....the 2014 roster was better then the 2012 roster......start with coaching and QB play.....get those two pieces and "average" players become good..."Bad" players become average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Wingman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hmm, that could be it. Or the lack of break-away runs. With a move to a more power-oriented run game I'd like to see him put on about 10 - 15 pounds of muscle. He is outstanding at breaking tackles and could be a poor man's Marshawn Lynch. im pretty sure in a power run game you want a quicker rb, who will hit the hole faster. he excelled in zone blocking because of his vision and because you have to wait for the cutback lanes to open up, speed isnt as important. if we are moving toward a power run game, he needs to get faster or we need a new running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Morris doesn't have a fumbling problem. Lost fumbles are a problem, fumbles where you can pick them up, which he does, aren't a big deal. He also has improved catching, and I think he's a decent blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 What a joke. Trent Williams and DeSean Jackson are average? My ass. What the hell is a good tackle if Trent Williams is average? Alfred Morris is bad? The ****? I agree with the overall assessment of our team, but that writer should probably be on bleacher report, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRoane Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 im pretty sure in a power run game you want a quicker rb, who will hit the hole faster. he excelled in zone blocking because of his vision and because you have to wait for the cutback lanes to open up, speed isnt as important. if we are moving toward a power run game, he needs to get faster or we need a new running back. Most power backs aren't speed backs. Marshawn doesn't have a lot of break aways. He breaks a lot of tackles though. And Morris is very good at that. Actually, you'd prefer to have a faster runner behind the ZBS. In a power offense you want to move the sticks consistently and force the Defense to drop their SS into the box so you can torch them with play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinpigskin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It seems the grades on players like Trent Williams and Desean Jackson would be higher if the QB play on the Redskins was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 What a joke. Trent Williams and DeSean Jackson are average? My ass. What the hell is a good tackle if Trent Williams is average? Alfred Morris is bad? The ****? I agree with the overall assessment of our team, but that writer should probably be on bleacher report, at best. Trent played through so many injuries this year that he did look average at times. He's a warrior and this year was an outlier. Desean....I have no idea. He did what he could with the targets he received, that's all you can ask. He routinely makes ridiculous downfield catches that I don't think many of us truly understood when he was an Eagle...there was a perception that he merely outran defenses and even had alligator arms over the middle. He joins DHall as one of the few FA signees in recent memory that actually play better and look better after signing here, and become more complete players here, regardless of what the stats say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Trent was not very good this year, but he was playing through injuries. His career track record would have him at least in the good category if not elite. Jackson is also good. He's better than good really, but I wouldn't put him in the elite category. And Morris being "bad" is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuhBuhBiggie Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Cannot believe I have ever quoted a PFF ranking, but after this nonsense, I never will again. Trent Williams, Keenan Robinson, Jackson, Riley, and Garcon are absolutely "good" players, one could even argue that Jackson and Williams are elite. Not sure what they used to create this list, but it's complete crap in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 And people pay for PFF subscriptions lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Hmmmm...52-15=37.IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike42 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It's pretty funny because we actually have the most elite receiving core in the league, too bad the QB play sucked in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 PFF is garbage. But so is BSpn. I wouldn't put any stock into anything they report. I just like to watch the Redskins when they play (sometimes) and try to avoid all of the BS. Kind of like all of the BS this last week about Deflate"gate." I am more concerned about the effect of the abysmal officiating in the games than whether a ball boy let out a pound of pressure in a damn ball! Like that really allowed the Bradiots to win by 35 points (and I hate the Bradiots)! Like I said .. turn off and don't read all of the BS. If you met most of the idiots that write this crap, you would learn to stay far away from them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I cant take anyone seriously who says Kerrigna was only "good", and Breeland, Paul, and Morris were bad...Also apparently Chester is average! Also, apparently Desean Jackson is "average". Hes not as good as Rueben Randle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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