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#1 d0ublestr0ker0ll

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:38 PM

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UFC champion Ronda Rousey was recently a guest on the Power 106 FM radio station (video below) and shed some light on the main difference between MMA and boxing. When asked by the show's host if she'd be able to beat boxing great Floyd Mayweather Jr. in an MMA-rules fight inside the UFC Octagon, Rousey was self-deprecating but honest in assessing that she'd likely be able to take out "Money" if she kept the fight on the ground.

"I’ll tell you what I’d do," Rousey began.

"You ready? I would drop down to the ground and crawl over to him as fast I as I can and then I’d grab him by … I wouldn't even stand up. I wouldn’t be anywhere near him. I would just do a little army crawl over there [laughs]. He’d have to run away and I’d be skittering after him, like the one dude in 'Bloodsport' who was doing the whole monkey-crawl fight system. I would do that. I would just bear crawl over there, just too low for him to hit me and tackle him down."

The show's host then asked Ronda if what she was saying was that, once she were to get the fight with Mayweather to the ground, that would be it.

"Well, I spend a lot of time there. I doubt that he does," Rousey explained humbly.

I'd pick Ronda via first round armbar. Floyd would get to throw one punch the entire fight. Ronda finding one single clinch would mean the end. Floyd isn't a knockout artist, and Ronda is a tank.

For the record, I'm against men fighting women. I do, however, find it fascinating that the best boxer in the world could get beat up by a girl. Discuss...

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:43 PM

Like when Antonio inoki fought Mohammed Ali. Inoki just laid on the ground and kicked at Ali's legs the whole fight. Ali had no answer.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:02 PM

Boxers train to punch and dodge punches. Everything is done while upright. She has the right gameplan going in - get him on the ground and negate his ability to punch.

 

That being said, you don't think Money would do some basic grappling training? His strength and body weight would be put to good use with just basic training on dos and donts of mat work.

 

Also keep in mind... Floyd the boxer operates by rules on where he can and cannot strike. I believe those are greatly relaxed in this arena, and I'm sure he'd take full advantage of that.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:04 PM

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I'd pick Ronda via first round armbar. Floyd would get to throw one punch the entire fight. Ronda finding one single clinch would mean the end. Floyd isn't a knockout artist, and Ronda is a tank.

For the record, I'm against men fighting women. I do, however, find it fascinating that the best boxer in the world could get beat up by a girl. Discuss...


Floyd isn't a knock out artist? 45 fights, 45 wins, 25 KOs when fighting MEN...
Floyd would only have to hit her once. He would have such a huge advantage in speed and power it wouldn't matter if he was standing or on the mat.. He would kill her.. End of discussion.

It would be like you fighting your wife or girlfriend.. The fact that she is in good fighting shape and has skills are irrelevant. Maryweather is in great shape and has great skills too. What you are left with is a grown man beating the snot out of a woman.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:08 PM

I love how in this day and age, people can take non stories, put a headline on them, and create endless debates. No matter how hilarious the debate is...


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:08 PM

Like when Antonio inoki fought Mohammed Ali. Inoki just laid on the ground and kicked at Ali's legs the whole fight. Ali had no answer.


Both were in there mid 30's when they fought. It was an exhibition. I don't think you can make any assumptions on their fighting ability because of the results a circus.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:14 PM

Every time this comes up it's the same answer:  Boxer beats MMA fighter in a boxing match, MMA fighter beats boxer in an MMA fight.  The only wrinkle is that we're talking about a man vs. a woman. 

 

However, I wrestled in high school at 125 lbs (I think that's the weight class) and my friend who wrestled at 98lbs would kick my ass in practice constantly. So I'm saying technique is most important to size/sex.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:20 PM

However, I wrestled in high school at 125 lbs (I think that's the weight class) and my friend who wrestled at 98lbs would kick my ass in practice constantly. So I'm saying technique is most important to size/sex.


You ever get your ass kicked by a woman in wrestling in high school? You ever hear of a woman kicking a dudes ass in wrestling in high school, college, or professionally? The reason is because while relatively equally matched pre-adolescence post adolescence dramatically favors the male for building speed and strength. Look at nearly any sport, the men are stronger and faster. The advantage is so dominant we don't even compete because competitions are just unfair. That's not a sexist statement, it's a fact.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:33 PM

I'm going to say Rousey beats Mayweather in an MMA fight. If she got ahold of him, she would very quickly snap a bone. World class Jiu Jitsu isn't something to mess with. Royce Gracie used to beat everybody (they didn't have weight clases in the early days of UFC) at like 145 lbs. back in the day because he was the only one who knew Jiu Jitsu.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:35 PM

My high school wrestling example probably wasn't the best because we are talking about athletes that are the best in the world, not high school kids.

 

But I'll state that in a judo contest between Rhonda and Mayweather, Rhonda would win.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:44 PM

You ever get your ass kicked by a woman in wrestling in high school? You ever hear of a woman kicking a dudes ass in wrestling in high school, college, or professionally? The reason is because while relatively equally matched pre-adolescence post adolescence dramatically favors the male for building speed and strength. Look at nearly any sport, the men are stronger and faster. The advantage is so dominant we don't even compete because competitions are just unfair. That's not a sexist statement, it's a fact.

I've seen girls beat guys in high school and college wrestling. That's still not even the point because those are people trained in the same discipline. Boxing and MMA are two different sports. Lebron James wouldn't beat Serena Williams in tennis.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:46 PM

Floyd isn't a knock out artist? 45 fights, 45 wins, 25 KOs when fighting MEN...
Floyd would only have to hit her once. He would have such a huge advantage in speed and power it wouldn't matter if he was standing or on the mat.. He would kill her.. End of discussion.

It would be like you fighting your wife or girlfriend.. The fact that she is in good fighting shape and has skills are irrelevant. Maryweather is in great shape and has great skills too. What you are left with is a grown man beating the snot out of a woman.

 

It would be like you fighting your wife or girlfriend...

1 - if your wife or girlfriend had to weigh exactly the same as you do the afternoon before the fight... and all that weight was muscle.  

2 - If your wife was only an inch shorter than you

3 - if your wife was a decade younger than you

4 - if your wife was a olympic medalist in judo 

5 - if your wife was insane and enjoyed beating the **** out of people for a living

 

Otherwise, same thing.  lol

 

Money Mayweather would have a MASSIVE hand and upper body movement advantage.  If the gloves were MMA and not boxing pillows he'd knock out Ronda easily if given a small window to do so.  I don't think the UFC has ever seen a fighter that comes close to the punching speed Mayweather has.  His hands are a blur that make other very well decorated fighters look incompetent.  It's hard to stress just how fast his hands are.  Legendary speed.    

 

MMA fighters have been facing incredibly lopsided striking contests forever though and they've shown an ability to avoid it long enough to clinch.  If Ronda got her hands on Mayweather, which is a big if considering the speed we are talking about, anything he did would result in his being tossed.  Without a strong grappling background and a camp in which you train specifically for what judo fighters do, it hard to avoid ending up on a hip ride to the mat.  If the fight went to the ground, money Mayweather would be done.  Ronda would destroy him there and she would destroy most men there, even those much larger than her, if they had no real training on how to avoid submissions.  

 

If I had to bet on this fight I'd bet on Mayweather not taking it.   :)   


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

It would be like you fighting your wife or girlfriend...

1 - if your wife or girlfriend had to weigh exactly the same as you do the afternoon before the fight... and all that weight was muscle.  

2 - If your wife was only an inch shorter than you

3 - if your wife was a decade younger than you

4 - if your wife was a olympic medalist in judo 

5 - if your wife was insane and enjoyed beating the **** out of people for a living

 

 

 

So you've met my wife?


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:54 PM

Sure, Mayweather is stronger than Rousey.   But Rousey is a tough dame, and has a very strong core, and as strong as he is, Mayweather's elbow can get dislocated just the same as anyone else's.  

 

I think there is a good chance that Mayweather could beat her to a pulp before she got a lock in, but I also think there is a good chance she could armbar him too.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:03 PM

I've seen girls beat guys in high school and college wrestling. That's still not even the point because those are people trained in the same discipline. Boxing and MMA are two different sports. Lebron James wouldn't beat Serena Williams in tennis.

 

I was looking it up...  Mitchela Hutchison won the the 2006 Alaska State Championship against boys. She finished the season 41-4, with 33 pins.....  So in HS it occasionally does happen.  Occasionally a woman can compete successfully.   Haven't really seen many women having much success at the Collegiate level.   Much less the professional level.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:16 PM

Sure, Mayweather is stronger than Rousey.   But Rousey is a tough dame, and has a very strong core, and as strong as he is, Mayweather's elbow can get dislocated just the same as anyone else's.  

 

I think there is a good chance that Mayweather could beat her to a pulp before she got a lock in, but I also think there is a good chance she could armbar him too.

 

I don't even know if she would be strong enough to grapple with him successfully...  I mean it's not like he wouldn't be pummeling her with punches on the ground too.     I don't know if she would even have the bone density to take a punch from Floyd Maryweather without her face getting broken.

 

The way to prove she should be in a ring with Maryweather would be for her to defeat some lesser men fighters.   She hasn't even done that though.   It's just not a contest..   Not even on the mat.

 

I was shocked the first time I heard the best female tennis players couldn't compete with a male player ranked outside of 200... Or the gold medal woman's soccer team couldn't beat the men's under 16 team.   Men just have a huge advantage in sports because of the biology after adolescence..  that's just the way it is.

 

During the 1998 Australian Open, sisters Serena and Venus Williams boasted that they could beat any man ranked outside the world's top 200. The challenge was accepted by Karsten Braasch, a German player ranked No 203 (his highest ranking was No 38). Before the matches, Braasch played a round of golf in the morning, drank a couple of beers, smoked a few cigarettes, and then played the Williams sisters for a set each, one after the other. He defeated Serena, 6-1, and Venus, 6-2. Serena said afterwards "I didn't know it would be that hard. I hit shots that would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."

....

When female player Chris Evert-Lloyd was at her peak, she said her brother who played low level college tennis beat her (from her autobiography).

 

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:51 PM

I don't even know if she would be strong enough to grapple with him successfully...  I mean it's not like he wouldn't be pummeling her with punches on the ground too.     I don't know if she would even have the bone density to take a punch from Floyd Maryweather without her face getting broken.

 

The way to prove she should be in a ring with Maryweather would be for her to defeat some lesser men fighters.   She hasn't even done that though.   It's just not a contest..   Not even on the mat.

 

I was shocked the first time I heard the best female tennis players couldn't compete with a male player ranked outside of 200... Or the gold medal woman's soccer team couldn't beat the men's under 16 team.   Men just have a huge advantage in sports because of the biology after adolescence..  that's just the way it is.

 

None of that is surprising.  Of course men are stronger and faster.   In any fair contest, of strength and speed like a tennis match, merely good men will defeat the absolutely best women.  

 

But MMA fighting isn't fair, and Mayweather hasn't ever done it.   My assumption is that Mayweather would try to pummel her on the way in, pummel her on the ground, and that she would run a big risk of getting knocked out before she could grapple with him.  

 

But if he didn't get knocked out and she did grapple, she absolutely would dislocate his elbow.   She has been training for years perfecting that one technique, getting a hold of an arm and torquing her whole body to wreck your elbow.   Mayweather has never fought like this, it is all she does.  Of course any ranked male MMA fighter would destroy her at her own game. 

 

And I do think Rousey has adequate bone density to take a few blows.  She is a big, muscular woman, and like she said she is not going to stand there and take a haymaker to the face.   She is going to crawl around and it is pretty hard to knock someone out by hitting them on the back.     


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:29 PM

Remember the size differences that BJJ fighters were facing, and overcoming, in the early days of MMA. Sure they were men fighting men, but they were thin men fighting monsters and beating them with technique. If Mayweather had no grappling background he'd lose a fight in the ground to Ronda. The trick for her would be getting it there.

Also remember that the strength difference wouldne be typical of male versus female, as they are essentially the same actual size (both height and weight). He'd be stronger but this isn't wouldn't be Ray Rice versus his fiancé in an elevator.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:50 PM

MMA fighting isn't fair, and Mayweather hasn't done it.


And speed and strength don't have an impact on the MMA ground game? I don't care what kind of moves she has.
Maryweather is probable twice as fast and three times as strong.. and that's not an exaggeration. You are taking a great female athlete and putting her against a legendary male athlete. It's ridiculous. Let her defeat a High school state wrestler, or a competitive NCAA male boxer/wrestler... I don't even know if she cold do that, and there are 1000 degrees of difficulty between that and fighting Maryweather.
 

And I do think Rousey has adequate bone density to take a few blows.  She is a big, muscular woman, and like she


She has the bone density to take a good shot from another chick, although in truth I've rarely seen her matches go that way. I've never seen her take a shot from a dude, and she's not a muscular woman. She's
5'6" 135.... That's not the dimensions of a beast. She's a strong fit woman. Who would be giving up 2 inches and 20 lbs to Maryweather.. That's more of an edge than another dude would be able to competitively give up to an average fighter. It's just silly.
 

aid she is not going to stand there and take a haymaker to the face. She is going to crawl around and it is pretty hard to knock someone out by hitting them on the back.


I think your previous post was pretty accurate. Maryweather is so fast, men who fight him don't get to make that decision. I don't think it's hard at all to knock someone out who's facing away from you.. which is probable why in boxing most defensive techniques don't teach you to turn your back.

Also remember that the strength difference wouldne be typical of male versus female, as they are essentially the same actual size (both height and weight). He'd be stronger but this isn't wouldn't be Ray Rice versus his fiancé in an elevator.


It would be Ray Rice vs his fiance. It would be worse. because as great as Rousey is compared to Ray's fiancee, Maryweather is that much better than Ray Rice.

You could give Ronda Rousey a baseball bat and she wouldn't be able to hurt or defeat Maryweather... The very thought you think Rousey on all fours crawling around after Maryweather would be able to catch him much less tackle him just says how delusional this conversation is.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:41 PM

None of that is surprising.  Of course men are stronger and faster.   In any fair contest, of strength and speed like a tennis match, very good men will defeat the very best women.  

 

MMA fighting isn't fair, and Mayweather hasn't done it.   My assumption is that Mayweather would try to pummel her on the way in, pummel her on the ground, and that she would run a big risk of getting knocked out before she could grapple with him.  

 

But if he didn't get knocked out and she did grapple, she absolutely would dislocate his elbow.   She has been training for years perfecting that one technique, getting a hold of an arm and torquing her whole body to wreck your elbow.   Mayweather has never fought like this, it is all she does.  Of course any ranked male MMA fighter would destroy her at her own game. 

 

And I do think Rousey has adequate bone density to take a few blows.  She is a big, muscular woman, and like she said she is not going to stand there and take a haymaker to the face.   She is going to crawl around and it is pretty hard to knock someone out by hitting them on the back.     

If she tried to crawl he would dribble her head on the ground with punches like he was playing basketball. In boxing you are limited to where you can hit, not so with MMA, plus I doubt she has faced the type of power that Mayweather has, he would hurt her bad. If it was standing up, not even a close contest, she would be out cold before she thought about doing something probably get hit with five or six punches. Plus you have to factor in Mayweather is great at movement and defense, I doubt she gets her hands on him without getting pummeled in the process. No matter how you cut it, its genetics. Women's bones are not a thick and dense and a man's. Their jaws are much more narrow than a mans.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:15 PM

JMS reminds me of the people who thought James Toney was going to knock Randy Couture out while on his back. Is that what you're saying? That if Ronda had Floyd down, he'd still knock her out with punches from the bottom? He'd be able to control her with his manliness? She's a damn wizard down there, and it's obvious you haven't the first white belt clue what that entails.

Marcelo Garcia is a short, unathletic, happy-go-lucky, unassuming guy. Who happens to be the greatest jiu jitsu player on Earth. Speed and power take a very far backseat to technique and knowledge on the ground. I'm sure Ronda owns dudes in practice every day. Leverege beats strength. See Royce Gracie vs. Ken Shamrock.

Floyd is not a KO artist, even if you simply look at the numbers (which is all you did). He is a defensive pointfighter who has gotten most of his KOs after an accumulation of strikes late in fights. Sure, he could land a shot, but I'm not putting my money on a puncher's chance.

Floyd is also used to standing there and having a guy try to find holes in his defense (which there aren't any). If someone does clinch, the ref breaks it apart. He'll have to pick her off when she decides to dart in and grab him. If she survives, and grabs him, I'm calling it over right there. Judo is actually a game of takedowns from the clinch (same as a boxing clinch). No question she flips decorated male wrestlers in the gym with her Judo. It's on a level nobody ever been close to in MMA. (Aside from Ogawa, but he just didn't have what it took to be a fighter).

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:16 PM

I love how in this day and age, people can take non stories, put a headline on them, and create endless debates. No matter how hilarious the debate is...

I disagree.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:25 PM

How about Mayweather against an alligator?  The alligator's arms are too short for an armbar, so Mayweather, right?


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:56 PM

I disagree.

So you don't think debating about a female MMA fighter fighting a male boxer is funny?



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:00 PM

So you don't think debating about a female MMA fighter fighting a male boxer is funny?

It was a joke. You said nowadays debates can erupt over the dumbest things..
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:09 PM

Floyd not being a KO artist against world class boxers, is different then landing a well placed punch on a female. 

 

Remember when Barnett had a single leg on Browne and Brown elbowed Barnett into oblivion?

 

If Floyd spent enough time training take down defense, so he had time to land 1-3 good shots on Rousey, she'd be done with.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:21 PM

Floyd not being a KO artist against world class boxers, is different then landing a well placed punch on a female.

Remember when Barnett had a single leg on Browne and Brown elbowed Barnett into oblivion?

If Floyd spent enough time training take down defense, so he had time to land 1-3 good shots on Rousey, she'd be done with.


That Barnett/Browne comparison is out of left field, NoCal. What? What do elbows during a single leg takedown have to do with a boxer fighting off Judo throws and trips? Browne's 9 to 3 elbows are a rarity, Barnett is not a great takedown artist, and Browne is waaay better versed at takedown defense.

Mayweather could train to defend her arsenal for 5 years, and she'd still toss him from the clinch.

Yes, Mayweather could definitely light her up, but I'd give someone like Duran, Hagler or Hearns a better chance. Ronda is no princess, she's more of a man than most men.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:28 PM

How about Mayweather against an alligator? The alligator's arms are too short for an armbar, so Mayweather, right?


That all depends, are we talking about a male or a female alligator?

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:32 PM

 No matter how you cut it, its genetics. Women's bones are not a thick and dense and a man's. Their jaws are much more narrow than a mans.

 

I already conceded that if Mayweather can get a good shot at her jaw, she will go out hard.   I'm just not assured that it is absolutely inevitable that he would be able to get those shots in.       


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

It was a joke. You said nowadays debates can erupt over the dumbest things..

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

 

 

If Floyd spent enough time training take down defense, so he had time to land 1-3 good shots on Rousey, she'd be done with.

 

Absolutely.   But I thought we were talking about if the fight happened today, with Mayweather NOT having that training.   

 

If that's not what we are talking about, I retract everything I said.    Floyd Mayweather as a trained MMA fighter would destroy Rousey the MMA fighter, or any other woman who ever lived.   I sort of thought that went without saying (and isn't very interesting to talk about)..  


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:58 PM

I'm 216 lbs, not in the best shape of my life and with minimal martial arts training (not counting tae kwan do as a kid and watching Youtube videos to re-enact moves) and I'm confident I would beat Rousey, PROVIDED I had one of those pad belts for my groin (can't predict how a groin strike would go lol)

She's, what, 135 lbs? Sorry, you're going to have to weigh more than that or be Bruce Lee to win.

And IF it was held to striking (no grappling bull****), she's DOA. She's 5-6 at least but that actually helps cuz it's not so big that she would tower over me (I'm 5-10 sans socks) and not so short that she could elude striking reach.

Yaawwwn. I'm not afraid. To take a stand. Everybody. Come take my hand. We can beat this broad together....

I was shocked the first time I heard the best female tennis players couldn't compete with a male player ranked outside of 200... Or the gold medal woman's soccer team couldn't beat the men's under 16 team.   Men just have a huge advantage in sports because of the biology after adolescence..  that's just the way it is.


That's right. There was an article I read that compared the boys world/national records at 14 and under vs. 15 and that is about where the boys begin outpacing the fully grown women in timed events, strength records, etc.. And a number of coaches, including the ones coaching women's squads have said that once boys hit 15 (obviously not all but the better athletes) that the VERY BEST women athletes cannot compete against them anymore.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:00 PM

I'm 216 lbs, not in the best shape of my life and with minimal martial arts training (not counting tae kwan do as a kid and watching Youtube videos to re-enact moves) and I'm confident I would beat Rousey, PROVIDED I had one of those pad belts for my groin (can't predict how a groin strike would go lol)

She's, what, 135 lbs? Sorry, you're going to have to weigh more than that or be Bruce Lee to win.

And IF it was held to striking (no grappling bull****), she's DOA. She's 5-6 at least but that actually helps cuz it's not so big that she would tower over me (I'm 5-10 sans socks) and not so short that she could elude striking reach.

Yaawwwn. I'm not afraid. To take a stand. Everybody. Come take my hand. We can beat this broad together....

That's right. There was an article I read that compared the boys world/national records at 14 and under vs. 15. And a number of coaches, including the ones coaching women's squads have said that once boys hit 15 (obviously not all but the better athletes) that the VERY BEST women athletes cannot compete against them anymore.

Seems a bit sexiest to think you could beat a professional fighter simply because she is a woman. However, you quoted eminem, so I'll give it a like.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:01 PM

I'm not seeing it, and I follow both sports pretty closely.  For one thing, Mayweather is extremely fast, fast enough that I doubt Rousey's bear crawling is going to help her catch him.  Grown, in-shape men standing on their feet can't keep up with the guy and his constant circling, I doubt Rousey hunched over is going to fair any better.  In the meantime, she'd be eating jabs.

 

Rousey's big advantage in her fights (besides her throws and very solid ground game) is that she's noticeably stronger than most of her competition.  Once she has them down, she doesn't have much trouble keeping them down and working for her armbar.  Even if she did catch Mayweather, I have a hard time seeing her keep him down, technique be damned.  That guy is a lot stronger than he's being given credit for.

 

I'm not saying she wouldn't be game for awhile, but I think she'd eat painful jabs, she's certainly taken plenty of shots when trading in her fights.  Her standup defense isn't elite or anything.  Eventually, you'd see the shoulder slump that boxers and fighters get when they realize they're in over their head.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:01 PM


And IF it was held to striking (no grappling bull****), she's DOA. She's 5-6 at least but that actually helps cuz it's not so big that she would tower over me (I'm 5-10 sans socks) and not so short that she could elude striking reach.

 

 

 

Of course it's not held to striking.   Rousey wins all her matches the same way.  She charges in, trips or drags the opponet to the floor, gets an arm between her legs, and uses her whole body strength to dislocate your elbow.  

 



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:06 PM

Of course it's not held to striking. Rousey wins all her matches the same way. She charges in, trips or drags the opponet to the floor, gets an arm between her legs, and uses her whole body strength to dislocate your elbow.

The arm bend at :40 was ****ing disgusting.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

Of course it's not held to striking.   Rousey wins all her matches the same way.  She charges in, trips or drags the opponet to the floor, gets an arm between her legs, and uses her whole body strength to dislocate your elbow.  
 


Which raises the questions:

Where is the poetry? Where is the artistry? It's just predicated on the vulnerability of the human body in terms of extension/flexing. It's not even as intelligent a sport as Greco-Roman wrestling.

Why do people waste time with MMA when there are superior sports out there?

I'd pull out my strap and blast her. Game over.


In all seriousness, though, we know that women are not as strong even at the sameweight. It seems that it would be difficult for her against even someone her own size who is an athlete (not the computer programmer from the local college whose idea of lifting or athletics is playing Madden) let alone someone who was significantly heavier. I would NOT fight Mayweather even at my weight and even CONFINED to boxing. I would feel a lot better fighting Rousey even in an inclusive MMA setting. I would feel a LOT less confident about an MMA match against a 6-0 woman who was on American Gladiator and had been juicing a little bit. :)

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:52 PM

Tiger vs Lion debate was much more interesting

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:30 PM

You have to be very careful with the male/female comparison.

 

For example, without a doubt the best women's softball team could beat a very good professional men's baseball team at softball, assuming the baseball team didn't have (much) practice time.

 

The best MLB hitters couldn't even hit the ball off of Jennie Finch.

 

http://www.realclear...nnie-finch.html

 

I'd be especially worried about somebody whose biggest strength is speed as much of the speed comes from experience and the ability of the brain to "predict" what is going to happen before it actually happens.

 

"Similarly, professional boxers can evade punches by noting and reacting to the subtle movements that belie an opponent's intentions. The only way to notice these bodily giveaways, Abernathy determined, is to observe them over and over through thousands of hours of meticulous practice."

 

Somebody going from a different angle with a different background is going to negate a lot of that "speed".  

 

(Note, I do think the piece I linked to likely under-estimates the individual skill, but not so much in terms of real speed, but for the brain to be able to take those subtle cues and turn them into useful predictions.  Does everybody require the same amount of practice to be able to notice those giveaways and do all people with the same amount of practice do as good of a job of decoding those giveaways?  I doubt it, but that's a different conversation.).


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:34 PM

Which raises the questions:

Where is the poetry? Where is the artistry? It's just predicated on the vulnerability of the human body in terms of extension/flexing. It's not even as intelligent a sport as Greco-Roman wrestling.

Why do people waste time with MMA when there are superior sports out there?

I'd pull out my strap and blast her. Game over.


In all seriousness, though, we know that women are not as strong even at the sameweight. It seems that it would be difficult for her against even someone her own size who is an athlete (not the computer programmer from the local college whose idea of lifting or athletics is playing Madden) let alone someone who was significantly heavier. I would NOT fight Mayweather even at my weight and even CONFINED to boxing. I would feel a lot better fighting Rousey even in an inclusive MMA setting. I would feel a LOT less confident about an MMA match against a 6-0 woman who was on American Gladiator and had been juicing a little bit. :)

No poetry or artistry in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? I think it's the most complex martial art ever created. There are so, so, so many nuances, that it's impossible to explain without participating in a training session.

Boxers, kickboxers, tae kwon do experts, you name it, used to answer to the Gracie family's open fight challenges all the time. They didn't believe the hype, either. You can look these videos up on Youtube. Plenty of them. The Gracies would ravage the strikers every time. It's why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is becoming a standard skill to learn in law enforcement and in the military.

The UFC was created BY the Gracie family, in order to step up the competition and show the world how useful their art is.

Who would you rather fight? Royce Gracie, or Ken Shamrock? Royce Gracie, or Dan Severn? Little ass Royce choked both of them to a tapout. Mayweather would knock me out if my kicks and grappling didn't work, but I'd have one shot against Ronda. She knows more trips than I know fighters :ols:. My strength would mean nothing to her smarts.

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