Burgold Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Who saw this coming? Very complex, controversial, and possibly hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/report-cuba-frees-american-alan-gross-after-5-years-detention-on-spy-charges/2014/12/17/a2840518-85f5-11e4-a702-fa31ff4ae98e_story.html Obama has to earn that Nobel Peace Prize he got in 2009 somehow. One of the rare occasions I agree with him. We have had relations with Russia and the old Soviet Union. We have relations with China. Why not Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Opening of markets and free trade leads to capitalism, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 About freaking time. Actually about 40 years late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Fine by me.. since the fall of the Soviets it's seemed sort of pointless. It just punishes regular people. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can order Cubans now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS@THEGOALLINE Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can order Cubans now? Cuban cigars now legal through Famous Smoke Shop. Cuban cigars will soon be available from an American-based cigar retailer thanks to a temporary license issued by the U.S. Treasury Department. After almost three years of legal wrangling, Famous Smoke Shop has been granted an "exception" by the Secretary of the Treasury under Title 31 C.F.R. Part 515 - Cuban Assets Control Regulations, Subpart B-Prohibitions, specifically with regard to §515.204 "Importation of and dealings in certain merchandise" Under a new federal provision passed shortly after Cuba's recent devaluation of the Cuban Convertible Peso (CUC), the Easton, PA-based cigar store was granted "exclusive authorization" to import up to 10,000 Cuban cigars a year for a two year period. Once the cigars are received, they will be made into "Cuban 5-packs" and limited to one pack per customer. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-583578 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can order Cubans now? Cuban cigars now legal through Famous Smoke Shop. Cuban cigars will soon be available from an American-based cigar retailer thanks to a temporary license issued by the U.S. Treasury Department. After almost three years of legal wrangling, Famous Smoke Shop has been granted an "exception" by the Secretary of the Treasury under Title 31 C.F.R. Part 515 - Cuban Assets Control Regulations, Subpart B-Prohibitions, specifically with regard to §515.204 "Importation of and dealings in certain merchandise" Under a new federal provision passed shortly after Cuba's recent devaluation of the Cuban Convertible Peso (CUC), the Easton, PA-based cigar store was granted "exclusive authorization" to import up to 10,000 Cuban cigars a year for a two year period. Once the cigars are received, they will be made into "Cuban 5-packs" and limited to one pack per customer. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-583578 that was 3 years ago...how the hell did I miss that?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Way overdue It will be interesting to see how Rs in Congress other than Rubio respond. These steps have been broadly supported in polls for years. The response from them should be measured. No hearty congratulations of course, because politics , but maybe not much in the way of shredding the deal either. The poll by the nonpartisan Atlantic Council found 56 percent of Americans and 63 percent of Floridians support engaging more directly with the communist island. In Miami-Dade County, home to the largest concentration of Cuban-Americans, 64 percent of adults said they favor changing U.S. foreign policy toward Cuba. "My sense is that Americans are very supportive of normalization and in particular of beginning, right now, to undo piece by piece each of the strands that make up the Cuba embargo," said Peter Schechter, director of the Atlantic Council's Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center. The results fall in line with previous polling of Americans on U.S.-Cuba relations. Gallup polls conducted since 1999 have found a majority favor re-establishing U.S. diplomatic relations with Cuba. For more than a decade, about half of Americans have also favored ending the trade embargo. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/poll-majority-want-change-us-cuba-policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 And for the other side's response. Rubio on Cuba deal: ‘It puts a price on every American abroad.’Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio on Wednesday slammed the Obama administration’s move to open diplomatic ties with Cuba, lauding the release of American prisoner Alan Gross but insisting the move is bad policy. “I’m not in favor of the process by which the release was acquired because I think it does set a very dangerous precedent,” Rubio said in an interview with Fox News. “It puts a price on every American abroad. Governments now know that if they take an American hostage they can get very significant concessions from the United States.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/12/17/rubio-on-cuba-deal-it-puts-a-price-on-every-american-abroad/?hpid=z2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Rubio couldn't even agree with himself on immigration. He'll scream and just say whatever. But it won't look like Republican speak on opening trade and it will conflict with whatever he says about our agreements with other nations that he isn't going nuts over. So, we have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGoonie55 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can order Cubans now? Buy Hondurans. Cuban seeds in better soil. Find some with Connecticut wraps grown from Cuban seeds. /tangent We're in bed with the Saudis'. I don't see why we can't support our neighbor only 90 miles to the south. We don't have to support communism to support their people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Republicans on the discovery of cold fusion. Free nonpolluting energy? This is a threat to all Americans! ’m not in favor of the process by which the advance was acquired because I think it will damage my stock portfolio which sets a very dangerous precedent,” Rubio said in an interview with Fox News. “It puts a price on every American abroad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 "I don't care if the polls say 99 percent of people in Florida want to lift the embargo. I would still be for (keeping) it," Rubio said. "My goal is freedom and democracy in Cuba, and the embargo gives us leverage." http://www.cnbc.com/id/102276964# Kewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Baseball is going to get an influx of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Quote "I don't care if the polls say 99 percent of people in Florida want to lift the embargo. I would still be for (keeping) it," Rubio said. "My goal is freedom and democracy in Cuba, and the embargo gives us leverage." http://www.cnbc.com/id/102276964# Kewl Yes, if we just give the embargo a few more years it will achieve all of its objectives. The embargo gives the Castro regime leverage. Not us. It gives them an easy excuse for the natural economic failings of communism. It's basically a textbook example of what NOT to do. And Rubio knows that. He's a politician and a whore (redundant, I know), but not an idiot. I remember about a year ago sitting at a dinner where the featured speaker was a senior US diplomat involved in Iran policy. In response to skeptical questions about the Obama administration's approach to Iran, he laid out the case that economic sanctions could work. The Iran measures, he said, were textbook examples of effective sanctioning — they were broadly multilateral in terms of who was imposing them, they were targeted at things the regime especially cared about, and they were limited in their aspirations. "So what about Cuba?" I asked. It was a bit of a jerk question. The diplomat in question simply wasn't in a position to admit the obvious corollary. But the Cuba embargo is wholly unilateral, meaning no other country joins us in imposing it. It's also completely untargeted, hitting essentially all sectors of the Cuban economy. And most of all, it's utopian in its goals targeted not at specific aspects of Cuban policy but at the very existence of the Cuban regime. In essence, America's Cuba policy is a textbook case of an embargo that makes both the United States and the target country somewhat poorer without any realistic hope of accomplishing its goals. http://www.vox.com/2014/12/17/7408159/cuba-embargo-failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Never thought this would happen in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yes, if we just give the embargo a few more years it will achieve all of its objectives. I wish someone interviewing him would say exactly that in response to his complete and utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can order Cubans now? Overall Dominicans are much better. Cubans are way over rated. Anyways, I am all for this, however, Cubans are going to suffer as prices are about to skyrocket for them. Actually I bet the rest of the Caribbean suffers as well as this is going to kill tourism for many of those countries as Americans are going to Flock to Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Kewl Keep championing the Democratic Foreign Policy, Rubio. It's clearly working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Does this mean that in 50 years, we can admit that the Palestenians exist? ---------- Keep championing the Democratic Foreign Policy, Rubio. It's clearly working well. Wishing we still had the WTF smiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Keep championing the Democratic Foreign Policy, Rubio. It's clearly working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 The other great hypocrisy/irony is that the biggest flouters of the embargo are Cuban Americans. Sad that they hate Castro more than they care for those left behind who aren't their direct family members. Holy crap -someone posted a Tintin strip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I think the best way to destroy the Cuban Regime is to flood them with American Capitalism. Give them American's cars, TMZ, a Major League Baseball team, and Kim Kardashian and they will be at our mercy. I can't wait until Cuba opens up for tourism, Havana is going to be the go to place again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQCOWBOY Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 that was 3 years ago...how the hell did I miss that?! The problem there is that the quality of the Cuban cigar is not really what it was. The best producers left Cuba and relocated to Central and South America. Over time, Cuba may regain it's status but it would take the major producers to migrate back. Will they do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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