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I mean, not having a pick in the first round realy sucks! Will this bite us in the rear? Is there a way to get a first round pick without paying a heavy price? Do we keep cousins? Do we just lay back and wait for round two? Let's discuss!

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Not really that bad this year for our needs, with the depth in this draft.  I wouldn't be very happy if they trade up for a 1st rounder.  Actually, depending on if there is a guy we can't pass up on at 34, I wouldn't mind trading down a few picks in the 2nd the get another third.   We will have our 1st rounder back next year.  Mines well make the best of the situation at hand.  

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The draft is deep with ILB's, CB's, DE's, and WR's. All of these happen to be areas of need for us. Of course not having a 1st round pick hurts, but this is a good year not to have one. IMO, we would have to give up a heavy price to earn a 1st round pick. Save it with the Cousins talk already. He is not even worth a 2nd round pick and we need to realize the importance of having a quality backup quarterback. If anything I think we should trade down from pick 34 to acquire more picks in the draft. Just my 2 cents.

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Any move to get us into this years first round would most likely involve us sacrificing a future first rounder. It will suck just as much, if not more, in the future.

 

I don't think it would cost a 1st next year.  They Vikings traded back into the 1st last year to get Cordarelle Patterson and it cost them their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th rd picks in 2013.  Still a heavy price for a team like the Skins who need their picks, but the Vikings traded up from #52 to #29.  The Skins are sitting at #34.  As deep as this draft is, I'm sure some teams sitting at the bottom of the 1st would trade out to pick up some extra picks in the 3rd/4th rd.  

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According to what Bruce Allen has said: http://www.examiner.com/article/part-1-redskins-gm-bruce-allen-chalk-talks-orakpo-tag-draft-and-free-agency

"As far as draft strategy, Allen stated that the front office works off of player grades and will not vary off the board and reach for a need, though they can select for need if there are players available of the same grade. The front office feels that there is wide receiver and defensive back depth throughout the upcoming draft. He also thinks there should be opportunities to trade down and accumulate later picks while still get high-graded prospects."

 

Hopefully, this happens.  I wouldn't mind us trading down in the 2nd, 3rd and possibly 4th rounds.  We get later picks in each of these rounds and possibly acquire extra 4th, 5h and 6th round picks.

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I mean, not having a pick in the first round realy sucks! Will this bite us in the rear? Is there a way to get a first round pick without paying a heavy price? Do we keep cousins? Do we just lay back and wait for round two? Let's discuss!

Sure we can trade our second rounder for a first the following year that wouldn't be a hefty price. I always liked the idea of trading for future picks a hell of a lot more that trading up.
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There's a theory that we could trade into the lower parts of the first, 30-32 range, for a cost as low as a third-day pick (let's say a 5th).

It has implications to the type of contract the drafted player signs. Under the new CBA, first round picks sign a 5-yr rookie contract rather than a 4-yr. This has implications when you consider at what the time you'll be seeking to re-sign him. The difference between 2018 and 2019 gives you one more year to clear the bulk of Trent Williams and RGIII's second contracts.

I can see this happening if there's a player that should be in the 11-18 range that drops. I'm thinking guys like ILB CJ Mosley, FS Calvin Pryor, DT Louis Nix.

I'd be in favour of this happening and then listen to offers for trading down in the third and re-acquiring the spent pick(s). The cost of moving into the first may only end up being the difference between our draft position in the third. That said, it needs a top-calibre player to fall to make this happen - if not, then sit tight at #34.

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Depends who's hungry and for what and how interested we are.  For example, a number of analysts are saying that Kirk Cousins is valued at a two or a three.  If that's true, would you be willing to package Cousins and a third to a qb hungry team?  Orakpo would easily be worst a first.  A double digit sack guy is a commodity, but would you be willing to trade one for a questionmark that could bust?  If we're just trading draft picks, then yeah, it'd be pretty expensive esp with the new labor deal because draft picks are relatively cheap.  Five years ago, we could have gone to a team like the Cowboys and said, "Look, I know you don't have much cap space and signing that first rounder will be tough.  Why don't you take one of our running backs, everyone loves a Shanny back, will even give you Royster who in his career is almost a five yard a down back, plus a third for your first."  These days though, picks are cheaper so I don't think that works.

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Trading up (or down) all depends on your needs and the players available to fill those needs. Is there really a "must have" player in the first round worth giving up picks for? I don't think so. 

 

On defense we have real needs at ILB and safety. We could also do with a NT and slot corner.

 

Offensive needs are not so well defined as it appears that Gettis has been eating some of LeRibeus' meals for him, so we might have our guards already in house but RT needs to be looked at. We are also thin at WR, and possibly TE. I think we may also be looking to bring in a young center to develop. 

 

IMO we have too many needs and trading up is not the answer. I would be more than happy to trade down a little though.

 

 

EDIT: I didn't really answer your question there, but trading up almost always carries a heavy price and this year it's just not worth it.

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There's a theory that we could trade into the lower parts of the first, 30-32 range, for a cost as low as a third-day pick (let's say a 5th).

It has implications to the type of contract the drafted player signs. Under the new CBA, first round picks sign a 5-yr rookie contract rather than a 4-yr. This has implications when you consider at what the time you'll be seeking to re-sign him. The difference between 2018 and 2019 gives you one more year to clear the bulk of Trent Williams and RGIII's second contracts.

I can see this happening if there's a player that should be in the 11-18 range that drops. I'm thinking guys like ILB CJ Mosley, FS Calvin Pryor, DT Louis Nix.

I'd be in favour of this happening and then listen to offers for trading down in the third and re-acquiring the spent pick(s). The cost of moving into the first may only end up being the difference between our draft position in the third. That said, it needs a top-calibre player to fall to make this happen - if not, then sit tight at #34.

Spot on. The right guy with a chance to look him into a 5 year rookie contract would be the only possibility, other teams have the same idea, but there is always a chance. Trading back is a much higher probability.

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First, What defines a heavy price? 

 

Second, Why move up.....who for and at what cost? 

 

A heavy price might be any pick above a third to me or even a fourth this year, and for who would depend on who falls to a reachable slot and who is picking ahead of you. Anyway this is all conjecture and really is pretty thin as a discussion point IMO. I hope they drop down and gather picks, not move up and lose some. 

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The only way we even move up into the first round is if there is a surefire, can't miss guy and there is no one in the draft that fits that description. If there were then we would have already had a deal in place with another team because you Snyder likes to go big or stay at home when it comes to going after guys he wants. I feel we will listen to trades and we will have a very good draft without mortgaging the farm. I also feel that we will find at least two very good starters.

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Trading up into the high 20's wouldn't cost us next years first.  A big benefit in doing so would be a contractual issue for the player.  Would have that player a year longer under contract then if he was taken in the second round.  I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen as it has been already talked about. 

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I have stated before that I would like to move up to select Calvin Pryor (even if I gave up this year's 2nd and next year's 1st).  That being said, I would be very happy to trade this year's #34 for Minnesota's #40 and #72.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Rook :)

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I have stated before that I would like to move up to select Calvin Pryor (even if I gave up this year's 2nd and next year's 1st).  That being said, I would be very happy to trade this year's #34 for Minnesota's #40 and #72.

 

The Rook :)

The former? Definately not for this years team.  That would be the kind of move for a bonafide playoff team but we've got a lot of retooling to do first.

 

The latter? Absolutely yes, with this much depth of talent. Problem will be finding a dancing partner with everyone thinking the same thing.

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Future picks are usually valued as a middle pick of the round minus a round for each year in the future. The 1st we gave up this year was valued as the 16th pick of the third round in 2012. Not worth giving up future picks particularly 1st round picks given the huge downside risk of having that pick turn into a top 10 pick.

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Bruce said he's gonna let the scouts do their jobs and this is a critical draft for our Redskins.....we need 4 legit NFL contributors out of this draft and special teams help. If this draft is as deep as everyone says it is then maybe it's not a terrible year to not have a 1st round pick and a good year to trade back in a few rounds. Big pressure on Bruce to have a solid draft....I think it's wise to trust the scouts and draft as an organization rather than a one man show.

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