ixcuincle Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/489794248976658433 Why? The speculation is the Russians have shot it down. Just... No words Link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysian-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Damn that's nuts. Wonder why they would shoot it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 WTF ... although CNN is talking about it not being terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bay Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Horrible. Prayers go out to the victims and families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgSkinFan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Putin probably rode a horse out to the SAM launcher and took off his shirt before he pushed the button himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Putin probably rode a bear out to the SAM launcher and took off his shirt before he pushed the button himself.  Fixed. And yes, that is exactly how it went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 not the first time they've done it. Â ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The day after the new, tougher sanctions were announced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As much as I cynically believe that Putin would do that on purpose, I also have a strong belief that the Russians are horribly incompetent when it comes to stuff like this.  A plane going down in Russia is like the Sun rising in the East.  So I don't know what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneskins Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Too many conflicting reports. But if it was indeed shot down, this is goping to get VERY bad..  Side note. What the hell is up with Malaysian airlines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Listening to New Day this morning, they interviewed someone about the sanctions from yesterday, stating they were done because there is no indication that Russia has been working to diffuse the situation on the ground.  So maybe the Russian forces didn't shoot it down, but the separatists probably did, and Russia has been doing the opposite of diffusing them. So, in the end, it's on Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Listening to New Day this morning, they interviewed someone about the sanctions from yesterday, stating they were done because there is no indication that Russia has been working to diffuse the situation on the ground.  So maybe the Russian forces didn't shoot it down, but the separatists probably did, and Russia has been doing the opposite of diffusing them. So, in the end, it's on Russia.  Good point. If it was shot down it was likely separatists, but Russia is the one arming them with surface to air missiles so it would come back to them either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Interesting. And Voice of Russia just happened to go off the air this week too?? Coincidence??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Damn that's nuts. Wonder why they would shoot it down? Because it was flying in a place that was closed to civilian aircraft, as per Ukrainian Aviation Administration. So, you see a big giant blip that looks and acts like a bomber in a place where no civilian aircraft are supposed to be, you assume it's a bomber. Or at least, that's what they'll claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Geeesh this is reminding me of the season of 24 that just ended where some nuts got control of drones and were bombing locations. Â Rip to all of those lost souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborneskins Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 IN one of those links, someone said that the Russian military reported a BUK missile missing on June 29th. If true, maybe it was the seperatists trying to make a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Arming the separatists gone wrong was my assumption when I saw the story, but that's just speculation on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 They jokers might have shot down the first Malaysian plane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Â Â Â Â Â Â The aircraft was "shot down" over Ukraine by "terrorists" operating a Buk surface-to-air missile system, according to the Facebook page of Anton Gerashchenko, adviser to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. There were 280 passengers killed as well as 15 crew members, Gerashchenko's post reads. "We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said, according to his website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 On the bright side, at least they found this one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBnotBlades Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK Follow The BUK system that downed MH17 was provided to Russians inside Ukraine by the Russian army in the last 48 hrs. I reported it 3 hours ago.    That doesn't sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Because it was flying in a place that was closed to civilian aircraft, as per Ukrainian Aviation Administration. So, you see a big giant blip that looks and acts like a bomber in a place where no civilian aircraft are supposed to be, you assume it's a bomber. Â Source? Because: Â The route the Malaysian plane was on, between Kuala Lumpur and the Netherlands, is a common one, CNN aviation safety consultant Mary Schiavo said Thursday. Â and because: Â This is in the rare, very rare category for an airliner potentially to be shot down, at altitude, 32,000 feet, simply because of the profile of an aircraft," said Richard Quest, an aviation expert. "You can tell an aircraft, you can see a commercial aircraft. It looks like a commercial aircraft, it squawks a commercial aircraft. So something is absolutely appalling that's gone on here." Â http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Complete Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So what does this mean for the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Don't know what the West does if this is pro-Russian, but not actually Russian, forces that shot down this plane. Â Have to believe a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has a lot of western Europeans on it. Which will probably dictate who takes the early lead in trying to shape the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So what does this mean for the US? Â Moral high ground while wagging its finger at Putin (assuming this was Russian separatists)? Â I honestly don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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