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WP: Is Robert Griffin III the Washington Redskins’ franchise quarterback? - by Liz Clarke


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For the record I am the poster that created the "Is there a thing between RGIII and Coach Gruden?" thread last week and I have learned several lessons from that debacle. This thread is simply to discuss everyone's thoughts on this article. To be honest I've only starting noticing articles from Liz Clarke this year so I can't speak on whether or not she is in any particular "camp" other than to say the entire Washington Post tends to slant a little anti-RGIII in my personal opinion. I guess the larger question I have is what interview with Coach Gruden is she quoting? Maybe her own? When I clicked on the article earlier I was expecting a Jason Reid "RGIII is bad because blah...." rehash but this is a bit different. 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/is-robert-griffin-iii-the-washington-redskins-franchise-quarterback/2014/10/18/cd369c50-53fd-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_story.html

 

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“He has got to come out and, when he gets healthy, prove he has got the capability to be a franchise-type quarterback,” Gruden said in an interview this past week. “He showed so much promise his rookie year. The second year he gets hurt and has all those distractions. Then he comes out here, gets a fresh start and gets hurt.

 
“When you’re judging a quarterback, you judge progress and consistency. Right now there has been not much progress and very little consistency.”
 
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“He might miss a throw here or there, but as long as he doesn’t make the catastrophic mistake and make it about himself more than about the team, you’ve got a chance,” Gruden said.
 
On the job for less than 10 months, Gruden hasn’t seen enough of Griffin in live-game situations to render a verdict on whether he can operate at a high level from the pocket, which represents a shift in the explosive dual-threat ability that made him such a coveted NFL prospect.
 
“I’ve had him for training camp and [offseason workouts], and obviously it’s a totally different speed,” Gruden said. “One game against Houston, in which he didn’t play very well, and the first quarter against Jacksonville is all I’ve had so far. It’s not much. We’re still in evaluation process. I want to see how far he has come.”
 
Former Redskins general manager Charley Casserly, now an analyst with the NFL Network, was encouraged by Griffin’s limited work this season. In the 17-6 loss at Houston and his performance against Jacksonville, Casserly saw notable strides from the preseason, in which Griffin threw two interceptions and no touchdown passes, was sacked four times and earned a passer rating of 46.0
 
“The play he got hurt on — the throw to DeSean Jackson on the run — was one of the most athletic plays you’ll ever see,” Casserly said.
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I think the book is still open on RG3 being a franchise QB. He can't be handed the keys to the franchise based on 1 season (even if it may have been one of the greatest by a rookie). That is why he needs the rest of the season to see if he can be. This team needs someone to take the reigns. I believe at this point, there isn't a franchise QB on the roster, KC needs to stop turning ball over and RG3 needs to improve and stay healthy. Hopefully, by the end of the season we have an answer, if not, open up a true QB competition and play the best one. I will root for either QB playing, just want this team to start winning again.

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His ankle injury was a freak injury that people are freaking out about far too much. 

 

Give him the 7+ games or whatever that he's ready for this year and then evaluate. 

 

Agreed.

I think the book is still open on RG3 being a franchise QB. He can't be handed the keys to the franchise based on 1 season (even if it may have been one of the greatest by a rookie). That is why he needs the rest of the season to see if he can be. This team needs someone to take the reigns. I believe at this point, there isn't a franchise QB on the roster, KC needs to stop turning ball over and RG3 needs to improve and stay healthy. Hopefully, by the end of the season we have an answer, if not, open up a true QB competition and play the best one. I will root for either QB playing, just want this team to start winning again.

 

Agreed. I am honestly completely shocked that we have a coach here 6 games into the regular season this non-committal to RGIII. Either Snyder/Allen really are letting a "football man" (Gruden) have control or they totally whiffed on the hire (from their prospective). 

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After reading the article and Grudens comments, it seems he is very non-committal on RG3. There was a comment which seemed a bit weird to me and maybe concerning, basically stating "making a catastrophic mistake and making it more about himself than the team", where did that come from? I wonder if Gruden has lost some confidence in him, it seems that may be the case according to his comments. Hopefully RG3 does take the reigns. Gonna be an interesting rest of season.

I do agree, this article shocked me a bit. Kudos to the reporter though, wasn't just a beat up RG3 article, included positives and negatives. May be the first article written that didn't have some sort of bias hinted in it.

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I'm getting the feeling that Gruden has zero intentions of giving RGIII a chance to succeed. Which completely baffles me. The one game we're giving Cousins a win for RGIII had them in place to go up 10-0. Kirk had a strong showing against Philly but ended the game on a pick. Much like all his other games. One loss in and Gruden is saying he won't say RGIII's position is guaranteed. Yet and still won't give Colt a chance to get on the field as Kirk can't produce. During yet another multi-interception filled fourth quarter McCoy never had a chance of entering the game. Sounds like the only person he's committed to is Kirk Cousins.

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I'm getting the feeling that Gruden has zero intentions of giving RGIII a chance to succeed. Which completely baffles me. The one game we're giving Cousins a win for RGIII had them in place to go up 10-0. Kirk had a strong showing against Philly but ended the game on a pick. Much like all his other games. One loss in and Gruden is saying he won't say RGIII's position is guaranteed. Yet and still won't give Colt a chance to get on the field as Kirk can't produce. During yet another multi-interception filled fourth quarter McCoy never had a chance of entering the game. Sounds like the only person he's committed to is Kirk Cousins.

Normally I would say you're reading too much into Gruden's comments but honestly, I'm getting the same impression you are.

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After reading the article and Grudens comments, it seems he is very non-committal on RG3. There was a comment which seemed a bit weird to me and maybe concerning, basically stating "making a catastrophic mistake and making it more about himself than the team", where did that come from? I wonder if Gruden has lost some confidence in him, it seems that may be the case according to his comments. Hopefully RG3 does take the reigns. Gonna be an interesting rest of season.

 

In my line of work I literally get paid to see problems before they happen. I'm good at it (and not much else). That's why I posted the thread last week about Gruden/Griffin. His comments were oddly icy, not overtly so but more than enough to raise red flags about the relationship. I got roasted for my intuitions, but now it seems there may be a bit more meat on this bone than we originally thought.

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I'm getting the feeling that Gruden has zero intentions of giving RGIII a chance to succeed. Which completely baffles me. The one game we're giving Cousins a win for RGIII had them in place to go up 10-0. Kirk had a strong showing against Philly but ended the game on a pick. Much like all his other games. One loss in and Gruden is saying he won't say RGIII's position is guaranteed. Yet and still won't give Colt a chance to get on the field as Kirk can't produce. During yet another multi-interception filled fourth quarter McCoy never had a chance of entering the game. Sounds like the only person he's committed to is Kirk Cousins.

I agree, if you hear his comments, it seems he firmly supports KC and believes he is a young QB who will improve and only get better, but not making those same types of statements about RG3. Everyone bashed all the reporting about Gruden preferring KC over RG3 in the preseason and first couple of games, seems similar to last year about Shanahan and RG3 issues, in the end, there was more truth in the stories than just speculation. Interesting how these big stories come out on game day, why not a Monday!

This article doesn't do RG3 any favors in his relationship with Gruden. I guess if this team can't win, all the drama is pretty entertaining.

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We are about to find out for sure, he will be back in charge soon and there are no excuses why he can't or shouldn't put points on the board with this offense. Let's see how he does!

 

Couldn't disagree more Steve. If the coach has a favorite horse every mistake will be under intense scrutiny. This has the potential for train wreck written all over it. I really blame the FO for the hire. I think Gruden is a good coach and that Kirk and RGIII have potential. I fear that the three of them should have never started the season on the same team.

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Last years article about Shanahan wanting to quit after playoff loss was the article setting the stage for him leaving, this is pure speculation on my part, however, this seems to be the type of article setting up a similar scenario about RG3. I'm not sure giving an interview and answers like those do anything to help.

Couldn't disagree more Steve. If the coach has a favorite horse every mistake will be under intense scrutiny. This has the potential for train wreck written all over it. I really blame the FO for the hire. I think Gruden is a good coach and that Kirk and RGIII have potential. I fear that the three of them should have never started the season on the same team.

It is obvious, one of the 3 will not be on the team next year, I don't see Gruden going anywhere so guess it would be either KC or Griffin.

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I agree, if you hear his comments, it seems he firmly supports KC and believes he is a young QB who will improve and only get better, but not making those same types of statements about RG3. Everyone bashed all the reporting about Gruden preferring KC over RG3 and similar to last year about Shanahan and RG3 issues, in the end, there was more truth in the stories than just speculation. Interesting how these big stories come out on game day, why not a Monday!

This article doesn't do RG3 any favors in his relationship with Gruden. I guess if this team can't win, all the drama is pretty entertaining.

 

What's pretty funny about this is Kirk is two years older than Griff. Boy did I get bashed last week. Once again I don't blame Gruden for this at all. I don't think the hire was properly vetted in regards to his feelings towards an RGIII-type of quarterback. And here we are. We better pray Kirk really is that dude. *fingers crossed*

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What's pretty funny about this is Kirk is two years older than Griff. Boy did I get bashed last week. Once again I don't blame Gruden for this at all. I don't think the hire was properly vetted in regards to his feelings towards an RGIII-type of quarterback. And here we are. We better pray Kirk really is that dude. *fingers crossed*

I know, you did get bashed. Problem is no one wanted to believe it, people are quick to defend they're beliefs which is great. Last week, it was speculation, this week, there is a story to back it up. Wonder what happens if Kirk plays great today and beats Dallas, I guess we will then know for sure.

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Well I think it's painfully obvious that deep down Gruden has serious doubts about Griffin. He sees him everyday, he's seen him in practice, some pre season games and one regular season game. I think that's why he wants him back on the field. They need to know if he can progress, or is it time to go in another direction. Doesn't sound like Gruden is going to sit around for 2-3 years and wait for Griffin to develop.

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I made a thread similar to this premise after the Jacksonville game in how I felt all his good will built on the field prior to that game was gone in my eye. At this point, it is very much about 1) can he get the job done from the QB position and 2) can he stay healthy enough to warrant the financial investment you see other teams do with their franchise QB.

I'm rooting for him, but I am not holding my breath. If anything, now he won't have to worry about Cousins breathing down his neck, hopefully that helps keeping him from doing desperation **** to keep his job.

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“He might miss a throw here or there, but as long as he doesn’t make the catastrophic mistake and make it about himself more than about the team, you’ve got a chance,” Gruden said.

I think this is a direct reference to Kirk's struggles. I mean what has happened in 3 of the 4 losses of Kirk? In Philly he threw the int (catastropic mistake) and then forced the throws the next drive. In NY, he throws the first int (catastrophic mistake) and then starts to try to dig the team out himself and then throws 3 more. Against Arizona he throws the first int (catastrophic mistake) then throws two more.

Kirk's problem was about him not relying on the team when things went down and depending too much on himself to try to bail the team out. He's basically saying "RG3 can't play like Kirk and expect to be the starting QB".

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He's certainly starting to show what he is. A rookie pro HC.

 

If we lose today and drop to 1-5 wait for the questions on his future to start in earnest this next week.

 

Hail.

Man, if we lose today, I think Bruce Allen questions need to start heating up. I would say if we lose today, Haslett needs to be gone tomorrow, then maybe Raheem, then maybe Dan Snyder. He'll, we should fire everyone and just have player coaches:h
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