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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/report-cuba-frees-american-alan-gross-after-5-years-detention-on-spy-charges/2014/12/17/a2840518-85f5-11e4-a702-fa31ff4ae98e_story.html

 

 

Obama has to earn that Nobel Peace Prize he got in 2009 somehow.

 

 

One of the rare occasions I agree with him.  We have had relations with Russia and the old Soviet Union. We have relations with China.  Why not Russia.

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I can order Cubans now?

 

Cuban cigars now legal through Famous Smoke Shop.

 

Cuban cigars will soon be available from an American-based cigar retailer thanks to a temporary license issued by the U.S. Treasury Department. After almost three years of legal wrangling, Famous Smoke Shop has been granted an "exception" by the Secretary of the Treasury under Title 31 C.F.R. Part 515 - Cuban Assets Control Regulations, Subpart B-Prohibitions, specifically with regard to §515.204 "Importation of and dealings in certain merchandise" Under a new federal provision passed shortly after Cuba's recent devaluation of the Cuban Convertible Peso (CUC), the Easton, PA-based cigar store was granted "exclusive authorization" to import up to 10,000 Cuban cigars a year for a two year period. Once the cigars are received, they will be made into "Cuban 5-packs" and limited to one pack per customer.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-583578

 

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I can order Cubans now?

 

Cuban cigars now legal through Famous Smoke Shop.

 

Cuban cigars will soon be available from an American-based cigar retailer thanks to a temporary license issued by the U.S. Treasury Department. After almost three years of legal wrangling, Famous Smoke Shop has been granted an "exception" by the Secretary of the Treasury under Title 31 C.F.R. Part 515 - Cuban Assets Control Regulations, Subpart B-Prohibitions, specifically with regard to §515.204 "Importation of and dealings in certain merchandise" Under a new federal provision passed shortly after Cuba's recent devaluation of the Cuban Convertible Peso (CUC), the Easton, PA-based cigar store was granted "exclusive authorization" to import up to 10,000 Cuban cigars a year for a two year period. Once the cigars are received, they will be made into "Cuban 5-packs" and limited to one pack per customer.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-583578

 

 

that was 3 years ago...how the hell did I miss that?!

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Way overdue

 

It will be interesting to see how Rs in Congress other than Rubio respond.  These steps have been broadly supported in polls for years.  The response from them should be measured.  No hearty congratulations of course, because politics :rolleyes: , but maybe not much in the way of shredding the deal either.

 

The poll by the nonpartisan Atlantic Council found 56 percent of Americans and 63 percent of Floridians support engaging more directly with the communist island. In Miami-Dade County, home to the largest concentration of Cuban-Americans, 64 percent of adults said they favor changing U.S. foreign policy toward Cuba.

 

"My sense is that Americans are very supportive of normalization and in particular of beginning, right now, to undo piece by piece each of the strands that make up the Cuba embargo," said Peter Schechter, director of the Atlantic Council's Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center.

 

The results fall in line with previous polling of Americans on U.S.-Cuba relations. Gallup polls conducted since 1999 have found a majority favor re-establishing U.S. diplomatic relations with Cuba. For more than a decade, about half of Americans have also favored ending the trade embargo.

 

 

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/poll-majority-want-change-us-cuba-policy

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And for the other side's response.

 

 

Rubio on Cuba deal: ‘It puts a price on every American abroad.’

Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio on Wednesday slammed the Obama administration’s move to open diplomatic ties with Cuba, lauding the release of American prisoner Alan Gross but insisting the move is bad policy.

 

“I’m not in favor of the process by which the release was acquired because I think it does set a very dangerous precedent,” Rubio said in an interview with Fox News. “It puts a price on every American abroad. Governments now know that if they take an American hostage they can get very significant concessions from the United States.”

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/12/17/rubio-on-cuba-deal-it-puts-a-price-on-every-american-abroad/?hpid=z2

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I can order Cubans now?

 

Buy Hondurans.  Cuban seeds in better soil.  Find some with Connecticut wraps grown from Cuban seeds.

 

/tangent

 

We're in bed with the Saudis'.  I don't see why we can't support our neighbor only 90 miles to the south.  We don't have to support communism to support their people.

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Republicans on the discovery of cold fusion.

 

Free nonpolluting energy? This is a threat to all Americans! ’m not in favor of the process by which the advance was acquired because I think it will damage my stock portfolio which sets a very dangerous precedent,” Rubio said in an interview with Fox News. “It puts a price on every American abroad."

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"I don't care if the polls say 99 percent of people in Florida want to lift the embargo. I would still be for (keeping) it," Rubio said. "My goal is freedom and democracy in Cuba, and the embargo gives us leverage."

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102276964#

 

 

 

 

Kewl

 

 

Yes, if we just give the embargo a few more years it will achieve all of its objectives.  

 

The embargo gives the Castro regime leverage.  Not us.  It gives them an easy excuse for the natural economic failings of communism.  It's basically a textbook example of what NOT to do.  And Rubio knows that.  He's a politician and a whore (redundant, I know), but not an idiot.

 

 

 

I remember about a year ago sitting at a dinner where the featured speaker was a senior US diplomat involved in Iran policy. In response to skeptical questions about the Obama administration's approach to Iran, he laid out the case that economic sanctions could work. The Iran measures, he said, were textbook examples of effective sanctioning — they were broadly multilateral in terms of who was imposing them, they were targeted at things the regime especially cared about, and they were limited in their aspirations.

 

"So what about Cuba?" I asked.

 

It was a bit of a jerk question. The diplomat in question simply wasn't in a position to admit the obvious corollary. But the Cuba embargo is wholly unilateral, meaning no other country joins us in imposing it. It's also completely untargeted, hitting essentially all sectors of the Cuban economy. And most of all, it's utopian in its goals targeted not at specific aspects of Cuban policy but at the very existence of the Cuban regime.

 

In essence, America's Cuba policy is a textbook case of an embargo that makes both the United States and the target country somewhat poorer without any realistic hope of accomplishing its goals.

 

 

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/17/7408159/cuba-embargo-failure

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I can order Cubans now?

Overall Dominicans are much better. Cubans are way over rated.

 

Anyways, I am all for this, however, Cubans are going to suffer as prices are about to skyrocket for them. Actually I bet the rest of the Caribbean suffers as well as this is going to kill tourism for many of those countries as Americans are going to Flock to Cuba.

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I think the best way to destroy the Cuban Regime is to flood them with American Capitalism. Give them American's cars, TMZ, a Major League Baseball team, and Kim Kardashian and they will be at our mercy.

 

I can't wait until Cuba opens up for tourism, Havana is going to be the go to place again.

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that was 3 years ago...how the hell did I miss that?!

 

The problem there is that the quality of the Cuban cigar is not really what it was.  The best producers left Cuba and relocated to Central and South America.  Over time, Cuba may regain it's status but it would take the major producers to migrate back.  Will they do that? 

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