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I looked in the "Around the NFL" section too, didn't see it but I was sure there would be one. His comments and the reaction to them have been all over the place.

 

Several notes:

First, I agree in theory with what he said, I wouldn't want the distraction either (drafting Sam).

Note, I have no problem with gays, gay marriage etc... to each his own.  I just wouldn't want to have to answer all the questions and deal with the circus. Hopefully as time goes on, this won't be anything that anyone cares to talk about in the future.

 

Second, I do think it was odd that Dungy wouldn't want that distraction but was a HUGE advocate for Michael Vick.  That was a huge distraction.

 

Finally, have any of you seen the twitter blasting of Dungy, particularly the attacks regarding his son... wow, way across the line.

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I don't have twitter, so I don't know how bad the backlash is, but people's over reactions in this day and age have become toxic to intelligent or even congenial discussion.

If he had said he wouldn't sign Tebow because he wouldn't want the distraction, how vituperative would the responses have been?

As much as I DESPISE Vick, he has more talent in his pinky than Michael Sam, so the reward vs the distraction issue isn't really the same.

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typical media frenzy going from 0-60....

 

tony said multiple times that he supports, respects, and wishes Sam the best of luck in the NFL.  heard an interview with him today on Dan Patrick show, and Tony said that he was speaking on the possible OWN network (Oprah's Channel) doing a special on Sam.  A television special, with cameras around 24/7 during camp, would DEFINITELY cause distraction.  No ifs, ands, or buts. 

 

Tony made it quite clear that he has absolutely nothing against Sam the man, but Sam the baggage will probably be an issue during August, and he's right. 

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typical media frenzy going from 0-60....

 

tony said multiple times that he supports, respects, and wishes Sam the best of luck in the NFL.  heard an interview with him today on Dan Patrick show, and Tony said that he was speaking on the possible OWN network (Oprah's Channel) doing a special on Sam.  A television special, with cameras around 24/7 during camp, would DEFINITELY cause distraction.  No ifs, ands, or buts. 

 

Tony made it quite clear that he has absolutely nothing against Sam the man, but Sam the baggage will probably be an issue during August, and he's right. 

 

Tony also hates queers.

 

Also, this discussion is here:

 

http://es.redskins.com/topic/375942-deadspin-i-was-an-nfl-player-until-i-was-fired-by-two-cowards-and-a-bigot/

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Dungy is a good man with Christian values

 

If he is opposed so be it but he really didn't make an ass out of himself when he made his statements, "I don't think 

 

Social media and reddit are just used to bash on anyone that isn't politically correct anymore, some kind of "White Knight" justice. Anything remotely seen as offensive or not aligning with popular mindset is virally disseminated and criticized. That to me is the negative aspect of social media. 

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I'm so sick of the circus this world has become.  Michael Sam came out and props to him for that.  Props to him for being co-defensive player of the year in the SEC.  He got drafted, that's awesome and his sexual orientation shouldn't matter, I'm friends with gay people and work with gay people.  I support gay marriage, if two people are happy, who the hell am I to judge them or protest their love?  

 

With all that said, he wasn't exactly the best prospect going into the draft, plenty of people had him rated as a late draft pick (5th round or lower) before he came out.  He literally was what the 4th to last pick in the NFL draft?  And the NFL took advantage of his coming out and being the first openly gay player by making his jersey available to buy on NFL.com shop the day after.  I have never seen a 7th round draft picks jersey available for sale......ever.......immediately after the draft, why?  Because they are 7th round picks for the love of Pete.  

 

I respect Dungy for being honest.  It would be a huge distraction for the team that drafted him.  Lets not forget the media circus around this, then the Opra show he signed up for before officially signing his contract.  It's not because he is gay, its all the drama that the media and everyone creates that follows that is the distraction.  

 

Ground had to be broken sometime and that time was this year's NFL Draft.  And I applaud him and the Rams.  But honestly, all coaches and organizations weigh in on the baggage/drama/etc. when evaluating talent, so I can understand why 31 teams passed on a 7th round pick that might not have made the team before coming out, due to the media storm that was going to follow.  

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I respect Dungy for being honest.  It would be a huge distraction for the team that drafted him.  

I don't like his opinion but we can't change what we all should have assumed about the man in the first place now that it's out there. I guess at the end of the day I wish he would have given a more political, empty football answer since the world we live in so absurd that literally saying out loud that it would cause a distraction literally contributes to the said distraction.

Thought I think Fisher summed it up best on Mike & Mike

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11252176/michael-sam-not-distraction-st-louis-rams-jeff-fisher-says

 

 

"Let's define distraction. There were a couple extra cameras during the early OTAs, there may have been an extra camera yesterday as the rookies reported and went on the field for the first time, but no, it's not," Fisher said Wednesday.

Oh no, Cameras. Reporters. The things we deal with every day.

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I'm pretty sure Tony Dungy came our against the Redskins name. Therefore any opinion he voices isn't anything I'd bother concerning myself with.

I hear ya man.  I'm just saying that at least he was honest about his opinion, regardless of if people disagree with it or not.  Based on what he said about not drafting Sam, I can fully understand why teams wouldn't want that kind of media attention, especially over a 5th to 7th round draft pick that may not make the team or do good to make special teams, if lucky.

 

What happens if Michael Sam doesn't make the team?  Are the Rams going to take **** in the press/media/etc.?  Are people that are clueless out there going to believe that he didn't make the team because of reasons other than him not being gay?  We all would like to think and look past the fact that he is gay and if he gets cut, it's simply because he was beat out legit by another player.  But who are we kidding?  

I don't like his opinion but we can't change what we all should have assumed about the man in the first place now that it's out there. I guess at the end of the day I wish he would have given a more political, empty football answer since the world we live in so absurd that literally saying out loud that it would cause a distraction literally contributes to the said distraction.

Thought I think Fisher summed it up best on Mike & Mike

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11252176/michael-sam-not-distraction-st-louis-rams-jeff-fisher-says

 

Oh no, Cameras. Reporters. The things we deal with every day.

He should have been more politically correct.  I agree.  Now, I read that the Opra thing was on hold or something like that.  But I'm willing to bet that once pre-season starts, the coverage builds up.  I could be wrong, but the way they were building up Sam before the draft and during, I'd be hard pressed to think otherwise.

 

I hope he makes the team based on talent and has a long, successful career.  I wish him nothing but the best. And you know what, no media **** storm if he makes the team or gets cut means maybe, just maybe the perception and attitude in this country is changing for the better.  At this point, it really should be a non-issue. 

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He should have been more politically correct.  I agree.  Now, I read that the Opra thing was on hold or something like that.  But I'm willing to bet that once pre-season starts, the coverage builds up.  I could be wrong, but the way they were building up Sam before the draft and during, I'd be hard pressed to think otherwise.

Well, what's distracting to the media and sports viewing public isn't necessarily a distraction in the locker room.

I don't think Fisher's the greatest coach, but I think he's a guy who runs the kind of locker room that can handle this and that he has a roster with seemingly high character veteran leadership. Albeit he has a jerk for a DC. However, I think he's a jerk who doesn't care about who the guy on his side of the ball goes home to at night, though if he was coaching against him he'd probably try to get his guys to be as offensive as possible to him.

I think if he makes the team it will based be on talent, if he's practice squaded that might be more of a gray area. He certainly should be motivated enough to maximize what ever potential he has.

 

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Heh, just as an aside. While everyone talks about Michael Vick when arguing about Dungy. I think trading for a player that wrote a book called "Just Give Me The Damn Ball" after his rookie season and was one of the poster children of Diva recievers is much more damning evidence of hypocrisy.

In the whole talent VS distraction debate I think it was a lot more even with Keyshawn than a guy who served his time and wasn't a pest in the locker room to begin with.

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I think the history of the NFL will show that Coaches/GM's/Owners will bend over backwards to take on "distractions" if they think it will help them win football games.

 

I think Dungy might have not clarified it as best as he could but I think that all he was saying is that Sam is a marginal talent on the NFL level (if that) so it wouldn't be worth bringing the circus to town.

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Dungy is a good man with Christian values

If he is opposed so be it but he really didn't make an ass out of himself when he made his statements, "I don't think

Social media and reddit are just used to bash on anyone that isn't politically correct anymore, some kind of "White Knight" justice. Anything remotely seen as offensive or not aligning with popular mindset is virally disseminated and criticized. That to me is the negative aspect of social media.

which means killing dogs for fun and money is okay, because people are superior to all other living things, but love shared by two men is the work of the devil.

What do you want from a guy who wouldn't support his own son for being gay. He certainly isn't going to endorse a fb player, who is to small and lacking the talent to make a roster.

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which means killing dogs for fun and money is okay, because people are superior to all other living things, but love shared by two men is the work of the devil.

What do you want from a guy who wouldn't support his own son for being gay. He certainly isn't going to endorse a fb player, who is to small and lacking the talent to make a roster.

This post is like Mona Lisa's smile.

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I think the history of the NFL will show that Coaches/GM's/Owners will bend over backwards to take on "distractions" if they think it will help them win football games.

 

I think Dungy might have not clarified it as best as he could but I think that all he was saying is that Sam is a marginal talent on the NFL level (if that) so it wouldn't be worth bringing the circus to town.

 

Exactly.  Vick, despite sitting out all that time, still had a lot of talent.  Still had a lot of football left ahead of him.  The juice was worth the squeeze in that case.  

 

which means killing dogs for fun and money is okay, because people are superior to all other living things, but love shared by two men is the work of the devil.

What do you want from a guy who wouldn't support his own son for being gay. He certainly isn't going to endorse a fb player, who is to small and lacking the talent to make a roster.

 

And this is exactly what the media wanted to drum up.  The initial reports I read on this whole thing didn't say anything about Dungy being a Christian or having views that frowned upon a gay lifestyle, but they were almost written with a "Hey, you do your homework here or read between the lines and come to your own conclusions" type of feeling.  They almost assumed that if you are a diehard NFL fan, you already knew his stance.  

 

There's another article up on espn http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11248074/nfl-tony-dungy-comments-michael-sam-better-left-unsaid that talks about comparing this situation to Tebow....and there's no comparison there either, IMO.  Tebow was a Heisman trophy winner, played quarterback, had a winning record in his college career and it was thought that if teams worked with him on his throwing mechanics they could help his chances to be successful.  Again, Sam might not even make a team, he wasn't close to being a first round pick.

 

It's a complete non story, IMO.  If Dungy doesn't have strong Christian faith, these comments barely get any publicity.  

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Dungy's right.  NFL teams should immediately cut guys like Luck, Manning, Brady, or any player who generates media attention. Hell, Johnny Football ought to be bagging groceries for all the distraction he's causing in Cleveland.   If Dungy's right, there should be a line.  As soon as a jersey hits a certain threshhold within the stands or community... cut them because they are bound to be a distraction.  If they have a twitter account, if they get pulled over for speeding, if they agree to do interviews... cut them.  They are a distraction.

 

As for Sam, he will be a distraction for a minute, firsts always are, but if these players are professionals and they can deal with the other distractions that a pro athlete is always subject to then they can deal with this.

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Never said that, but both created great amounts of distraction which is actually a code word here for media attention.  By Dungy's logic, anything that creates a lot of media attention is a negative.  Winning a Superbowl would be horrible for the team.  Superbowl week?  Nothing but distractions.  Who needs that!

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I really don't care for the LGBT community since it has nothing to do with me, but I would have a huge problem with two men kissing in the middle of an NFL broadcast like the NFL draft. There need to be some kind of warning before it happens. Only Fredrik Eklund can get away with that and even then I have to change the channel.

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I can't stand NFL coverage, has to be vanilla or this.

I would like more Charles Barkley's. guys who can say 'he stinks'.

But when someone does say something he believes, which he gets paid to do, crapstorm. Now we're waiting on the networks response... Really

Dungy is devout Christian. And now he's trying to semi veil his comments. Shouldn't have to. Same with Duck Dynasty, why is anyone surprised.

I don't think you need to defend your beliefs. As far as distractions, the spin on the spin, I think Vick and Sam about the same. I don't think you can quantify one more than other. Regardless, both will pass.

What I wonder about Dungy is how he deals with his sons suicide, which is one of the worse offenses in Christian belief.

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