daveakl Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Thought this was interesting: Offensive Linemen: (23) – Willie Anderson (T), Tony Boselli (T), Jeff Bostic ©, Lomas Brown (T), Jim Covert (T), Bill Fralic (G/T), Jay Hilgenberg ©, Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull ©, Joe Jacoby (T), Jon Jansen (T), Mike Kenn (T), Jim Lachey (T), Kevin Mawae (C/G), Mark May (G/T/C),Tom Nalen ©, Nate Newton (G), Orlando Pace (T), Chris Samuels (T), Mark Schlereth (G), Will Shields (G), Tra Thomas (T), Steve Wisniewski (G). Check out how many are former Redskins! #Buildthetrench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 If I counted correct, 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Skins have more players in the HoF that played or coached for them, than any other team in the league, besides the Bears (30) and Giants (29). The Skins have 28 Packers have 27, Cowboys 21, Eagles 20, Steelers 25, 49ers 22, Rams 26. The teams with the least are the Saints (7), Broncos and Pats (6), Bucs and Falcons with 5, Ravens 4, Bengals 2, Panthers 1, Houston and Jacksonville (0). Now THAT is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I like Samuels but it's unbelievable he could be in the Hall before Jacoby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l7986 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Sad to see how far the Redskins O line has fallen. Hopefully one of these days someone will see this list and the idea to work on getting an offensive line will stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I have no idea how Will Shields didn't get in yet. I was going to say that Jacoby should've gotten in before Grimm but Shields, Hilgenberg, Wisnewski, and Brown should've been in already too. No idea how Jon Jansen is on that list. Why not just get all the hogs in before worrying about him lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Otis Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Skins have more players in the HoF that played or coached for them, than any other team in the league, besides the Bears (30) and Giants (29). The Skins have 28 Now THAT is insane. That really IS interesting! I honestly had no idea. I always felt like we got slighted by The Hall. Maybe because of the ridiculous Art Monk thing. As far as the HOF'ers I see on that list, I think this group goes in, no doubt: Bill Fralic (I can't believe he's NOT in! His teams sucked, but he was GREAT) Mike Kenn (ditto. But Fralic was better) Will Shields (He's going in - after the dude that played for The Hated Rival, name a better Guard) Russ Grimm (Easily the MOST Talented Member of The Hogs. A mean sonofa****!) These guys probably get in: Kevin Mawae (I have him as a tweener - not quite elite, but probably the best Center in his era) Orlando Pace (Damn fine career. I think Ogden's better, but that's why he's already in) Kent Hull (Do you really think Jim Kelley's Center won't get in? Fine player in his own right) Tra Thomas (Very good. No fanfare, but he was awful tough to beat. Best Eagle Tackle till now) Mark May (believe it or not, I think his game was underrated. Had to be the dirtiest player of The Hogs) Tony Boselli (if a Jag goes in, he's the 1st representative) Outside Shot. Probably get in as old men: Jeff Bostic (Man, did he overachieve in his career! Great blocker, but just isn't better than the dudes above him) Joe Jacoby (I loved ol' 66! He was a VERY GOOD Tackle, just not Elite. LT got him a few too many times) Jim Covert (Ol' Jimbo was the best the Bears had from that era - probably the best Tackle in the Old NFC Central) Chris Hinton (Before anybody gave a damn about Indianapolis, he was up there toiling in obscurity) Lomas Brown (I love Lomas! But as a Hall of Fame Blocker? I dunno. But he was the best Barry Sanders ever had AND I LOVED his facemask!) Honorable Mention. Not Quite Hall material, but very good: Chris Samuels (I have a soft spot for Redskins Tackles; we've got great tradition at this spot!) Jim Lachey (ditto. Gave us a couple of GREAT years) Willie Anderson (He was a really good Tackle. I just don't believe he's Hall-worthy) Steve Wisniewski (Again, he was a fine Guard. Just not a GREAT one) They have no business getting in: Nate Newton (they shouldn't even let his fat ass near Canton city limits! NO WAY) Mark Schlereth (wanna know why he hates The Skins? The Front office considered his ass expendable! They were right) Tom Nalen (I'm not gonna diss him. I just don't think he's HOF material. I'd love him on the roster though) Jon Jansen (It's tough to put a Skins Tackle down here, but he wasn't better than anyone in the groups in front of him. That's the truth) That's how I see it. Now feel free to tell me what a numbskull I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 That really IS interesting! I honestly had no idea. I always felt like we got slighted by The Hall. Maybe because of the ridiculous Art Monk thing. As far as the HOF'ers I see on that list, I think this group goes in, no doubt: Bill Fralic (I can't believe he's NOT in! His teams sucked, but he was GREAT) Mike Kenn (ditto. But Fralic was better) Will Shields (He's going in - after the dude that played for The Hated Rival, name a better Guard) Russ Grimm (Easily the MOST Talented Member of The Hogs. A mean sonofa****!) Grimm is in the Hall of Fame already. Inducted in 2010. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=244&tab=Bio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Otis Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Grimm is in the Hall of Fame already. Inducted in 2010. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=244&tab=Bio I'll be honest; I thought so, but when I saw his name on this list I doubted myself. Bad diehard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Otis Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I have no idea how Will Shields didn't get in yet. Firmly agreed. It's inconceivable that he's being stonewalled like this. No idea how Jon Jansen is on that list. Agreed. Again, it escapes me how he would even generate serious consideration before any of the other names on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Joe Jacoby (I loved ol' 66! He was a VERY GOOD Tackle, just not Elite. LT got him a few too many times) Jacoby redefined the tackle position. And LT took advantage of everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 When I first saw this I thought it was a joke simply because Jansen was on there. I loved the guy, but seriously? How is he even considered? Also depressing that we had two HOF-discussion-worthy tackles on the same line and did squat with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Skins have more players in the HoF that played or coached for them, than any other team in the league, besides the Bears (30) and Giants (29). The Skins have 28 Packers have 27, Cowboys 21, Eagles 20, Steelers 25, 49ers 22, Rams 26. The teams with the least are the Saints (7), Broncos and Pats (6), Bucs and Falcons with 5, Ravens 4, Bengals 2, Panthers 1, Houston and Jacksonville (0). Now THAT is insane. Not really. The team has been around for a million years. It does seem odd that the Skins have more than the Packers though. I just assumed everyone from those Lombari teams made it - like the Celtics from the 60s, where the waterboy gets in. That really IS interesting! I honestly had no idea. I always felt like we got slighted by The Hall. Maybe because of the ridiculous Art Monk thing. As far as the HOF'ers I see on that list, I think this group goes in, no doubt: Bill Fralic (I can't believe he's NOT in! His teams sucked, but he was GREAT) Mike Kenn (ditto. But Fralic was better) Will Shields (He's going in - after the dude that played for The Hated Rival, name a better Guard) Russ Grimm (Easily the MOST Talented Member of The Hogs. A mean sonofa****!) Grimm was inducted 4 years ago. It made all the papers. I think Fralic is hurt by the length of his career and the teams he played on. 9 years is not all that long, especially if you only experienced one winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Schlereth- prolly gets in with 3 rings (2 of them protecting Elway) Jansen- I guess they figured any guy who can play for awhile without his thumbs had to at least get nominated Jacoby- Was the lead blocker for Riggin's iconic SB TD and he was injured on the sidelines when Thiesmann got his leg snapped, enough said. (the previous supporting evidence has all been deemed anecdotal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Joe Jacoby was the all decade Left Tackle for the 80s. To suggest he wasn't elite is absurd. With the Hogs blocking, the Skins broke the SB rushing record TWICE WITH TWO DIFFERENT RBs! No way Boselli should get in before Lachey. Neither one had a career long enough to merit serious consideration, but Lachey protected the blind side of a statue, whereas Boselli played LT for a mobile left-handed QB. Jerry Kramer should be the next OL inducted, and the Jacoby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFK Lives Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I think Jacoby should get in but you know what folks like Peter King (does he still get a vote?) think, "Well, we let Grimm in and that represents the Hogs." Not fair to the individual. Just my thought, I don't have any proof other than a perceived bias on how long it took to get Art and Russ inducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Jacoby should already BE in. the man is the Prototype of what offensive linemen are now. A massive athlete that could move. Joe was 'huge" in his playing days, at 300 lbs. (It's funny,, if you watch an old tape of SB17, joe is introduced as a "behemoth" at 298. 298! He is a fat tight end now. BUT at the time he set the standard. he was the first big athletic tackle who could get out and pull and lead the team, so much so that the offensive line as a group was recognized for team success more than any other OL had ever been before. Jake could play the whole line, although i don't recall him ever playing center, I am pretty sure he played every other position when needed. Jacoby MUST be in the Hall of Fame. After Joe, offensive linemen and what was expected of them changed. Jon Jansen? Really? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Schlereth nomination is proof the Hogs are underrepresented. The fact that he may be good enough to be HOF eligible and yet wasn't good enough to be more than a valuable sub for the Hogs says a lot. The fact that only one Hog is in is outrageous. Mind you, I wish they could go in as a group and then have a roll call of honor with everyone who played there (including Donnie Warren who though a tight end was a Hog through and through) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I thought Steve Wisniewski was in the Hall of Fame already. I guess being one of the meanest guys to ever play the position doesn't always count for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Jacoby should already BE in. I agree. Jacoby is probably the biggest snub out there right now. But the HOF is really bad at dealing with linemen in general. The guy who really stands out to me as not belonging - besides Jansen - is Mark May. That guy has to be riding a great college career and long-time broadcast career to even make it this far. He just always seemed slightly above average to me. (I was actually surprised he made the Pro Bowl once). If we had been good at all during his career, Samuels probably gets more attention. He's kind of in that Fralic category. Relatively brief career on unremarkable (to say the least) teams. You need to be John Hannah good to get attention as a lineman on bad teams. Pace was probably a little better than Samuels all in all. But he will really be the Hall because he played on memorable offenses that made the Super Bowl. May is rewarded because he was on the most famous line ever. Samuels will be ignored because he wasn't. (Not that May is making it. But his even being on this list is remarkable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Otis Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Grimm was inducted 4 years ago. It made all the papers. I think Fralic is hurt by the length of his career and the teams he played on. 9 years is not all that long, especially if you only experienced one winning record. Lombardi, I did correct the post (see #9). And I fully agree that those Falcons teams he played on were atrocious, but that shouldn't prevent his induction. Although in the real world, I know it does. No way Boselli should get in before Lachey. Neither one had a career long enough to merit serious consideration I am inclined to agree - but nowadays, the selection committee has slipped badly (why else are guys like Aikman & Irvin in?). Boselli will probably get in, just to represent the Jags. As previously noted. I think Jacoby should get in but you know what folks like Peter King (does he still get a vote?) think, "Well, we let Grimm in and that represents the Hogs." Not fair to the individual. Agree 100%. That's why I consider him to have an outside shot. Let's be honest: no longer is it about pure "merit". It all boils down to who the committee thinks should be in, and the process has become political. The teams that were fabulously successful will get the benefit of the doubt. The teams that were poor...won't. Is that the best way to judge individual players? No. But that's the reality. And Washington has been proven to be the exception to that rule (see Monk, Art). Jacoby should already BE in. the man is the Prototype of what offensive linemen are now. A massive athlete that could move. Joe was 'huge" in his playing days, at 300 lbs. (It's funny,, if you watch an old tape of SB17, joe is introduced as a "behemoth" at 298. 298! He is a fat tight end now. BUT at the time he set the standard. Jacoby MUST be in the Hall of Fame. After Joe, offensive linemen and what was expected of them changed. I agree. Jacoby is probably the biggest snub out there right now. But the HOF is really bad at dealing with linemen in general. Agree with both of these statements. The Offensive Line & the players that play it suffer from this shortcoming. Schlereth nomination is proof the Hogs are underrepresented. The fact that he may be good enough to be HOF eligible and yet wasn't good enough to be more than a valuable sub for the Hogs says a lot. Yes, agreed. But he'll probably get in, cause of his ties to Elway & that he's works for ESPN. Of course he doesn't belong, but when has that ever stopped the committee from letting an overrated Guard in? (see Dierdorf, Dan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Honorable Mention. Not Quite Hall material, but very good: Jim Lachey (ditto. Gave us a couple of GREAT years) I like your list but here's one I disagree with - Jim Lachey was more than a very good tackle he was elite. He was a better LT than Joe Jacoby who was moved to RT when we traded with the Raiders for Lachey. Now Joe was getting long in the tooth by that stage but even in his prime Lachey was better - and that's not to slight Jacoby was WAS a Hall of Fame player. Injury and the shortening of his career is the only thing which will keep Lachey out of the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Impressive Skins showing. I'm rooting for Joe Jacoby ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Skins have more players in the HoF that played or coached for them, than any other team in the league, besides the Bears (30) and Giants (29). The Skins have 28 This better not be an excuse to keep guys like Jacoby out because guys like Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith shouldn't even count anyway. Would kinda suck if Snyder trying to build a dream team turns out to be why they dont want us to be #1 in HOFers. Hell, Gary Clark deserves to be in the HOF if Crackhead Irvin does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Jon Jansen was solid but I'm kind of surprised to see him on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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