DMVRG3 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11156302&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D I asked 26 league insiders to grade every projected starting quarterback on a 1-5 scale, with "one" reserved for the best and "five" for the worst. Eight general managers, two former GMs, four pro personnel evaluators, seven coordinators, two head coaches, two position coaches and a top executive participated, attacking the project with gusto almost across the board. Five QBs cracked Tier 1, including one surprise. Ten other QBs fell into Tier 2 and nine landed in Tier 3. The remaining eight starters fell into Tier 4. Five of them received nearly as many Tier 5 votes, but not enough to drop any of them into that bottom level. "That is a pretty good consensus of where we are at in the league," one of the GMs said upon surveying the overall results. The head coach referenced earlier has finished staring at the results. Now, it's your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Need membership to access this? Â Anyway you can paste this? Â I really want to see this list. Â Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 T-1. Tom Brady, New England Patriots (1.04 average rating) I was deep into this project when ESPN Insider published Sam Monson's piece highlighting Brady's diminished production while under pressure. Monson questioned Brady's status as one of the top five QBs. Still, none of the people I spoke with thought Brady had slipped to a significant degree. Twenty-five of the 26 voters put him in the first tier. The lone exception, a pro personnel evaluator, saved his only Tier 1 vote for Peyton Manning. He was an unusually tough grader at the top, focused more intently than others on the 2013 season, when Manning performed at a historic level. That was a minority opinion. A veteran offensive assistant who listed Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Luck as his Tier 1 QBs said the first three were pretty much interchangeable. "Brady might be the best because he does it with the least every year, just about," this offensive assistant said. "To me, there is no falloff with that guy. If he played with what Rodgers and Peyton and Brees have played with, it would not even be close. He has not had an outside guy since Randy Moss. . T-1. Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos (1.04 average rating) Not much explanation required here. All Manning did last season was set an NFL record with 55 touchdown passes. One of the evaluators with a background in pro personnel nearly gave Manning a Tier 2 grade on our first run through the ballot. Then, he started laughing. "As soon as I said two, I was like, 'Really?' " the evaluator said. "Arm strength is such an issue at this point and the smart teams are going to neutralize him easier than others, but he is a one." Manning received his only Tier 2 grade from a GM concerned that the QB's age had hampered his ability to avoid the rush. Brady, Brees and Rodgers were the only Tier 1 QBs on this GM's ballot. T-1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers (1.04 average rating) If Rodgers gives up anything to Brady and Manning before the snap -- which is debatable -- his athletic ability seems to make up for it. "You can't fool him," a defensive coordinator said. "We watched some cutups on him and he was ridiculous. He sees everything. They'd have a blitz on and he'd throw it and he knows what the blitz is. I don't know how he knows it. He throws into this tight window that nobody would throw into. Brees is the same way." T-1. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints (1.04 average rating) Brees' credentials need no explanation. Still, most placed him just behind Brady and Manning within the top tier.One evaluator said he thought Brees wasn't as good outdoors. But Brady wasn't any better statistically in outdoor road games last season. "The best guys bring everyone else's level up and the guys around them can change and they still play at a high level," an offensive coordinator said. "You saw that comment by Brees talking about Jimmy Graham and he was saying, 'Well, Jimmy is really good, but I've been here for eight years and Jimmy was not here for four of those years and we still had the big numbers.' With these Tier 1 guys, they're productive almost regardless." One evaluator questioned whether Brees could hang with the other Tier 1 players when his team fell behind by 21 or 28 points. Since 2010, counting the playoffs, Brady is 2-1 and Manning is 1-3 when their teams fall behind by 21-28 points. Their QBR scores were exceptional in those situations (90.9 for Brady and 88.3 for Manning). Rodgers went 0-2 in those games, but played respectably (64.6 QBR). Brees, meanwhile, had an 0-5 record in these games and a 52.6 QBR. 5. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts (1.50 average rating) Luck doesn't have the track record of the other Tier 1 QBs, and there was a clear gap in the voting between him and the top four. But people in the league love him almost unconditionally, and 14 of the 26 voters insisted upon putting him in the top tier (each of the top four received 25 of 26 Tier 1 votes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I knew it was going to be Luck. Â So many riders on the Luck bandwagon. Â I like Luck, I think he will have a really really good career but I can't believe so many people practically give him Elite status already. Â He plays in probably the worse division the NFL has ever seen in the last 5 years. Â He has shown some decent flashes, but not Tier 1 or Elite status yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Oh I hope that someone is bookmarking this, because it will be much different next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 19. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins (3.00 average rating) Only five of the evaluators who cast ballots for Griffin placed him in the second tier. Fifteen placed him in the third tier. Five put him in the fourth. And when I spoke with a mix of players -- four defensive backs, two linebackers and two QBs -- they gave him a 4.1 grade on average. One GM put Griffin in the second tier despite some reservations about Griffin's personality. The veteran QBs I consulted separately crushed Griffin in that area. "He does not take any blame," one of them said. A head coach placed Griffin in the fourth tier and said, "I just don't think he can play in the pocket." Health and durability are key variables. "Pre-injury and with [Mike] Shanahan and all the things they did [in 2012], I would put him in that two category with Wilson and Kaepernick," a defensive coordinator said. "If he is healthy, he adds a scary dimension because the kid can run and he is accurate enough, but post-injury, I don't know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 You know what they say, opinions are like ***holes, everybody's got one  Don't really care, still thrilled to have Robert under center for us, and I'd be willing to bet a lot of those guys' teams will get smoked by that iffy 3rd Tier QB of ours. 2012 never happened apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 How many QB list articles is that now? 173? Isn't there one every week? Â Â Gotta keep the NFL convo going, I guess. The NFL is a year to year league. Griffin will have his chance just like every other QB will to prove people wrong with his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Griffin would have been a tier 2 after 2012. Tier 3 after 2013 is fine. I want tier 1 after 2014... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 All these Polls are worth what when all is said and done, oh yeah ratings and content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Luck in tier-1...lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Can we lump these subjective lists into one thread...possibly named "Why I hate the offseason." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oraphus Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 After last year i think 3rd tier is where Griffin belongs. I know there are all kinds of reasons/ excuses/ etc. In the end Griffin played really well one year in a system where he did not need to pass all that much and just average at best the next year. This year is the "show me"year. Everything is in place for him to have a good year. Only time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Luck in tier-1...lmao.Don't worry, bro, you'll eventually learn (the game). Some of us saw the talent in this guy from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 5 years ago I used to be able to talk football in an intelligent manner. Now not so much. For what it's worth, RG3 is too low on this list if you consider his first two years together. Last year he honestly didn't look all that bad, considering the circumstances (crappy line, drama-filled coaching situation, crappy receivers (not considering Garcon of course), coming off devastating knee injury). So this year we get to find out what the real deal is, what we can truly expect moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Luck in tier 1 is a raw joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG3Hunna Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Luck in tier 1 is a raw joke. Almost as laughable as RGIII being ranked 19. It's hilarious no matter what mistakes Luck makes NFL analysts continue to call him elite. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConcordNCSkinsFan Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 These "experts" and whoever else can have their opinion but mine is that the top 10 QB's in this league are as follows. The top 5 guys have all won big and also proved themselves over the long term year after year. (Rodgers, P.Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger). The next 5 QB's are young guys I think will be the top players down the line. (Luck, Newton, Wilson, Kaepernick, RG3,)  I don't care about Flacco or Eli, I don't think their that good despite winning Super Bowls. Rivers, Romo, and Ryan never won anything significant, Vick hasn't been on the field enough, Cutler and Stafford are talented throwers but that's it, and don't get me started on how overrated system guys like Alex Smith and Nick Foles are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRagone Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Griffin in Tier 3 after last year is fair. I think a lot of it was impacted by the injury and the ramifications of it, but what he put on the field is what he put on the field.  Year 1 he looked like a Teir 2 guy on the verge of Tier 1. Year 2 he lookd like a Teir 3 guy on the verge of Teir 4. I don't think he's misplaced there RIGHT NOW.  I do think he'll have a bounce back year and return to potentially being a top 10 QB in the league. I still think out of the crop of young QB's, talking just about the QB talent and ability, I'd still put his potential cieling CLEARLY above everyone else save for Luck and Cam which are the only two I think it's debatable with.  Wilson I think is a good QB on a great team, not the other way around. I think Kaep is a worse QB than Wilson but a better athlete, and again is a product of being on a stellar team. Dalton is fine, but not someone that sets the world on fire. Ditto for Tannehill. Geno is meh. I'm not huge on the kid up in Buffallo. And none of the guys this year, including Johnny Football, appear to have that same ceiling as Griffin.  I don't really care about where Griffin is put now, nor what other individuals around the NFL are saying. Most of those folks aren't studying this team more than once a year, if that, and are largely likely influenced by the standard media narritive at a given time.  I've got all the faith in the world for him turning in a top 10 QB performance this year, and pretty much every year that he remains healthy. With his skill set, including passing (which so many seem to forget he had in 2012 and coming out of Baylor), and mind set I just can't see it not working save for injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Don't worry, bro, you'll eventually learn (the game). Some of us saw the talent in this guy from day one. Â Be more condescending. Â It helps your point tremendously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since a Fetus Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 If you see ESPN in the title, you will automatically know which way the wind blows. This goes for every sports situation out there. They are quite predictable. Also, players, gms, and coaches have admitted in the past that they get their information from ESPN. They watch highlights just like everyone else. The reason being that they are so focused on their games, that they don't have time to focus on everybody else. The media can make anyone look as good or bad as they like. They influence you. Break away and formulate your own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFC Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Let me first say I am very happy to have Griff as our QB and I truly believe he is going to lead us to, at the VERY minimum, at least one Super Bowl. Having said that the only thing that caught my eye was the comments from other NFL QB's about him not taking any blame. I don't want to start any debates and/or arguements but this is one of the issues I have had with him in the PAST. I am not saying this won't change but it has been one of the things that bothered me last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Don't worry, bro, you'll eventually learn (the game). Some of us saw the talent in this guy from day one. It's nice to see Oliver Luck is posting again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's nice to see Oliver Luck is posting again... Ollie is too busy destroying WVU athletics to be posting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So 20% of the GM's/Coaches polled put RG3 in the 4th tier of QB's? I can only imagine who they equate him too. It would have to be busts like Brandon Weeden, Blaine Gabbert, and/or backups like Jason Campbell. So 20% of the GM's/Coaches think his career is already over. That is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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