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Just listened to the podcast (Ross Tucker) where Greg Cosell talked a little bit about RG3. Cosell of course is widely considered in the NFL and by experts to be one of the smartest / most knowledgeable guys around, especially when it comes to the QB play. He works for NFL Films and has decades of experience really studying guys, watching endless hours of tapes, scouting (college) players, so if there's one guy who knows what he's talking about it's him.

 

He was asked by Tucker if we as Redskins fans should have any hope regarding RG3, which was a stupid way to word the question in the first place and rightfully so Cosell got a little offended ("the way you ask this question it's obvious you don't think he can play"). After being put in his place Tucker tries again. This time he's asking Cosell if he thinks that based on RG3's preseason performance (the entire 3 snaps) whether he's seen enough to believe that RG3 can become a pure pocket passer under Gruden. Again, stupid question, but Cosell responded anyway. Basically he's saying you can't make any judgement right now based considering RG3 has never in his life been involved in this kind of offense so what exactly do people expect. It'll take time. People shouldn't be surprised because of the timing/rhythm we lack in the passing game, that he's working on his footwork & balance, the routes (timing), all that takes time. Cosell also says "what RG3 is going through is totally expected. Totally. It's not news! For people it is, but not for me it's not news at all."

 

Thought it was interesting to listen to, with all this trashing of RG3 coming from people that don't really follow the game or the Redskins. They look at his rookie year, now they look at a couple of pre season snaps, they see the numbers where like in his last game a tipped ball got picked or a huge play got called back by a bogus penalty, and then they make certain judgements without really thinking and going things through. It's not always just black & white, it's a lot more complicated. That's why it's nice to hear from somebody who knows what he's talking about to paint a better picture of this situation.

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Jaws seems to think RG3's mechanics have "all regressed", but that is Jaws. He never had anything to say good about RG3 anyway.

 

It would be interesting to hear what Young has to say about RG3's progress. After all, he went through the same transition in San Fran from scrambling, bumbling QB to proficient pocket passer.  If he feels it's normal, I am okay with everything.

 

So, folks, get ready to see up and down games for 6-8 weeks, maybe before he starts to get things right. In other words, another slow, painful and agonizing season.

 

They must be prepared to sacrifice this season for the sake of developing RG3.

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But that goes back to RG3 doing something he's never done in his life. If you ask a RB to line up at WR of course their mechanics won't look as good. It's part of transitioning. You (Jaws) can't say RG3's mechanics regressed because he has never done this before. Regressed compared to what? This is the first time he's doing it.

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We had a string of games last year where our offense was clicking, but Reed and Hankerson both went down with injuries right around the same time, and our offense seemed to go with them. Hard to recover from the loss of your stud TE and #2 WR. If people stay (more or less) healthy, I think our O will be fine. There will of course be ups and downs, but I think those injuries, combined with some questionable game planning & play calling, are more to blame for last year's issues than Griffin (which isn't to say that Grif doesn't deserve blame, of course he does).

 

There will be some growing pains, but I don't think there will be as many as some here seem to think.

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I'm glad the expert isn't declaring him a bust, but I'm not happy to hear that he's just now working on the basics in year three because he's never done this before. The redskins aren't running some exotic unheard of offense, he's being asked to pass the football like every other QB.

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Destino I agree, we are in huge trouble at least this year if we are saying we got a QB in his 3rd year and he just now learning how to be a well rounded QB. If he was so successful in 2012 because he was comfortable in that offence then Gruden must put some of that back into the playbook. We have tremendous talent at WR and RB you can't tell me RGIII is so behind that he can't at the very least pass accurately. Move him around the pocket, throw in there some read option plays, do play action, whatever it takes to get him comfortable and not thinking about "reading" the D on every play.

I believe we have the D this year to make a run at the NFCE division, especially since it seems the Giants and Cowboys have huge problems to overcome. yes the Eagles will be tough but I am not sure that Defenses have not prepared for Kelly's offense. Its all up to RGIII to just play serviceable not God like football and we will win this division.

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I'm glad the expert isn't declaring him a bust, but I'm not happy to hear that he's just now working on the basics in year three because he's never done this before. The redskins aren't running some exotic unheard of offense, he's being asked to pass the football like every other QB.

 

Well, what do you expect? He's a gifted athlete, he's got one more weapon to work with than 99% of the QB's out there. At least in terms of how good he's at it. Of course whoever coaches him is gonna make it part of his game, otherwise it'd be a waste. And considering he's always had incredible amount of success there was no need to turn him into a pure pocket passer and that was basically the point Cosell made. He has never been a pure pocket passer. That's like telling DeSean not to run any go routes, it wouldn't make sense. And it's not like Jay is trying to turn RG3 into a pure pocket passer either.

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I always look at these assessments and think they're a bit over the top.  I mean we're talking about Robert in this thread as if he's a bad qb who can't throw for his life.  In his bad year, he completed over 60% of his passes and had a positive TD:Int ratio.  In his good year, he was arguably one of the top four qbs in the league (as a rookie).  He has plenty of room to grow and improve, but I think we are guilty of overanalyzing this kid.

There's a reason he has such good numbers in college and the pros and it's not jsut pure athleticism.  We're not starting at ground zero here.  He's already a better qb than most starters.

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Yeah Koolblue13, how come they keep bringing up Robert in every thread...Ooh wait you came into a thread about Robert to say that?  lol

 

 

My hope is that our coach has a good idea of where Robert is on his learning curve and that we can work with the skills that he has already developed, rather than ask him to learn new with live bullets.

 

In other words, lets play to his strength and get back to learning and practicing more PURE pocket work in the Spring.  Not that he can't do it now, but he will be better next year and beyond.  We don't have to put him in a bad position now, and we don't have to expect a wasted season.

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Yeah Koolblue13, how come they keep bringing up Robert in every thread...Ooh wait you came into a thread about Robert to say that?  lol

 

 

I was hoping for something new, not "it's preseason and a new offense"

 

We all know that he has been working mostly on his mechanics, we know he hasn't started on his rhythm passing and we know the game plan isn't creative. This is nothing new.

 

Fans are eating up what the media is feeding them, but everything the nonreactionary fan understands and everything coming from inside the team, is the exact opposite.

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Love Cosell and he is indeed a film guru. That being said? I don't care how uncomfortable Robert is in this offense, it won't take away the pain as a 'skins fan if we keep losing being that he has a ****load of weapons at his disposal.

 

This isn't the ****ing DFL. This is the ****ing NFL. Let's see how many of you get that.

 

But hey! There's always next year because it's a guarantee that we will win the Lombardi next year! :rolleyes:

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Greg Cosell is right. It will take time. But there are still not a lot of excuses for his poor footwork and missing wide open receivers. Those are not really offense-specific issues. Did Cosell speak on that? Because that is what I think Jaws is getting at and it's hard to deny from what we have seen this preseason.

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I'm glad the expert isn't declaring him a bust, but I'm not happy to hear that he's just now working on the basics in year three because he's never done this before. The redskins aren't running some exotic unheard of offense, he's being asked to pass the football like every other QB.

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I was hoping for something new, not "it's preseason and a new offense"...

...Fans are eating up what the media is feeding them, but everything the nonreactionary fan understands and everything coming from inside the team, is the exact opposite.

i like your word choice here.

But imo Cosell's comments are new for reactionary fans and fans that eat up what the media says.

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i like your word choice here.

But imo Cosell's comments are new for reactionary fans and fans that eat up what the media says.

That's true, but I don't know if it matters if an actual expert tries to talk the fans off the ledge or not. Just in this thread, half a page in, people are ready to jump.

 

I appreciate what he says and because of its positive(ish) wait and see tone, people would just glance over it.

 

I'm sticking to what I've been saying all off season. Robert will struggle in the first half, at least until the bye and we will rely on our defense and run game. Second half of the season, our passing game will hit stride.

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I'm sticking to what I've been saying all off season. Robert will struggle in the first half, at least until the bye and we will rely on our defense and run game. Second half of the season, our passing game will hit stride.

This.

And it's not like Griffin will be straight ass. He will make some plays. He has that it factor. He won't be consistent, but he'll make some plays...

Until then, we got Morris, we got a pass rush, and hopefully our Special Teams won't shoot us in the foot. We'll be okay.

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I would still link to hear the original content for myself...but based on the OP:

 

[Ross Tucker] asking Cosell if he thinks that based on RG3's preseason performance (the entire 3 snaps) whether he's seen enough to believe that RG3 can become a pure pocket passer under Gruden

 

 

Greg Cosell's previous comments on what/how much teams show in Pre-Season:                    

 

 "What you don't know, and this is what makes it difficult, is what teams are looking to accomplish. Some teams do very little when it comes to schematics on either side of the ball; they're simply looking to evaluate players. You may or may not know that, depending on relationships you have with personnel. Other teams, with new coaches, may be doing schematics, and you get a feel for how a team may play. One quick example is the Eagles in their third preseason game against Jacksonville -- when Michael Vick played into the third quarter, everyone assumed you'd see the 'Chip Kelly Offense,' and that would be the so-called dress rehearsal. I've studied Oregon's offense for years, and to me, that was not the offense we're going to see."

 

Cosell comments on the Skins vs Saint 2012:                                                                           

 

"They didn't show any of that stuff (previously). The Saints, therefore, had never seen it on film. They could watch Baylor film all day long, and maybe they did, but we're in the NFL now. So they hadn't seen any of that.

 

 

 

- Imo Cosell is saying a fact that many people selectively forget.....basically the offense you see in pre-season may not be the offense you see in the regular...at all.

So how can you sensibly make a projection about Griffin playing in Gruden's offense  when odds are we haven't seen the offense at all during pre-season?

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i like your word choice here.

But imo Cosell's comments are new for reactionary fans and fans that eat up what the media says.

Not all fans need the media to come up with their own conclusion.  

 

I don't know what's going to happen with Robert. I'll reserve judgment for when the bullets fly. Like I said before. He's got a ****load of talent at his disposal and if the team is struggling because he can't handle basic NFL QB fundamentals? His teammates will take notice. That, I can guarandamntee you.

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Just listened to the podcast (Ross Tucker) where Greg Cosell talked a little bit about RG3.

 

...Cosell also says "what RG3 is going through is totally expected. Totally. It's not news! For people it is, but not for me it's not news at all."

http://www.rosstucker.com/wp/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/

Starts talking Griffin @ ~16:18

 

Cosell goes on to say: I don't know what fans expect? RE: Griffin and Eli Manning

When you get a guy learning a new offense in month and your getting I don't know ~90 snaps and expect it to be mastered...Again I don't know what people expect...

 

Ross Tucker: People expect Griffin and Eli not to look like crap...

 

Cosell: Well we also haven't played a regular season game yet; which anybody's gameplanned. So again I keep coming back to the same thing (what do poople expect?)...I'll give you a perfect example. Bears O vs Seahawks D. I know the Bears offense very well and they just ran plays, they didn't gameplan at all they just ran plays they wanted to practice. And the Seahawks beat them pretty badly and everybody is ripping the Bears. But they just ran plays they wanted practice. I don't know what the issues are with people. Its Preseason. You have to let the regular season start and coaches gameplan. And actual try to attack defenses they're playing against.

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Not all fans need the media to come up with their own conclusion.

You are disagreeing with something I didn't even say.  

 

I don't know what's going to happen with Robert. I'll reserve judgment for when the bullets fly...if the team is struggling because he can't handle basic NFL QB fundamentals?

I don't know what's gonna happen with Griff either, and I'll also reserve judgement. That's pretty much what Cosell is saying here. And if you truely are doing what you've said above I don't see the point in worrying/speculating about negative hypotheticals. Especially when Griffin's brief career doesn't suggest there is much to worry about other then injury.
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Love Cosell and he is indeed a film guru. That being said? I don't care how uncomfortable Robert is in this offense, it won't take away the pain as a 'skins fan if we keep losing being that he has a ****load of weapons at his disposal.

This isn't the ****ing DFL. This is the ****ing NFL. Let's see how many of you get that.

But hey! There's always next year because it's a guarantee that we will win the Lombardi next year! :rolleyes:

Bad day yesterday?

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That's true, but I don't know if it matters if an actual expert tries to talk the fans off the ledge or not. Just in this thread, half a page in, people are ready to jump.

 

I appreciate what he says and because of its positive(ish) wait and see tone, people would just glance over it.

My point was only that this thread is different from the other Griffin threads because it has a specific focus Cosell's statement. And if the thread stays on track about Cosell then it doesn't have to devolve into just another Griffin/Cousins/Pocket Passer thread.

This thread could be tagged: Cosell reminds fans KEEP CALM ITS ONLY PRESEASON.

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