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It's also the necessity of narrative.  They have been hyping Manziel to the hilt all offseason.  He's been ESPN's number one story.  If he's totally dog poo then what do they do?  Clearly, they have to make excuses.

Now, the Redskins' preseason D has looked pretty good the first two weeks, but on the other hand, there were a lot of open receivers who were just missed against the Browns.  I think the Redskins D helped, but that was some bad qb play.

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It's also the necessity of narrative.  They have been hyping Manziel to the hilt all offseason.  He's been ESPN's number one story.  If he's totally dog poo then what do they do?  Clearly, they have to make excuses.

Now, the Redskins' preseason D has looked pretty good the first two weeks, but on the other hand, there were a lot of open receivers who were just missed against the Browns.  I think the Redskins D helped, but that was some bad qb play.

 

There were also a lot of open receivers who were a nanosecond away from being tackled/blasted by a Skins defensive player had they caught the ball.

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That first take is sold on the defense is to me, stupid. These guys are clowns. Let's also not forget the browns had a few dropped balls that helped out this defense. A good QB would've shredded them the way they were playing. Another point, they let Johnny Football off the 1 yard line. Really? That's good? I saw a lot of reasons for concern myself. Haslett still doesn't make good play calls. It's unfortunate because I think we have some good pieces; they're just not put in a good position by our DC. The sooner Haslett leaves, the better. We're lucky in that if ST and Offense are better we might still be competitive.

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That first take is sold on the defense is to me, stupid. These guys are clowns. Let's also not forget the browns had a few dropped balls that helped out this defense. A good QB would've shredded them the way they were playing. Another point, they let Johnny Football off the 1 yard line. Really? That's good? I saw a lot of reasons for concern myself. Haslett still doesn't make good play calls. It's unfortunate because I think we have some good pieces; they're just not put in a good position by our DC. The sooner Haslett leaves, the better. We're lucky in that if ST and Offense are better we might still be competitive.

 

Good lord, not another "A good QB would have shredded the defense" post lol...

 

Please explain how the Skins were playing that would have lead to a "shredding" by a merely good QB? Go into specifics, because quite frankly, this board has more than enough hyperbole to last a few decades as it is. How many receivers got behind the secondary but were overthrown? How many missed tackles were there when WRs did actually catch the ball? How many blown coverages did you see? Let's here specifics and analysis, and not more goofy "fanspeak" fueled by a hatred of Haslett.

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Now, the Redskins' preseason D has looked pretty good the first two weeks, but on the other hand, there were a lot of open receivers who were just missed against the Browns.  I think the Redskins D helped, but that was some bad qb play.

Yeah, I wonder if they watched the game, or just looked at the stat sheet.

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He lost me at "Rambo". 

 

Seriously, I think the Skins starting 11 on D, match with up with any starting 11 in football and the front 7 are the best.  I can't wait to see Hatcher in action.  This could be a 50+ sack team.

 

The Redskins front 7 are the best in the NFL? Thats a huge stretch IMO - The Rams, 49ers and Panthers spring to mind as teams with better front 7s than us and I'm sure there are others. 

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The Redskins front 7 are the best in the NFL? Thats a huge stretch IMO - The Rams, 49ers and Panthers spring to mind as teams with better front 7s than us and I'm sure there are others.

Frankly, the Browns starting front 7 sure looked pretty awesome, to me.

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Now, the Redskins' preseason D has looked pretty good the first two weeks, but on the other hand, there were a lot of open receivers who were just missed against the Browns.  I think the Redskins D helped, but that was some bad qb play.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.  I was actually rather bothered by how many open receivers there were that the Browns QB's simply missed.

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I think the other thing contextually to keep in mind here is that, Skip Bayless is still backing RG3 as "his guy" from that 2012 draft so alot of their redskins analysis is biased in our favor.  Also, Ryan Clark has been on that show a large number of times, and this past season he was there an absolute ton, so First Take actually has some favorable bias, on the field at least.  

 

I think skip has already done his preseason pick of the skins taking the east or has at least mentioned it, so whether their analysis of the D is correct or not, there is a definite bias (perhaps intelligent opinion lol) to keep in mind.  

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I think the other thing contextually to keep in mind here is that, Skip Bayless is still backing RG3 as "his guy" from that 2012 draft so alot of their redskins analysis is biased in our favor.  Also, Ryan Clark has been on that show a large number of times, and this past season he was there an absolute ton, so First Take actually has some favorable bias, on the field at least.  

 

I think skip has already done his preseason pick of the skins taking the east or has at least mentioned it, so whether their analysis of the D is correct or not, there is a definite bias (perhaps intelligent opinion lol) to keep in mind.  

 

Both said that they have believed in the talent on the Skins' defense for years, so this isn't false praise due to liking Clark or RG3.

Here is an actual breakdown and analysis of Hoyer, done by a Browns' writer (fan?)...it doesn't seem to reach the same conclusions that some on this thread are reaching about the Skins' defense:

 

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/8/22/6055609/game-review--brian-hoyers-day-in-browns-24-23-loss-to-redskins

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The thing is, nobody is saying that we shut the Browns down, they're just saying we got pressure on the QB. Honestly, I'll take that. This is the NFL, offenses are good. They're going to have some success. My thing is, as long as you can rush the passer and play good red zone defense, you will be in pretty good shape. 

 

I believe that our defense will be able to accomplish that. 

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The thing is, nobody is saying that we shut the Browns down, they're just saying we got pressure on the QB. Honestly, I'll take that. This is the NFL, offenses are good. They're going to have some success. My thing is, as long as you can rush the passer and play good red zone defense, you will be in pretty good shape. 

 

I believe that our defense will be able to accomplish that. 

 

Thank you lol...it seems, though, as if some felt the Browns' WRs were running open all over the field, but the horrendous QB play had them missing sure TDs left and right. The Skins' defense got pressure, caused incompletions, had sound tackling and had a turnover to boot. There was zero to indicate they would have been "shredded" if a good QB had played in the 1st half.

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Good lord, not another "A good QB would have shredded the defense" post lol...

 

Please explain how the Skins were playing that would have lead to a "shredding" by a merely good QB? Go into specifics, because quite frankly, this board has more than enough hyperbole to last a few decades as it is. How many receivers got behind the secondary but were overthrown? How many missed tackles were there when WRs did actually catch the ball? How many blown coverages did you see? Let's here specifics and analysis, and not more goofy "fanspeak" fueled by a hatred of Haslett.

 

This.

 

Even where the WRs were "open" there was always at least one or two Redskins in the vicinity ready to make a tackle. Wide Receivers will get open, that is the emphasis of the NFL rules now. If you can keep them in front of you and make the tackle for little to no YAC, you are doing good. Combine that with the pressure they were putting on the QBs, part of the reason they weren't hitting the "open" receivers is that the pockets were collapsing and they were getting pressured.

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It's preseason which I put zero stock in. If we can get our D to the middle of the pack that would be a huge accomplishment.

I agree.  The most hopeful sign we've seen so far has been relatively good tackling.  I suspect a broken tackle is a broken tackle and would happen equally in the preseason as it would during the regular (actually, it might happen more in the pre since of the different talent levels and sometimes uneven effort).

 

Is the scheme improved? Is the pressure improved? It looks good so far, but we won't know until September.  However, physical play is physical play and good tackling is good tackling.

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Every team has WRs open on every play.  It's "rare" that the defense is able to cover every player on one play, but it happens and that's where you get a "coverage sack." 

 

But even though they had guys open, doesn't mean that other varibles shouldn't be thought about.  Watching the replay yesterday, our front 7 got real good pressure on Hoyer and Manziel.  It forced them to 1) Step up in the pocket and throw "kind of on the run" instead of setting their feet and getting a good throw 2) throwing off their back foot/unbalanced 3) throwing to a receiver that they didn't want to throw to (meaning their first option) and 4) hurrying their throws, which caused them to throw behind the receivers a lot.

 

So, I think some of you should at least do a little "looking" before declaring things that aren't true.

 

This is a passing league. The NFL wants it that way.  There is no way in hell that someone "won't" be open on any given play.  Now that they are ratcheting up the contact/interference rules, you're gonna see even "more" guys open.  I'm going to watch the Chicago/Seattle game tonight.  Bears have some really good WRs and it will be interesting to see how many of them will be "wide open" against the vaunted Seahawks secondary.

 

I think the name of the game will be to have a formiddible front 7 in order to combat these rule changes and I can see us having a very good front 7 if all the pieces fall into place. 

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I like our D thus far, but better competition (as in capable QB play) and game planning could change all that. For example, I've liked Keenan from the get go, but if he's susceptible to PA, then teams are likely to see that and target him. Not so much in Preseason though.

Anyway, I see the potential for a big step forward by the D, but I'm not ready to call them (much) improved just yet. Excited for the Bmore game.

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This isn't just good news, if this Defense plays up to it's ability and becomes a top 10 and hold teams to 17-20 points a game, the Redskins will take that step to elite status and that's a damn fact! This offense is going to score points and most likely average 24 + a game, we could actually be fighting this season for home field through out the playoffs!  

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