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Kirk Cousins and RGIII: The Realization


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Before anyone gets worried, no this is not an "oh my God, Kirk is the best everrr" or vice versa troll thread.  God knows, we've had enough of those this season.

 

I wanted to address an alarming realization I came to today while in the game thread.  That realization is that it really sucks to be the quarterback of the Washington Redskins.

 

Going into this game, a good number of people suggested Kirk was a terrible QB who would fair poorly if asked to start, judging him on the last weeks of the 2013 debacle.  Before that, some were ready to give up on RGIII after a less than stellar opener vs. Houston.

 

Never mind that it was a new offense under Gruden or that the offensive line performed worse than orange cones against Watt. and co....and never mind that Kirk was coming in with less than a half season of starting experience under his belt into a division game on the road where a win would mean putting up a serious number of points vs. the best offense in the NFL.

 

Well, Kirk came in and threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs.  He did throw a pick but every NFL quarterback does that, yes, every, single, one.  Hell, Brett Favre made a career out of throwing back-breaking INTs and we all see what Manning does when the games get big.  Not to mention, it was debatable whose fault it really was.  Even before the failed end-of-game drive, the game thread grew ugly for Kirk as if he was expected or worse,  not allowed, to not make a single mistake in just his 5th start of his career.

 

I saw the usual "and that's why he's Kirk Cousins" posts and "that's why he'll never be a great QB" posts...and after a stellar performance by a guy who sure as hell wasn't expected to come in and throw for 400 yards and 3 TDs, a good portion of the people commenting, jumped on him.

 

And that's when I realized, for Redskins fans, is anything satisfactory?  No growing pains are allowed.  No mistakes are accepted.  If you can't come in and win a game like Joe Montana, don't let the door hit you on the way out.  No context is taken into consideration.  Whether or not your teammates helped you out is irrelevant.

 

You are judged by a group with a leash so short it would fit Gary Coleman.

 

So Robert, Kirk, I'm sorry, you really have come into a no-win situation.  You are expected to be perfect, and anything less than that, is apparently intolerable.

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I thought KC played great today. Once again, it was our special teams that lost this game. The offense looked great, when was the last time the offense looked so good 2 weeks in a row since last year. I have to say though, that Eagles offense is impressive and we were able to stay with them. I don't think QB is the biggest issue, with either QB we have. Not sure though offense plays this well with RGIII........yet.

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We're losing (year after year) because we can't get out of our own way.  Both losses came this year because we're making costly mistakes.  Missed 33 yard field goals in the 4th quarter, blocked punts, kick returns for TD's, fumbling the ball multiple times a game in the red zone, the list goes on... 

 

Our 7-game winning streak in 2012 occurred because it was a window of time where we we'rent making these kinds of mistakes.  We beat JAX because we didn't make those kinds of mistakes (and because, well... Jax sucks).  We won't turn the corner until we start taking care of these issues like real teams do.

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KC made COSTLY mistakes. However, he played well enough to win 9/10 times. That was one of the best passing displays we've had in years. 

 

And he wasn't sacked.

 

I'm not sure RG3 at this moment could have replicated that[/

I would take that from our QB every week. This one falls on shoulders of our Special teams who cost us 10 points. Defense played good enough to win, the Eagle offense is really good.

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KC made COSTLY mistakes. However, he played well enough to win 9/10 times. That was one of the best passing displays we've had in years. 

 

And he wasn't sacked.

 

I'm not sure RG3 at this moment could have replicated that

 

Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily a stretch to think that while trying to extend a play that a sack would have happened with someone else.

 

Something I'm wondering about is the Bengals seemed to always have issues on offense when it mattered and today we seemed to fold on offense when we were essentially unstoppable most of the game.  I hope that, no matter who it is, Gruden does not become know for mediocre calls in the most crucial drives.

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That and we collectively have very low fan football IQ. Embarasses me to say it, but it's true.

 

I'm not a Skins fan but I'd say, across the board, the fans have a relatively high level of football IQ, perhaps excepting their own games.    You're right though that they're desperate for a stellar QB (and due it made 2012 a fun year to watch the team and fans).  

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Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily a stretch to think that while trying to extend a play that a sack would have happened with someone else.

 

Something I'm wondering about is the Bengals seemed to always have issues on offense when it mattered and today we seemed to fold on offense when we were essentially unstoppable most of the game.  I hope that, no matter who it is, Gruden does not become know for mediocre calls in the most crucial drives.

 

Calls weren't bad. KC didn't deliver there. Hopefully he learns from that

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The sooner this fanbase reallizes that they do not get to decide who the starting QB is, and support who ever is playing in the game, the sooner We do not have read thread after thread of ridiculous bile that continues to be thrown out like your opinion matters in the first place.

 

Just my opinion.......... :)

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I just still find it funny the first two weeks people were saying our D was elite.

Its haslett people

Pretty laughable actually that people think our defense isn't very good. They aren't elite but they are very good. They bottled up possibly the best back in the league to 1 ypc. They gave up some plays against the best offense in the league. But they also got more than enough stops in the second half and a turnover in the first to win the game. Orakpo and Kerrigan were killing foles much of the day. This game was lost once again by special teams.

Back to the thread. Cousins was amazing. He connected perfectly on two bombs to Desean and Pierre. He was lights out most of the game. The pick was bad and his couple poor throws at the end of the game are certainly magnified due to the situation. But he got every one involved and tore the eagles apart. Again this one falls on special teams once again and some seriously bs calls against us and a total lack of many calls that should have been made but weren't against the eagles.

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Putting up that many points against a decent opponent in their stadium -- that has to be one positive to take from this game.

We can squabble over Cousins vs. Griffin, but from the small sample of games it seem that if the Skins defense starts tightening down and stopping opponents, that will result in more "W"s.

The Skins defense needs to be able to cover for the occasional mistakes and turnovers the offense is bound to make. That will allow the offense to keep trying to be explosive; there are a lot of playmakers on offense.

...And as for special teams? They simply need to play at the "middle of the pack" level, and not cost so many points.

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You are absolutely right.

 

I don't think Cousins should get the blame for this game, other than the fact the ball was in his hand at the end of the game and all the rest of the numbers prior to that point are meaningless. If he had barely made more than 50% of his passes, had several interceptions and fumbles but miraculously we were within 3 points at the end of a game with time and the ball in hand, that is when the QB has to do something.

 

I was disappointed but no more than I would be under any other loss..... the team did a lot of good things and really I am not sure how Cousins could have done much more - it was just one of those games I don't think the Eagles are that much more of a better team overall they are a better team right now.

 

....but the big mouths (fans/bloggers/media) have poisoned the well.... month and months of negativity to the starting QB mean any mistake any missed chance from the back up is going to be viewed entirely differently than it might have been. I understand the fans to a degree they are desperate for a winner... but they lack any rationality or understanding each season is a new season.

 

This entire QB debate has turned an irritation (which we have champions of the backup over the starter)  into to a total  turn off for me me on not the players or the team or the FO but of the fans. This is the first time I have spent any time on the forum since last tuesday and really I used to spend a lot of time here ... i doubt i will be back...

 

But good OP btw i get what you are saying it is a shame of the people you are saying it too ...

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The worst part is no matter how well Kirk or Robert plays, we are back to giving out 30+ points a game, and no team is going to win with a Defense that gives away that many points.

We gave up 30 points defensively to an extremely tough offense. We also forced a turnover and had a few stops.  

 

Wasn't the '85 bears, but I don't think that the defense is really going to revert to last year. Unless they get so riddled with injuries that they can't compete.  If Baker misses time, Hatcher's Hammy doesn't heal up, Hall is out, Porter is still out, etc, then the defense can stat to struggle.  

 

Thought they played ok today, especially in the second half.  

 

ST, on the other hand....

 

Doesn't matter who we trot out there. Swiss cheese defense, terrible STs and a kicker that can't make a gimme from the 27. They are gonna lose a lot of games

I don't blame the defense for this loss.  They had the offense in a position to win the game late, the offense couldn't convert.  

 

The ST blew it.  Gave up 7, and couldn't hit the 3 when it counted.  

 

Don't be coy.  Cousins vs. RG3 isn't a contest at this point.  The sooner the fanbase realized we move forward with Cousins, the better.  Imagine if he ad the experience Griffin had.

Yeah, you're not necessarily correct on that. 

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The realization is that QB is the least of our worries.. We have 2 good young guys with a lot of potential.. Our biggest problem is SPECIAL TEAMS!! What do we have to do, to improve our ST play, to at least mediocre?? Even teams like JVille have decent ST's play, but we can't make it through 2 games w/o giving up a return TD, missing a chipshot or getting something blocked??  What is it?? It's been YEARS of sucky, game costing, dummy ST mistakes that kill us and no matter what we do, we never improve?? I don't think there's a team in the NFL that could be successful on a regular basis giving up return TD's and getting punts/kicks blocked (or missing chip shots).. It's impossible to have a decent record until that phase of our game is corrected once and for all.. Some how, some way..

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I just still find it funny the first two weeks people were saying our D was elite.

Its haslett people

 

I never really remember anybody saying our D was ever elite. We are nowhere near that but at the same time our defense as a whole isn't bad. Also it's not so much Haslett as it is our secondary. Now with D. Hall out for the year it's going to look a lot worse. We're in for another long season and we will have to just hope our offense outscores the other team at this point. Keep in mind we did just almost beat maybe one of the best offenses in the league.

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Jesus some people in here are unbelievable. We were 3 points away from beating perhaps the best team in the NFC after the Seattle Hawks. And we didn't because of special teams. Not the offense, not KC not the defense. Oh and the refs laid over 100 yards of penalties on us when the Eagles should have had 4 holding calls on huge plays.

Thursday can't get here fast enough.

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