HapHaszard Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Now that I've had a day to cool off from Thursday nights really poor showing against the Giants, I think its time for a little history lesson. I remember when a young offensive coordinator, from the Chargers, took over a Redskins team, all the hype was for a great season "Air Coryell" type offense coming to DC, we were going to fly high with the new system. Everyone knows what happened, we started out 0-5, no internet just the Washington Post, The Daily News and the Washington Times, but they sounded like this Message Board. What was Bobby Beathard thinking bringing an unproven head coach to the Redskins. That Joe Gibbs guy, needs to be fired, and a real head coach brought in. Our new coach inherited a team in much worse condition than the one Joe Gibbs had. I guess what I'm saying is I've been to quick to judge this team along with others. I'm tired of rebuilding, I'm tired of losing, but I think we need to step back and just wait a while before going off the deep end. Its going to take time, this team has been a mess for a long time. I can see potential it just needs to be developed. I'm going to bite my tongue and just sit back and watch for a while, It may work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The problem with this franchise is NOT the head coach. We fortunately have evolved into a slightly better situation than the majority of time under Dan Snyders ownership, unfortunately we have a long ways to go before he blows up the GM and staffing departments and builds a real front office. Gruden is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Gosh Hap, trying to reconcile the talent between the 1981 squad and this one. Having trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenB Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The problem with this franchise is NOT the head coach. We fortunately have evolved into a slightly better situation than the majority of time under Dan Snyders ownership, unfortunately we have a long ways to go before he blows up the GM and staffing departments and builds a real front office. Gruden is fine. I would agree wholeheartedly with this. I think Gruden may have the chops, but this franchise is way too dysfunctional for him to succeed. Bruce seems to be a decent Exec when it comes to picking out what pants we wear or setting up Alumni luncheons, but player personnel decisions ain't his bag. I do believe that Danny boy is getting more patient, but once he fires the current front office, who in their right minds would want to come work here? No one of quality, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Ahhhh, a voice of reason and sanity amidst the wailings of toddlers.......... thanks Hap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapHaszard Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Gosh Hap, trying to reconcile the talent between the 1981 squad and this one. Having trouble I wasn't talking so much about the talent but the moral and condition on the team we have now. After the mess with Shannahan. Joe was able to take mediocre talent and do something with it. That is why I'm willing to wait, the talent is here, its the attitude of losing. I guess I didn't write that properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megared Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I would agree wholeheartedly with this. I think Gruden may have the chops, but this franchise is way too dysfunctional for him to succeed. Bruce seems to be a decent Exec when it comes to picking out what pants we wear or setting up Alumni luncheons, but player personnel decisions ain't his bag. I think there's too much scope creep in everyone's responsibilities. When you're trying to establish something with a 1st year head coach, and really a first year GM, that isn't putting them in the best situations to succeed. Bruce Allen is handling player/personnel stuff (which he probably shouldn't be doing). Gruden is Head Coach, calling the offensive plays, and probably more involved with coaching the QBs than he needs to be. Some will disagree and say 'him calling the plays is fine'...but he needs to learn how to handle the in game situations and be an effective head coach. When we're seeing stuff like clock mismanagement at the end of halves, wasted timeouts, and stupid challenges, it makes you think that perhaps he should've delegated play calling responsibilities. Not to mention, our defensive coordinator is not good enough to just be completely left to his own devices while Gruden worries about the offense on game days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Each regime certainly deserves an adequate amount of time to get its legs under it. It's just so difficult to watch turnovers and penalties in big spots no matter who's in charge or who's on the field. I think I'm just done putting myself through the mental anguish of drawing parallels between <insert new coach> and the magic Joe Gibbs brought here in the 1980s. If it happens for us, that's awesome but I'm done looking for signals that the good times are right around the corner. It's not even October and I'm already in "tune in to see how it goes" mode with this team. That's not to say I have any complaints about Gruden at this point. He seems to have the right demeanor and I've liked what I've heard from him. Sometimes the issues are bigger than the coach though. I'm hopeful things turn around and I'll be rooting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLink Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 We need to have an identity. We don't have one. Our Head Coach needs to be an innovator (ex: Chip Kelly) with this offense. The read option was working in 2012. That is what made who we were at the time. We need to discover the strengths of our defense and do something about it. Stop playing 10 yards off the ball if our opponent needs 4 yards to convert a first down. Right now, we are playing without an identity with pretty much nothing to play for anymore. I am very positive that if it wasn't for the uptempo offense of the Eagles, they would be sitting next to the Redskins as the doormat in the division. When was the last time we saw a flea flicker for a homerun TD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I don't see much in the way of talent outside the skill positions on offense. This talent went 3-13 last year and may have slightly underperformed. This is a 5 or 6 win team just based on talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rskins06 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Biggest difference now and then.......Bobby Beathard! I do like Jay though and really hope Dan is patient with him! Anyone have a phone number for bobby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I no longer believe that the talent is here or that the holes can be filled in a year or two. Great receivers - but no way to have a consistent passing game because of the horrific OL. Very good rushing DL/OLB - but not a single DB who can cover. Six WRs on roster (not including Hankerson), none of them an impact ST player. And given the state of the DB, no CB should be used on ST. Yes, we have some good/great players, but they don't add up to even a mediocre team. Gruden seems like a nice guy, but there is only so much a coach can do. And the Bengals don't seem to be struggling offensively without him - not a hit on Gruden, but the Bengals have put together a good group of players on offense without throwing away draft picks or excessive FA money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Bobby Beathard was the architect and Joe Gibbs was the captain. This team doesn't draft well, that's going to be the biggest hurdle if they're going to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKYNYRD Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 We have waited...year after year after year We keep getting our hopes up just to be shot down, year after year. Speaking for myself, I'm numb from the losing and people telling me how bad this team was and still is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Sorry Hap. You know I have the utmost respect for you, but this is a case of as long as Snyder owns the team it will be a case of history repeating itself. He has too itchy of a trigger finger. He can't help himself. I am not one of the many gullible fans that fall for the quick fix moves that he makes year after year after year. I'll give him credit in the PR department, but that is all he (and Allen) are good for. We have no hope. I am defeated as a Washington Football Team fan. They don't deserve to be called "Redskins". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapHaszard Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Sorry Hap. You know I have the utmost respect for you, but this is a case of as long as Snyder owns the team it will be a case of history repeating itself. He has too itchy of a trigger finger. He can't help himself. I am not one of the many gullible fans that fall for the quick fix moves that he makes year after year after year. I'll give him credit in the PR department, but that is all he (and Allen) are good for. We have no hope. I am defeated as a Washington Football Team fan. They don't deserve to be called "Redskins". That is exactly the way I felt yesterday. I'm probably looking thru my burgundy and gold glasses, but I still think its to early to throw out the year. I'm willing to wait a bit more, to be honest, I was screaming my head off about Joe Gibbs' start. I guess that is coloring my thinking right now. In any case to most last year was the worse season they ever experienced, but I still remember 61 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 As this year goes, and looking at the remaining schedule, I just can't see us winning more than 6 games... and that's throwing in the last game here against the Cowboys as the 6th. But I agree with you on time (years)... with the bogus capgate and the traded 2 first round picks behind us, I believe some pieces will fall into place for a much better team. Along with RGIII staying healthy (when he gets better), I feel the coaching staff (whoever it may be at the time behind Gruden) needs to show the players HOW to become a well oiled machine when they hit the field... and NOT an '85 Yugo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Now that I've had a day to cool off from Thursday nights really poor showing against the Giants, I think its time for a little history lesson. I remember when a young offensive coordinator, from the Chargers, took over a Redskins team, all the hype was for a great season "Air Coryell" type offense coming to DC, we were going to fly high with the new system. Everyone knows what happened, we started out 0-5, no internet just the Washington Post, The Daily News and the Washington Times, but they sounded like this Message Board. What was Bobby Beathard thinking bringing an unproven head coach to the Redskins. That Joe Gibbs guy, needs to be fired, and a real head coach brought in. Our new coach inherited a team in much worse condition than the one Joe Gibbs had. I guess what I'm saying is I've been to quick to judge this team along with others. I'm tired of rebuilding, I'm tired of losing, but I think we need to step back and just wait a while before going off the deep end. Its going to take time, this team has been a mess for a long time. I can see potential it just needs to be developed. I'm going to bite my tongue and just sit back and watch for a while, It may work out. Thanks Hap! You just cheered me up... God I've been depressed... n all my friggin Giants friends... and the chit I have been talkin.... they are just itchin to have a word with me... I've been avoiding them at all cost... but thanks Bro! Seahawks - loss Cardinals - loss Titans - win? Cowboys - must win Vikings - win ? Tampa - win ? SF - loss Indi - must win St. Louis - win? so before the home stretch we could be - 7 - 6...and right in the thick of things... its possible... HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearlessNelms Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Every once in awhile, I can't help thinking what if Snyder never got rid of Schottenheimer. To start off 0-5 with that team in 2001 and end up 8-8 was almost miraculous. I know Schottenheimer wasn't a first time coach in his one year with the Skins, but his recover from an 0-5 start to go .500 was probably more impressive than Gibbs feat of coming back from 0-5 to 8-8 in his first year. Could you imagine if Cooke or Beathard fired Gibbs after year one? I know the rants about Schottenheimer's bad record in the playoffs, but hell, the guy was almost guaranteed to get you 10 wins every year and get you into the tournament. How many people on this board wouldn't have took a perennial 10-12 win team that got into the playoffs every year, which is what we might have got if Snyder kept Schottenheimer around for awhile. I believe firing Schottenheimer was one of Snyder's biggest if not the biggest mistake he has made since taking over ownership. He had the franchise heading in the right direction, but because he wasn't liked by some key veterans and Snyder couldn't control him, he had to be let go...anotehr horrible move that set the franchise back a bunch of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 We have waited...year after year after year We keep getting our hopes up just to be shot down, year after year. Speaking for myself, I'm numb from the losing and people telling me how bad this team was and still is. Yeah, I am numb also, it really kind of feels like this every game for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Every once in awhile, I can't help thinking what if Snyder never got rid of Schottenheimer. To start off 0-5 with that team in 2001 and end up 8-8 was almost miraculous. I know Schottenheimer wasn't a first time coach in his one year with the Skins, but his recover from an 0-5 start to go .500 was probably more impressive than Gibbs feat of coming back from 0-5 to 8-8 in his first year. Could you imagine if Cooke or Beathard fired Gibbs after year one? I know the rants about Schottenheimer's bad record in the playoffs, but hell, the guy was almost guaranteed to get you 10 wins every year and get you into the tournament. How many people on this board wouldn't have took a perennial 10-12 win team that got into the playoffs every year, which is what we might have got if Snyder kept Schottenheimer around for awhile. I believe firing Schottenheimer was one of Snyder's biggest if not the biggest mistake he has made since taking over ownership. He had the franchise heading in the right direction, but because he wasn't liked by some key veterans and Snyder couldn't control him, he had to be let go...anotehr horrible move that set the franchise back a bunch of years. I loved Schott... He was building a team... great coach... shoulda won a couple SBs with the browns...shocked me when we fired him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I taped Sean Taylors football life... I can't watch it after Thursday.. prob cant watch it til' we win one... make me too damned depressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Every once in awhile, I can't help thinking what if Snyder never got rid of Schottenheimer. To start off 0-5 with that team in 2001 and end up 8-8 was almost miraculous. I know Schottenheimer wasn't a first time coach in his one year with the Skins, but his recover from an 0-5 start to go .500 was probably more impressive than Gibbs feat of coming back from 0-5 to 8-8 in his first year. Could you imagine if Cooke or Beathard fired Gibbs after year one? Getting rid of Marty after only one season is and probably will remain the most controversial move of Snyder's ownership. However, one of the big criticisms of Snyder's ownership has been his focus on big-name coaches instead of on the front office, and you have to wonder if success under Marty would've reinforced that view. Snyder allegedly fired Marty because Marty wouldn't agree to a GM (even though Marty had a good one in KC with Carl Peterson and Snyder ultimately just brought back a mediocre stooge in Vinny). At least now it seems Snyder is starting to recognize the value of a front office.....time will tell if Allen, the guy currently in charge, is the right man for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I know the rants about Schottenheimer's bad record in the playoffs, but hell, the guy was almost guaranteed to get you 10 wins every year and get you into the tournament. How many people on this board wouldn't have took a perennial 10-12 win team that got into the playoffs every year, which is what we might have got if Snyder kept Schottenheimer around for awhile. I believe firing Schottenheimer was one of Snyder's biggest if not the biggest mistake he has made since taking over ownership. He had the franchise heading in the right direction, but because he wasn't liked by some key veterans and Snyder couldn't control him, he had to be let go...anotehr horrible move that set the franchise back a bunch of years. How many teams went to a single Super Bowl after firing Schottenheimer? Browns fans, LOL, Chiefs fans, LOL, Chargers Fans, LOL, yeah and us Redskins fans too, thx Snyder. Cowher was a Schottenheimer dude and the Steelers stuck with him longer than anybody stuck with Marty and he got 1 SB then he quit but he may have won them 2-3 more. And I still say O'Donnel was paid off by somebody in that one SB lol. Yeah I was pissed when i found out he was fired too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Biggest difference now and then.......Bobby Beathard! I do like Jay though and really hope Dan is patient with him! Anyone have a phone number for bobby? Gosh, Bobby was the best. I wish he would come back. In some kind of consultation role maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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