skins214428hail Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I have noticed a serious drop in production from our TE group. Especially in blocking. Coach gruden talks offensive line yesterday and grades them out pretty well. He does mention tight ends missing blocks, Last year coach McVay had this group playing pretty well. We have a new tight end coach this year in Wes Phillips. I have heard coach Gruden say several times. We need to be lower in our blocking on several different occasions throughout the year starting in training camp. Is coach Phillips the problem with this group? http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-In-Richmond-%E2%80%94-Tight-Ends/0bcece0d-cc45-4e22-a12f-c1b903cb6eb9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Interesting thread. Maybe it will start a trend for some new threads to focus on individual units and take a look at how this cluster **** is stacking up right now, and why, per unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins214428hail Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Logan Paulsen is a good example. Logan paulsens strengths from last year have seemed to disappear. He was once our best run blocker at this position. Paulsen has regressed under the Phillips regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Reed is more of an offensive TE, he doesn't have the size or skill for being any type of blocking TE. Paullsen can't get out of his own way, but he has has a few nice saving blocks; not many. Paul is more like Reed, more of a receiving TE. Its not a glamorous job, to stay at the line, get pummeled, then 2 plays later peel out for a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins214428hail Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Definitely not a glamourous job at the present.. But it can be. I always thought A tight end was a bigger body receiver who excelled at blocking. Communication might be a problem as well. Missed assignments etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins/psu1981 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Without the luxury of looking at the film, I imagine Reed was probably in a bump and run coverage through out most of the game. He was literally down field for every passing play in this game which showed by his outstanding performance offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownRocks111 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 With a weak Oline, a good blocking TE is a must. With a stout Oline, you can get away with a Jordan Reed/Niles Paul type of TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Niles Paul is a converted WR, and Jordan Reed was always more of a pass catching TE. Their poor blocking skills are one of the reasons I think the run game has suffered badly, but I think the biggest vulnerability of our pass protection has more to do with stunts inside. Also, Hankerson was a better blocker than DJax or Roberts. We've got great playmakers in the passing game, but the shift from toughness to speed may not give our QBs enough time to capitalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Cooley has consistently said Reed can't block, and he'd just play him at slot receiver. Niles can't block. Paulson is the best blocker, and he's not great. I think they're using the TE wrong in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'd like to see our TEs tasked with a chip (or even just getting a hand on a rusher) before going on their routes. Add to the pass pro (even slightly) and sell the PA better. Make the defender assigned to them step toward the line on PA. And for goodness sake, let your TEs charge the uncovered end or OLB on the boots/RO - make the defender hesitate. Kyle had the same issue in his offense but at least he added this element over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I have noticed a serious drop in production from our TE group. Especially in blocking... They're the Skins for #$!*&$ sakes! Nobody blocks. Not the O-line, running backs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins214428hail Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Cooley has consistently said Reed can't block, and he'd just play him at slot receiver. Niles can't block. Paulson is the best blocker, and he's not great. I think they're using the TE wrong in the run game. This would be a good question for Captain chaos. Have any of you ever written his show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins214428hail Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 They're the Skins for #$!*&$ sakes! ou I guess.Nobody blocks. Not the O-line, running backs, etc. There are problems all over the team. But I see a more production in receptions and horrible blocking by this group. Is this poor coaching. Is coach Phillips getting his squad ready to play. Are they getting all the information for the blocking schemes in play for them to execute properly. Mental Errors reflect poor coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I would like to see us pick up a kid like Nick Boyle from Delaware in the 6th if he's there. We have a TE to stretch the field with Reed, this kid is a solid receiver for short and intermediate routes, but a strong blocker. 6-6 270 lbs http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133786/nick-boyle The 6-foot-6, 270-pound Boyle is currently ranked by CBS as the No. 215 overall prospect in the 2015 draft class. He's been assigned a Round 6 grade. TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline called Boyle a "throwback tight end dependable catching the ball in the short and intermediate field as well as dominating defenders at the point of attack blocking" in September. His biggest drawback is a lack of speed. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/TE He's listed as the 11th best TE, seemingly due to speed. That's not what we need him for anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You would not believe the number of missed blocks that have happened this year..tight ends and running backs have stunk it up this year in that category..so easy just to blame the o-line ..I can remember how Clinton Portis used to blow players up when he blocked them he took pride in it !!! I would say the lack of blocking and pass protection has to point back at the coaching staff the players should be coached up on this..however if we have a bunch of players that refuse to learn then thats a big issue moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You would not believe the number of missed blocks that have happened this year..tight ends and running backs have stunk it up this year in that category..so easy just to blame the o-line ..I can remember how Clinton Portis used to blow players up when he blocked them he took pride in it !!! I would say the lack of blocking and pass protection has to point back at the coaching staff the players should be coached up on this..however if we have a bunch of players that refuse to learn then thats a big issue moving forward. Jay should see if Clinton wants to do an annual blocking seminar for RBs and TEs. Bring some cut ups of Clinton and each participant to review film of each guy for tips. I doubt it would happen, but if I coached the team it sure would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 After the season I'd cut Andre Roberts or trade him for anything, moving Grant up the depth chart. The new slot guy is Reed, who never plays the in-line spot again. In that in-line spot I'd try to sign Fauria if he's cheap, from the Lions (believe he's a FA). He's 6'6", a good blocker and a good RZ threat which we need. Or I'd try to trade a 5th or something for Troy Niklas from the Cardinals, they seem to have no interest in utilizing him (I know he's just a rookie). He's 6'7" 270 with a great frame to become dominant in-line blocker, and he's an underrated receiving option. Would be a threat in the RZ as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 After the season I'd cut Andre Roberts or trade him for anything, moving Grant up the depth chart. I like this if it doesn't cost more to cut him than keep him. Not impressed for a guy that was supposed to be #2 caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Jay should see if Clinton wants to do an annual blocking seminar for RBs and TEs. Bring some cut ups of Clinton and each participant to review film of each guy for tips. I doubt it would happen, but if I coached the team it sure would. I like that idea ..let them watch film of portis blocking. .show them this is how its done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 There are problems all over the team. But I see a more production in receptions and horrible blocking by this group. Is this poor coaching. Is coach Phillips getting his squad ready to play. Are they getting all the information for the blocking schemes in play for them to execute properly. Mental Errors reflect poor coaching. Yes, offensive coaches need to emphasize blocking. Blocking is an attitude as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Here's something to consider specifically as it relates to the TEs: The entire offensive roster is put together poorly, and doesn't compliment itself. For the purposes of this discussion, let's leave the QB out of it. It's sort of irrelevant to the broader point: 1. Gruden said that he was keeping the outside-zone running game intact. 2. We kept 4 of 5 starting OL intact. Kory moved from LG to C, (and has possibly been the best OL this year.) 3. To run the Outside Zone, you MUST have TE's that block and set the edge to give the RB a lane to cut through, or else they'll just end up running sideways out of bounds and never have the opportunity to put the foot in the ground and cut up-field. 4. To compliment that, you MUST have WRs who block down-field, or else the zone-stretch run play will gain 2-3 yards, and that's it. Because the safety/CB will fill the hole. 5. So what do we do? We use Jordan Reed as a blocker, even though he can't set the edge. 6. We try and have Niles Paul set the edge. That rarely works. 7. We go with a formation of DJax/Garcon/Roberts/Reed with a RB (Morris or Helu) a lot. Of that group, only Garcon is a competent blocker. So, the scheme that we're running doesn't fit the players at all. If you're going to run an zone-stretch running game, then you need TEs and WRs who can block. We're asking our TEs and WRs to block, and they all suck at it. If you're going to run a power, straight ahead type of game, then you need bigger, more powerful OLmen. So, what we're trying to do is run a zone-stretch attack with skill position players that aren't good at it because it's what the OL does best, or a power running attack with an OL that isn't good at power running. Say what you want about Shanahan, and I can say plenty, the offensive personnel in 2012 matched what they wanted to do. They had an OL that specialized in blocking the outsizide-zone, and they complimented it with WRs (Garcon and Morgan) who were very good blockers, an average blocker in Davis, until he was injured, and then a pretty good blocker in Paulsen. The personnel matched what they wanted to do. What the 'Skins have now is a mis-match in personnel: OL can do one things well that the skill position players can't, and what they need to do well in order to complement the skill position players, they can't. Result: offense is stuck in neutral most of the time. This is on Bruce, or Morocco, or Snyder, or somebody. I DON'T think this is on Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Niles Paul is a converted WR, and Jordan Reed was always more of a pass catching TE. Their poor blocking skills are one of the reasons I think the run game has suffered badly, but I think the biggest vulnerability of our pass protection has more to do with stunts inside. Also, Hankerson was a better blocker than DJax or Roberts. We've got great playmakers in the passing game, but the shift from toughness to speed may not give our QBs enough time to capitalize. I wonder if Hankerson could add on some weight and also shift to TE. I also kind of wish they would use more of Darryl Young. He's a pretty good blocker. I'm pretty sure I've seen them put him in motion a few times. They could bring him up to the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I wonder if Hankerson could add on some weight and also shift to TE. I also kind of wish they would use more of Darryl Young. He's a pretty good blocker. I'm pretty sure I've seen them put him in motion a few times. They could bring him up to the line I've kindof had enough of trying to make WRs into TEs. If you have a big WR, use them as a big WR. There's no reason to try and get them to bulk up and become a TE, because chances are, they're never going to be a good enough blocker, especially in the run game. It's a different mentality. My personal opinion. It works every now and then, but it fails more than it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 While we are at it, why haven't we tried a heavier line w an extra tackle in the game? Denver was crushing it with that formation this week (I think it was den) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins214428hail Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 While we are at it, why haven't we tried a heavier line w an extra tackle in the game? Denver was crushing it with that formation this week (I think it was den) I am pretty sure we have tried that. I believe it was working well. When polombus and compton switched it up I believe that was the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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