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#1 aqq

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:38 PM

Most articles are estimating that the Redskins will have around 25-30 million in cap room this offseason. I am assuming they will have more cap room because besides the free agents like Fletcher and Orakpo coming off the books you have some guys with bloated contracts that should be released.

 

I think Adam Carriker, Stephen Bowen, Chris Chester and Kory Lichtensteiger (who must have some blackmail on Shanny to even have gotten that contract last offseason) are gone. Anyone else?



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 03:45 PM

Bowen Chester Monty Polumbus Golston Rocca Royster



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:06 PM

Everyone. Every single player, coach, and executive.  :)

 

 

In fact, suit up the cheerleaders and send them in. I'd watch again.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:12 PM

bowen, wilson, carriker, the four other pieces of garbage on the oline except trent


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:25 PM

Bowen Chester Monty Polumbus Golston Rocca Royster

 

Don;t forget Shamaham, Hazmatt, Burns, Wilson, Biggers and Moss. Although I love Santana and he is truly one of the great Redskins of all time it is time to cut him loose so he can go somewhere else and have a chance at a ring. Plus it won't hurt our overall cap space.

 

Unlike many on this board I would like to see Adam Carriker retained so we can see if all his hard work to get rehabbed through last years and the most unfortunate injury kept him out of the starting lineup. Not sure enough of us realize just how good he is for our front seven regardless of the scheme.

 

Nick Williams, Chris Thompson I believe will be coached into starting talent with the right coaching staff to play in the slot and come out of the backfield to good effect.

 

With Chase Minnifield, Richard Crawford, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson and Jose Gumbs coming back next year healthy and with better preparation I think we already have some very good young guns on the team to improve our secondary. Although I would say it is imperative that we retain D Hall, he has balled out all season and is great veteran leadership for the young guns, his work ethic and passion should go a long way if it rubs off on them.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:45 PM

Considering the number of players that I suspect we're going to be losing, it's not like I see a whole lot of need for this team to cut people, just to open up roster spots or cap room.

Maybe some people get cut, because we happen to land a FA who takes their job away from them. Maybe (hopefully?) some people lose their jobs in training camp.

But just cutting some guy on Black Monday, just for the sake of cutting somebody? I don't see it.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:51 PM

TANARD JACKSON!!!! Seriously, why is this guy still on the roster?


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 10:46 PM

There are so many players to cut you cannot cut them all at once.

First you have to decide on defense if you are keep the 3-4 or going to the 4-3 defense.

On offense we need bigger linemen but if Shanny stays he will keep the run blocking guys who cannot pass block.

We need someone to replace Josh Wilson at starting corner and maybe use Wilson covering the 3rd or 4th wide receiver.

We need a punt returner and kick returner-draft someone this year.

We need to upgrade special teams unit completely.  Time for some of the veterans on special teams to go.

Royster can go too.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 04:55 AM

Don;t forget Shamaham, Hazmatt, Burns, Wilson, Biggers and Moss. Although I love Santana and he is truly one of the great Redskins of all time it is time to cut him loose so he can go somewhere else and have a chance at a ring. Plus it won't hurt our overall cap space.
 
Unlike many on this board I would like to see Adam Carriker retained so we can see if all his hard work to get rehabbed through last years and the most unfortunate injury kept him out of the starting lineup. Not sure enough of us realize just how good he is for our front seven regardless of the scheme.
 
Nick Williams, Chris Thompson I believe will be coached into starting talent with the right coaching staff to play in the slot and come out of the backfield to good effect.
 
With Chase Minnifield, Richard Crawford, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson and Jose Gumbs coming back next year healthy and with better preparation I think we already have some very good young guns on the team to improve our secondary. Although I would say it is imperative that we retain D Hall, he has balled out all season and is great veteran leadership for the young guns, his work ethic and passion should go a long way if it rubs off on them.


Completely agree with all of that. The loss of carricker last season looked catastrophic early on until we adjusted. I don't think with his current injury record he is worth anything near what he currently takes home but we need to find a way to bring him back. A healthy carricker vastly improves our D line.

Looking forward to seeing our young guys in the secondary after an offseason. Amerson has shown glimpses of potential that could make him one of the best and overall there is a lot of youth on the defense.

As far as cuts: Chester, Bowen and Carricker are the obvious ones but if we need a couple of extra million to upgrade the Oline, Kory and Montgomery come into contention.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 05:07 AM

The OP's question, as regards player personnel outside of a few definites, is real hard to answer as we don't know how much further on in their progressions a lot of the young guys would be behind competent coaching. 

 

Let's wait and see how the new GM and staff evaluate and whom they take into camp before we start looking and judging. 

 

Hail. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 05:21 AM

I'd like Orakpo back.  A guy with a knack of pressuring or getting to qbs is a big deal.  I don't think he gets the deal a double digit sack guy gets either because of the injury history.  His ending this season hurt may help us keep him.  I also think that Haslett lowers every defensive player's letter grade by at least one.  Better scheme, better utilization of players, better understanding of the time of the game will make our guys' shine more.

 

Moss is funny.  He's been very Jeckyll and Hyde his whole career.  One very good year followed by an average/down year, followed by a very good year, etc.  At his age though, it's time even though based on his pattern 2014 will be a good year.

 

The rest I don't have a feel for until I know who's at the steering wheel.  If it is Shanny in year five I want very few changes because he said this was a Superbowl team... and I don't want to spend our money during a lame duck season.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:27 AM

I appreciate everything santana moss has done for the redskins but in 2014 our starters should be garcon (if healthy hankerson or morgan) with robinson in the slot and reed at te. 3 wr 1 te should be our base package on offense.

 

Upgrades should be RT G ILB FS SS and perhaps a wr2.

 

Imo WR should be something we look for in the draft. There are many wr that can be found in the nfl draft.

 

This year Aaron Dobson Terrance Williams Ace Sanders Tavon Austin Stedman Bailey all had their moments when they were called upon. WR is an area of improvement that should come via the draft with the bpa in 2nd or 3rd round.

 

One thing I do not want is 2 more rb drafted when the redskins drafted 2 more rb late last year in the draft when it was obvious we needed other areas to take fliers on.

 

I would also not be opposed to trading our early 2nd round pick for a 1st in 2015 and a 3rd in 2014 if some team wants to jump up 20 to 25 spots from the bottom of the 2nd round.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 07:00 AM

Ask the same question on Black Monday, it will be a lot easier

 

First things first.

 

Do we stick to our failed 3-4

How to handle Rak alone, is a big discussion that needs to be had. Yep his injury helps our chances to afford him.

That leads to Rob Jackson, plan B.

Is Riley our new Fletcher? I don't know if its a failed scheme but I rarely notice him. 

 

Do we beef up the OL, or make it smaller and faster. Or do nothing at all.

Assessments need to be made at RB TE and WR. Hank and Reed are Fragilé

Do we do the once unthinkable and keep Fred ZZZ Davis.

 

Special Teams

New everything. We need a kicker that can hit the endzone. Maybe we can get one of the many ex Skins I see on other teams.

We may have found a new returner / slot guy but a new guy may cut Nick Williams faster than you can type his name.

 

Mike has done such a poor job there are far more questions than answers at this point.

See ya on Monday.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 08:46 AM

Instead of using all the cap space they have on signing more free agents they should really purge the roster, eat some dead money this year and get ready to account for new upcoming deals for Orakpo, Kerrigan, Trent, and RG3. You're talking about guys that are gonna have cap hits in the future ranging from 10-12M (Orakpo,Kerrigan) 12-14M (Trent) and possibly 18-20m (RG3) Get rid of the following players whose production doesn't warrant the current contracts they have (Kory, Montgomery, Chester, Bowen, Carriker) They also need to get rid of some older cheaper vets who are just taking up roster spots (Golston, Polumbus, Rocca) No long term expensive free agent signings this year other than resigning Orakpo. Smaller shorter deals for some stopgap veterans from other teams and some of own guys who shouldn't be too expensive (Hall, Riley, Baker, Merriweather) to help fill out roster then try and multiply draft picks to stock roster with young talent. A Real GM will come up with a long term vision like this. If Snyder hires another old retread veteran Coach he will just try to load up again on 5-6 big money free agents and we'll be right back in this same spot 3 years from now.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 09:13 AM

Problem with that is that you also have to meet the cap floor.  With the guys going off the books and with the cap penalty finally done with the Redskins have to spend just to reach the NFL minimum.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:07 AM

Don;t forget Shamaham, Hazmatt, Burns, Wilson, Biggers and Moss. Although I love Santana and he is truly one of the great Redskins of all time it is time to cut him loose so he can go somewhere else and have a chance at a ring. Plus it won't hurt our overall cap space.

 

Unlike many on this board I would like to see Adam Carriker retained so we can see if all his hard work to get rehabbed through last years and the most unfortunate injury kept him out of the starting lineup. Not sure enough of us realize just how good he is for our front seven regardless of the scheme.

 

Nick Williams, Chris Thompson I believe will be coached into starting talent with the right coaching staff to play in the slot and come out of the backfield to good effect.

 

With Chase Minnifield, Richard Crawford, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson and Jose Gumbs coming back next year healthy and with better preparation I think we already have some very good young guns on the team to improve our secondary. Although I would say it is imperative that we retain D Hall, he has balled out all season and is great veteran leadership for the young guns, his work ethic and passion should go a long way if it rubs off on them.

 

The only thing about Biggers is they're using him out of position.  I don't like faulting guys that are brought in to do one thing, then they're asked to do something they have no business doing.  This organization does that a lot, bring in guys and then force them to do things they're not fit for.  Let Biggers play strictly corner in a scheme he's good at and see what he does.  But this playing safety business isn't working out for anybody.  



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:15 AM

Ask the same question on Black Monday, it will be a lot easier

 

First things first.

 

Do we stick to our failed 3-4

How to handle Rak alone, is a big discussion that needs to be had. Yep his injury helps our chances to afford him.

That leads to Rob Jackson, plan B.

Is Riley our new Fletcher? I don't know if its a failed scheme but I rarely notice him. 

 

Do we beef up the OL, or make it smaller and faster. Or do nothing at all.

Assessments need to be made at RB TE and WR. Hank and Reed are Fragilé

Do we do the once unthinkable and keep Fred ZZZ Davis.

 

Special Teams

New everything. We need a kicker that can hit the endzone. Maybe we can get one of the many ex Skins I see on other teams.

We may have found a new returner / slot guy but a new guy may cut Nick Williams faster than you can type his name.

 

Mike has done such a poor job there are far more questions than answers at this point.

See ya on Monday.

 

I think the OL can get bigger and faster at the same time.  And the way OL are these days, bigger doesn't necessarily equate to unathletic or slow.  We need OL that can hold up in the pass game and not get tossed around. 

 

And Kai is fine.  I'll sacrifice kickoffs into the endzone for a guy that makes all his FGs if i can't have both.  Kai's the best kicker we've had in a long time, I wouldn't want to jettison him for kickoffs.  We just need better kick coverage units.   



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:31 AM

Anyone not capable of beating out the guy brought in to replace them. When you are suck, you might want to prepare to compete as if you are not etched in gold. No. 1 target, LeRibs, unless the gym and weight watchers is where he is living. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:36 AM

I'm not really sure of the financial impacts of any of these contracts, but I'll list the only guys that I believe the Redskins need to keep to build around. To me, the rest is details. Even some of these guys could be moved for the right price, but not cut.

 

Griffin

Cousins

Young

Morris

Helu

Garcon

Robinson

Reed

Williams

Jenkins

Kerrigan

Orakpo/Jackson (think you need to keep 1)

Riley

Amerson

 

There are other guys that I would probably keep (Paulsen, Hall, Rambo, etc.) but I wouldn't really lose any sleep if a new regime felt like their time was up either. The above guys make up a pretty decent core in my opinion.

 

In fact, with the right direction and some good fortune, I believe we could have a Chiefs-like bounce back in 2014. We're not very good as a team, but we have talent. In addition, we are slightly better than our 3-win record. I feel like we've had 7 toss-up type games (Detroit, Chicago, San Diego, Minnesota, New York, Atlanta, and Dallas) and managed to only win 2 of them. Granted, some of that reflects being a bad team...but many of those games came down to a single play (2-point conversion vs. Atlanta, 4th-and-10 TD vs. Dallas, etc.).

 

So, even though we'll be building from a 3-13 team, we might be closer to Shanahan's average of a 6-10 team when all is said and done.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 11:24 AM

Guys like Carricker, who were seriously injured, are too easy targets for this question.  Someone like Royster is a different question, though I would keep him unless we need the roster spot.  As for the line, yeah, 4/5ths of it is probably gone, though someone may be back-up worthy (dep. on $) and how the triplets (The Rib, Gettis, and T.Comp) are progressing.  Maybe Rib can play C.  Wasn't he going to get a look-at there?  On D, Golston and Wilson clearly.  Golston has maxed out his "over achieving" and is getting old.  I'd sure love to have a real NT.  Rocca, yeah.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 11:33 AM

I'm not really sure of the financial impacts of any of these contracts, but I'll list the only guys that I believe the Redskins need to keep to build around. To me, the rest is details. Even some of these guys could be moved for the right price, but not cut.

 

Griffin

Cousins

Young

Morris

Helu

Garcon

Robinson

Reed

Williams

Jenkins

Kerrigan

Orakpo/Jackson (think you need to keep 1)

Riley

Amerson

 

There are other guys that I would probably keep (Paulsen, Hall, Rambo, etc.) but I wouldn't really lose any sleep if a new regime felt like their time was up either. The above guys make up a pretty decent core in my opinion.

 

In fact, with the right direction and some good fortune, I believe we could have a Chiefs-like bounce back in 2014. We're not very good as a team, but we have talent. In addition, we are slightly better than our 3-win record. I feel like we've had 7 toss-up type games (Detroit, Chicago, San Diego, Minnesota, New York, Atlanta, and Dallas) and managed to only win 2 of them. Granted, some of that reflects being a bad team...but many of those games came down to a single play (2-point conversion vs. Atlanta, 4th-and-10 TD vs. Dallas, etc.).

 

So, even though we'll be building from a 3-13 team, we might be closer to Shanahan's average of a 6-10 team when all is said and done.

 

What about Cofield, Bowen?


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:00 PM

Question fellas.... if Shanny gets fired, will it happen on Monday or most likely to happen a few weeks after the season has passed?



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:31 PM

I'd say on Monday, because we need to reel in one of the better options out there before other teams do. Going off of the other threads, it sounds like that's how we ended up with Zorn in 08.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:38 PM

It's hard to answer the question when we don't know what a new regime will try to accomplish. We aren't like the Chiefs with 6 pro bowlers already on defense. We aren't like the Eagles with a lot of speed already on Offense. We are starting from Zero again.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:42 PM

My list of who not to cut is way shorter. Rg3, Cousins, Morris, Williams, Helu, Reed, Garcon, Riley, Kerrigan, and Forbath. Everyone else can go.

Question fellas.... if Shanny gets fired, will it happen on Monday or most likely to happen a few weeks after the season has passed?


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:12 PM

I was pleasantly surprised that after reading through the first several replies and scanning a few more, I did not see a single reply saying that Reed Doughty should be cut. 

 

I do think he will not make the team next year, it is easy to see that for his skill set, he is a baller.  He always plays hard and brings his A-game. 

 

Reed - good luck sticking with the team.  If you are not back, please know that we really do appreciate you and your consistent level of play. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:21 PM

I think Kai Forbath has to go. We need to improve kickoffs plus this yr he was not that accurate.

 

I would keep Montgomery and Polumbus. These guys are good depth players. Polumbus though has to be replaced in the starting lineup hopefully with a draft pick in the 2nd rd.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:23 PM

 

 

And Kai is fine.  I'll sacrifice kickoffs into the endzone for a guy that makes all his FGs if i can't have both.  Kai's the best kicker we've had in a long time, I wouldn't want to jettison him for kickoffs.  We just need better kick coverage units.   

Exactly. Since we'll need to jettison Rocca anyway, we should be able to pick up a P/KO combo specialist and let Kai continue to do his thing.

 

For example. Here is the draft write-up for Miami punter Patrick O'Donnell, a 7th round projection:

 

"Though he isn't likely to generate as much buzz outside of the program as some of UC's flashier athletes, O'Donnell makes the cut because, frankly, he's among the more intriguing punter prospects in the entire country.

Perhaps most intriguing about O'Donnell is the fact that he not only beat the Big East competition by two full yards a year ago in punt average (43.8), he also served as the team's kickoff specialist."


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:32 PM

Cant believe nobody has said Josh Morgan.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:40 PM

Cant believe nobody has said Josh Morgan.

 

 I was just about to throw his name into the mix.

 dude was an absolute bust. If he's not the primary or 2nd read receiver, he puts a poor effort into his route running, couldn't catch a yeast infection if he was the Pilsbury Dough Boy making love to Betty Crocker with a Bisquik condom.

 

 Yea, that bad... :D



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:42 PM

Question fellas.... if Shanny gets fired, will it happen on Monday or most likely to happen a few weeks after the season has passed?

 

Hopefully by the time the plane touches back down from Newark. 

 

Hail. 


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:42 PM

I was pleasantly surprised that after reading through the first several replies and scanning a few more, I did not see a single reply saying that Reed Doughty should be cut. 

 

I do think he will not make the team next year, it is easy to see that for his skill set, he is a baller.  He always plays hard and brings his A-game. 

 

Reed - good luck sticking with the team.  If you are not back, please know that we really do appreciate you and your consistent level of play. 

Reed needs to not be on the team next year.  No because he is bad, awful, or anything like that.

 

But because if he's on the team, even as a backup, it's an indication that they haven't improved the secondary at all.  They need to find a way to make him expendable on the defensive side of the ball.  You might keep him around for ST, though everybody playing on ST this year needs a hard look, because nobody has distinguished themselves.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:52 PM

 I was just about to throw his name into the mix.

 dude was an absolute bust. If he's not the primary or 2nd read receiver, he puts a poor effort into his route running, couldn't catch a yeast infection if he was the Pilsbury Dough Boy making love to Betty Crocker with a Bisquik condom.

 

 Yea, that bad... :D

Yeah, Morgan needs to go, but isn't he on a 2 year deal anyway?  They won't resign him.

 

I can't remember what Moss' contract was. But I wouldn't dump him just to dump him.  He's very effective in the slot in limited reps.  Again, like Reed, it would be best if they could cut him because they have a better option.

 

Honestly, on offense, from a personnel perspective, they aren't that far away. Don't forget the entire offense came back, with the addition of Helu and Jordan Reed.  And they got worse.  And the reason is the QB play.  Some other guys regressed a little, but the QB play all year has been poor.  Last year it was spectacular.  

 

My theory is that the talent on Offense is average.  With good QB play, it looks much better, and with bad QB play, it looks much worse.

 

I do think that Garcon, Jordan Reed, and Morris are 3 very good skill position guys you can build around, DY is one of the best FBs in the NFL, and TW is a LT that can anchor the line.  If Griffin returns to form, which I think he will, then you've got some pieces already in place on offense.  

 

You need another WR. Who knows if Hank is going to come back, Morgan will be gone.  Robinson hasn't developed into a consistent receiver.  I really like the idea of giving Nick Williams a shot as the slot/shifty guy. 

 

But I also think that going in with Garcon, Nick Williams and a recovering Hank as your options is a mistake.  So, they have to get somebody else on board to compliment Garcon.

 

Defense is a wasteland. Cooley likes Baker at NT, and move Cofield to DE.  (A number of people have been saying that for a while.) If you do that, then you really need to get something from the other DE spot, and none of the LBs and DBs really can lay a claim to anything, except Amerson.  He's had a pretty good rookie year, all things considered. 


Edited by Voice_of_Reason, 27 December 2013 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:57 PM

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Defense is a wasteland. Cooley likes Baker at NT, and move Chester to DE.  (A number of people have been saying that for a while.).....

 

*Cofield to end, but still waves regardless.  :D

 

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:07 PM

*Cofield to end, but still waves regardless.  :D

 

Hail. 

Just because I get my RG and NT mixed up doesn't say anything about my mental acuity. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:10 PM

Just because I get my RG and NT mixed up doesn't say anything about my mental acuity. 

 

OOOOOKAY. Not entirely sure where that came from, but I'm still gona' wave regardless as one that's been calling for Baker, and Nield before him, at nose for the last two seasons.  :D

 

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:16 PM

OOOOOKAY. Not entirely sure where that came from, but I'm still gona' wave regardless as one that's been calling for Baker, and Nield before him, at nose for the last two seasons.  :D

 

Hail. 

I was being sarcastic and poking fun at myself.  :P

 

In my defense, both are large men.  And I've been mixing up their names since they got here.

 

I also can't keep Bowen and Carricker straight to save my life.  



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:17 PM

I'm guessing Morgan agrees to a big pay cut rather than getting cut. Otherwise, he's the most obvious candidate in terms of dollar to performance value. I think Fred Davis goes to the Pats, and gets cut 6 games into the season. I think Orakpo signs with whatever team Gregg Williams is the DC for, and gets (re)converted to a 4-3 DE. Polumbus and Monty hang on as backups. Other than Cofield, I could see anybody on the DL getting the axe. Josh Wilson, Evan Royster, Jamison (again).

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:05 PM

It's hard to answer the question when we don't know what a new regime will try to accomplish. We aren't like the Chiefs with 6 pro bowlers already on defense. We aren't like the Eagles with a lot of speed already on Offense. We are starting from Zero again.

 

Chiefs had 5 pro bowlers and an alternate. 1 of them was a punter. 1 on offense, 4 on defense. Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dustin Colquitt (P), and Justin Houston.

 

We have RGIII, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo (if we keep him), and Ryan Kerrigan who have all recently made probowls. Alfred Morris, I think we'd agree, is a pro-bowl caliber player. Pierre Garcon is close to that level of production. Jordan Reed is in that Vernon Davis/Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez tier of yards-per-game for tight ends this year, his rookie season.

 

re: the Eagles - both teams have #1 talent at LT, WR, and RB. They have more speed, we have more strength/size at those positions. But they have stronger depth on the line and at receiver.

 

Our issue isn't top-level talent but depth. We need more good players rather than average/below-average starters. We aren't starting from zero at all.






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