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Diagnosing What Ails RG3

Is it the ankle? The knee? Or an Achilles’ heel: his inability to operate from the pocket? The MMQB’s film-study guru says physical setbacks can’t explain away Robert Griffin III’s poor grasp of quarterbacking basics.

Locker room leadership can be overrated. How a quarterback really loses his team is by leaving receivers open on the field. This is Robert Griffin’s biggest problem, and has been throughout his career. What’s most concerning is that he’s leaving receivers on the field out of a variety of formations and against a variety of coverages. The common thread is bad mechanics and a poor sense of timing.

Here are some examples from when Griffin returned to action two weeks ago after suffering a dislocated ankle in early September. To a small degree, his struggles can be attributed to rust. But that alone can’t explain away his poor grasp of quarterbacking basics.

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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/18/robert-griffin-iii-rg3-washington-nfl/

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I am beginning to think "We" are going to run this QB out of here.  From game one, going to a Skins Fans club and listening the pathetic insults they lay on him is absolutely foolish (I haven't gone back this year).  "Kirk Cousins should be playing"  "RG3 is injury prone, not a pocket passer"  "his gone after the season" etc.. etc...

 

Now I will say he did not have a good game against the BUC's, but there are too many negatives outside of just our QB that always seems to be forgotten.  I also think he needs time to not only develop, but time to regain his confidence.  Time will tell. 

 

In addition, there are many holes that need to be filled and one of them is to bolster both our fronts (OL, DL) that's where its won (beating you up front). 

 

Im just tired of seeing something or hearing something everyday about RG3, and with that said Im beginning to think because of that we are beginning to push him out.

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So it's not the injuries, its his inability to play quarterback? You mean that what I've seen since the week 1 Philadelphia game in 2011 isn't a mirage? He simply can't play QB? No ****.

But good article and thanks for posting.

You saw Griffin play against the Eagles in 2011?

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I am beginning to think "We" are going to run this QB out of here.  From game one, going to a Skins Fans club and listening the pathetic insults they lay on him is absolutely foolish (I haven't gone back this year).  "Kirk Cousins should be playing"  "RG3 is injury prone, not a pocket passer"  "his gone after the season" etc.. etc...

 

Now I will say he did not have a good game against the BUC's, but there are too many negatives outside of just our QB that always seems to be forgotten.  I also think he needs time to not only develop, but time to regain his confidence.  Time will tell. 

 

In addition, there are many holes that need to be filled and one of them is to bolster both our fronts (OL, DL) that's where its won (beating you up front). 

 

Im just tired of seeing something or hearing something everyday about RG3, and with that said Im beginning to think because of that we are beginning to push him out.

So did you read the article?  didn't you see the pictures?  All 3 of these plays resulted in NADA for the offense.  Think about that.  Every single one of those plays, we had the defense on its knees and basically with the last one probably being a TD if he throws it to DJ.  Sure we have issues everywhere but it all starts with the QB.  go ahead and tell me now if Colt was in there he completes at least 2 of those 3 plays for big gains.

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Pretty sure we saw that in 2013. He had to rely on his "quarterbacking basics" and it was ugly.

 

Pretty sure you forgot about the rest of the team.  We cannot rely on one person to take us to the promise land, and if he played like 2012, we still would not have made it to playoffs

So did you read the article?  didn't you see the pictures?  All 3 of these plays resulted in NADA for the offense.  Think about that.  Every single one of those plays, we had the defense on its knees and basically with the last one probably being a TD if he throws it to DJ.  Sure we have issues everywhere but it all starts with the QB.  go ahead and tell me now if Colt was in there he completes at least 2 of those 3 plays for big gains.

Yes, and Im glad they posted images, but I didn't see any images of the Defense, OL, Special teams!  I saw three plays about one guy!

 

Did you see I said, he did not have a good game against the BUC'S?

 

And my opinion its not the QB that's loosing us games, I said we win games up front

 

ELite QB's struggling

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/09/27/some-elite-quarterbacks-struggling/wlkle89zCiMQhySbFshdZJ/story.html

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You saw Griffin play against the Eagles in 2011?

 

I caught that too lol.

 

I've erased both of those games from my memory 

Pretty sure you forgot about the rest of the team.  We cannot rely on one person to take us to the promise land, and if he played like 2012, we still would not have made it to playoffs

 

Did you see I said, he did not have a good game against the BUC'S?

 

And my opinion its not the QB that's loosing us games, I said we win games up front

 

ELite QB's who have struggled

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/09/27/some-elite-quarterbacks-struggling/wlkle89zCiMQhySbFshdZJ/story.html

 

Well this is (another) RG3 thread so it makes sense that everyone is talking about him.

 

And that article you cited as a few issues:

 

Neither Kaep nor Manning are elite.

 

A-Rod and Brady have improved and gotten back to their elite play. 

 

And of course that article was written very early in the season

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Pretty sure you forgot about the rest of the team.  We cannot rely on one person to take us to the promise land, and if he played like 2012, we still would not have made it to playoffs

First of all, I did not forget about the rest of the team. They can all suck. It's not an either/or scenario. Lastly, you can't prove your final statement, thus making it pointless.
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Even with all this evidence, I'm still not willing to give up on RG3.  First of all, it's hard to find his talent level throwing the football in the NFL. In my eyes, RG3 looks better than Jason Campbell ever did.  That's daming with feint praise for sure, but aside from Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck are any of the new crop of young QBs consistent week to week?  Maybe Tannehill... I'd have to look closer. 

 

At this point I think RG3 is on track to have the Drew Brews or Alex Smith type of career at best.  Neither player was anything special for their team when they were the same age as RG3.  The real question to me is, could the team settle with Alex Smith as a franchise QB and would the fan base willing to embrace that level of production? 

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First of all, I did not forget about the rest of the team. They can all suck. It's not an either/or scenario. Lastly, you can't prove your final statement, thus making it pointless.

True, I just need to get out of here, cheers.  Just another hater thread. 

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The truth is that he's struggling, mightily. He's completely regressed in nearly every aspect as a QB. I do not exactly understand why this is happening but I'm sure constant pressure hasn't helped things. He's not seeing things that are there and then he's sensing rush that's not even coming. He has to get back to the basics and start over. If he continues on this path, especially the passive aggressive stuff in regards to the criticism of his play than he'll never "get it".

The talent is there, the intelligence and the "want to" is all there as well, he's just got to go back out there and do it. Is it possible that he just never puts it together? Certainly. However I'm willing to take the time to see if he can. Put up or shut up.

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True, I just need to get out of here, cheers.  Just another hater thread. 

 

Tangible, valid, fact based criticism. No personal attacks or insults.'

 

 

Yep, that is being a "hater" all right.

 

Posts like this are exactly what is wrong with ES and the whole RG3 debate. Say anything negative (no matter how valid) and you're labeled a hater.

The truth is that he's struggling, mightily. He's completely regressed in nearly every aspect as a QB. I do not exactly understand why this is happening but I'm sure constant pressure hasn't helped things. He's not seeing things that are there and then he's sensing rush that's not even coming. He has to get back to the basics and start over. If he continues on this path, especially the passive aggressive stuff in regards to the criticism of his play than he'll never "get it".

The talent is there, the intelligence and the "want to" is all there as well, he's just got to go back out there and do it. Is it possible that he just never puts it together? Certainly. However I'm willing to take the time to see if he can. Put up or shut up.

And the thing is, the O-Line isn't helping at all. We know that. But when he gets a clean pocket like the screenshots above, he's got to take advantage...

 

It sucks man. I remember going to bat for the dude in 2012 (and even 2013) against everyone...but I just can't do it anymore

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man, I just got done watching some 2012 highlights.. his pocket presence and mechanics were worlds different than they are today..

maybe all the hits have taken a toll on him, he seems to have tunnel vision right now and is at absolute rock bottom.

sucks how far we've come in 2 years :(

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I am beginning to think "We" are going to run this QB out of here.  From game one, going to a Skins Fans club and listening the pathetic insults they lay on him is absolutely foolish (I haven't gone back this year).  "Kirk Cousins should be playing"  "RG3 is injury prone, not a pocket passer"  "his gone after the season" etc.. etc...

 

Now I will say he did not have a good game against the BUC's, but there are too many negatives outside of just our QB that always seems to be forgotten.  I also think he needs time to not only develop, but time to regain his confidence.  Time will tell. 

 

In addition, there are many holes that need to be filled and one of them is to bolster both our fronts (OL, DL) that's where its won (beating you up front). 

 

Im just tired of seeing something or hearing something everyday about RG3, and with that said Im beginning to think because of that we are beginning to push him out.

 

There's been a few posts in the other RG3 threads that have pointed out that it's a domino effect with bad QB play. The defense played well for a good part of the Bucs game, but as RG3 continues to flounder it makes it increasingly more difficult for the rest of the team.

 

The defense may not be perfect, but they're going to look a lot worse when their own QB leaves them hanging drive after drive. Eventually they're going to get worn down and "look bad."

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I think it was nailed pretty well on Mike & Mike this morning.  It really seems like he is far more worried about his RG3 "brand" versus his "game".  Sure, he is trying hard and I would never say otherwise.  Fairly or not, when a team gives 3 first round picks and a second round pick it comes with heavy expectations. 

 

Time to take the haircut on this stock option.

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Im just tired of seeing something or hearing something everyday about RG3, and with that said Im beginning to think because of that we are beginning to push him out.

 

You're right. He'll be gone after next season. It's already done. He's broken, nobody seems to care. Easier to buy a cheap new plastic toy than restore something that worked great once.

 

The group of fans, our own ******* fans, that are "done" with him is so incredibly rabid and insane that it becomes impossible now for the guy to succeed. They bring up names like Jason Campbell, Heath Shuler, just to prove how unbalanced and narrow sighted they are. He really needs to play EVEN BETTER than 2012 RIGHT NOW to begin to soften their stance....**** the three injuries, the two HCs, the pedestrian line, a scheme that doesn't play to his strengths, media that tosses him around like a ragdoll, the mortgaging of the franchise in drafting him, a dreadful team....it's an impossible situation to be in.

 

Best case scenario for criticism about the guy, that I as a supporter can concede for the sake of argument is to cancel out BOTH 2012 AND 2013 as ends of the spectrum. Leaves us with just 3 games and a quarter of work to be "done" with him.

 

"Done" with him for the sake of guys like Kirk Cousins who blew not one but two golden tickets to the chocolate factory and Colt McCoy who started one ******* game in five years.

 

"Done" with him for the sake of starting from scratch with a new project who may never have a 2012 in him.

 

"Done" with him for the sake of a team that in all facets could give two ***** about preparing and beating a 1-8 Tampa Bay.

 

"Done" with him for the sake of gestures WRs make EVERY play no matter the result or team record.

 

"Done" with him for the sake of absolutely jack **** in the W-L column.

 

"Done" after 3 games & a quarter with a 24 year old QB who has the talent, has shown it in this ******* hell hole of an NFL franchise, who now needs support and some time to get right and will not get it b/c people around here are in a real ******* hurry to get absolutely  no-*******-where.

 

It is the very definition of knee-jerk.

 

amm0409,

 

He'll be here the rest of the year. He'll compete in training camp, WIN THE ******* JOB because he's THE BEST ******* QB ON THE ROSTER. Then he'll QB a bottom of the barrel team with laughable expectations through another mediocre season, he'll be browbeaten EVERY STEP OF THE WAY and that will be it. Free agency and a spot on another team. The story has been written.

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man, I just got done watching some 2012 highlights.. his pocket presence and mechanics were worlds different than they are today..

maybe all the hits have taken a toll on him, he seems to have tunnel vision right now and is at absolute rock bottom.

sucks how far we've come in 2 years :(

It does suck. I was really pulling for him. He's just lost it though, and i think it's mental. Unfortunately, sometimes getting over a mental hump can be more difficult and time consuming than getting over something physical. Unfortunately, i don't think he has what it takes anymore. Maybe eventually he'll get over whatever is wrong, but he better be quick about it. He may only have the rest of the season, if that long, to prove himself.

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Hard to feel positive when everyone looking at film seems to be arguing that RG3 can't read defenses, has bad mechanics, and fails to see wide open receivers regularly.

No not everyone. There are at least 2 film experts on ES that say we are all wrong

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More media spin to drive clicks.  You can pick screencaps from any game to show that a QB doesn't know what he's doing.  

 

"Look, here's a frame where Aaron Rogers doesn't see a wide-open WR.  He's terrible."  Take a screenshot from a second later when he turns his head, and he looks like an all-pro.

 

Not buying this.

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I'm pretty sure I brought this up in 2012 (because I'm really smart and clever and not at all a braggart), but Kyle running a college offense in 2012 did RGIII no favors in the long run.

 

I'm pretty sure nearly all he did was off a pre-snap read (chalk talk!) and generally built off a run option. The one thing that surprised me is how difficult it was for teams to deal with that. Maybe if RGIII never got hurt, that could have worked for years.

 

It seemed like last year he had to learn to play NLF QB while getting healthy and having someone yell at him "Slide! Slide!" every ten seconds. And then the Shanahans got mad at him.

 

Right now, he just looks broken mentally (hot take!). Maybe he needs to wander the earth for a few years.

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amm0409,

 

He'll be here the rest of the year. He'll compete in training camp, WIN THE ******* JOB because he's THE BEST ******* QB ON THE ROSTER. Then he'll QB a bottom of the barrel team with laughable expectations through another mediocre season, he'll be browbeaten EVERY STEP OF THE WAY and that will be it. Free agency and a spot on another team. He will succeed notoriously on the next team, the Skins will become the Piglets, wear pink not only in October but every game and that will be that. Oh, and they'll get protested by the free range pork people and vegetarian lobby. The story has been written.

Two points:

 

1) I don't understand how ppl come to the conclusion that fans can push a player out. 

 

Jay Cutler is widely hated by 90% of the Bears fanbase yet has been their QB for what 4-5 years now. Donovan McNabb was hated by 90% of Iggles fans yet played QB there for 10 years. Most Bengals fans aren't that high on Dalton.  My point is that fan perception is not gonna get a guy thrown out. His play on the field will do that. The "oh the fans suck and are forcing him out" argument is laughable and not based on fact. It's just an emotional fallacy

 

2) Please tell me what based on what we've seen the last 2 seasons leads you to believe he's gonna go to a new team (in his 5th year in the league mind you) and magically turn it on? That argument is based on him going to a team that is set with talent. Here's a news flash: Those teams set with talent also usually have good QBs already and aren't gonna take a chance on a guy that struggles at basic QB actions. If RG3 isn't retained, he'll have the usual choices of Oakland, TB, and Jax.....I doubt he succeeds in any of these places. His best shot at success is killing it the next 6 weeks and turning it around here

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