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#1 RichmondRedskin88

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:22 PM

First thing- I'm NOT blaming the loss on the officiating

 

However, the holdings for ridiculous.  We got choked to death yet we got called for minor holds.  Not to mention block in the backs not being called.

 

Also what the heck with the punt thing.  Passive player stuff.  We had the exactly thing happen to us a few years ago on the road and it was a fumble then.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:25 PM

I thought the punt fumble was an awful call. But we got a couple gimmes on fg drives for roughing RG3 on the sideline that shouldn't have been called. They also missed some holdings on us too but it happens.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:27 PM

Officiating was awful

 

And I hate blaming the refs.

 

Still, we lost because we suck


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:33 PM

The only call that made he go "huh?" was the punt that hit the Dallas player. I wasn't aware of the rule that states a referee can make a judgement call like that. But other than that, our players stink.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:34 PM

It was awful. Completely awful and all the key calls went against us.

 

The game turned though early in the 4th when it was 21-16 and Kai missed the FG



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:36 PM

I'm not 100% but it also looked like there was a block in the back on Rocca on that kickoff touchdown run as well.  



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:38 PM

The only call I didn't like was the punt fumble one. Everything else I had no problem with. Blame the coaches. (especially on that sideline thing, LOL). 



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:39 PM

Meh, there were some questionable hits on RG3 going out of bounds that went our way.
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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:39 PM

It was bad enough on the one play in the 3rd or 4th when the game was still close, Orakpo was taken to the ground with no call. Dallas got a first down on that play. I turned to my wife and said, "the fix is in. We can't win this game." I NEVER have said that before about officiating in any NFL game. We must have gotten called for 4 holds vs Dallas with none, and they had Rak from the first possession.

It's not the only reason we lost, don't get me wrong. Offense looked meh. Special teams terrible. But it was a HUGE factor in the game, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:39 PM

Officiating was bad but our team/coaching/gameplan was worse.. On that first drive I really though we had something going. Then a couple bad plays, lack of execution, settle for fg's, abandon the no huddle, lack of discipline on teams and the wheels were on there way to falling off.. Funny thing is, with all that we were still in the game until the missed fg and sack/fumble..



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:49 PM

It did seem like the Cowboys could do no wrong... but take away their 2 run backs and our fumble... Redskins 16 - Cowboys 10


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:53 PM

It seems a weekly ritual to have these "officiating was awful" threads, and I understand the sentiment. I have a friend who is a Lions fan who is convinced the officials have it in for the Lions. I have a friend who is an Eagles fan who is convinced the officials have it in for the Eagles. Statistically, we have more of a claim- since we're one of the most penalized teams in the league.

 

Personally I think we had 1 call against us I disagreed with, and 1 call in our favor I also disagreed with. Fans are quick to forget all of the things which went in our favor which may have been questionable, but we get our share.

 

I think the frequency of our penalties statistically as well as the frequency of these threads points to a problem in discipline and coaching, but that is an issue for another thread.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:54 PM

The punt may have been the correct call. If "engaged" means physical contact with an opposing player, then we just have to suck it up.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:54 PM

Officiating was awful, as is to be expected every time we play Dallass, especially in JerruhWorld! But our special teams lost this game for us! And offense just wasn't clicking much of the game, especially on third downs. Plus, Kyle called a TERRIBLY unispired game, and didn't adjust at all for the second half!

 

However, I would like to know if that was defensive pass interference against Santana on the interception in the end zone?  I accidentally deleted the recording of the game, so I can't go back and watch it. It sure looked like Santana was tackled on that play!



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:56 PM

i am blaming the loss on the Refs and ST (although there were missed calls on all of the big run backs).  I thought Moss was interfered or at least contacted with (after 5 yards) on the last pass interception. Not to mention the ususal miss holds. All of the calls re hitting RG3 were fine since he was in the white everytime. 

 

 The Redskins didn't play bad. 


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:56 PM

Officiating was awful, as is to be expected every time we play Dallass, especially in JerruhWorld! But our special teams lost this game for us! And offense just wasn't clicking much of the game, especially on third downs. Plus, Kyle called a TERRIBLY unispired game, and didn't adjust at all for the second half!

 

However, I would like to know if that was defensive pass interference against Santana on the interception in the end zone?  I accidentally deleted the recording of the game, so I can't go back and watch it. It sure looked like Santana was tackled on that play!

It is possible that it was 2 players getting tangled up, I didn't see who got an arm on who. It wouldn't have been a ball in the air foul most likely, but it may have been like the Amerson penalty on the opening drive where he and the WR got tangled, he held on a little too long, they both fell down, and the ball went sailing past them.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:03 AM

Blaming the refs is a loser mentality. We had the ball with a first down on the Dallas 30 with a chance to take the lead late in the 3rd quarter and blew it. End of story.

So sick of hearing about Orakpo's missed holding calls every loss . If all he can do is get held without any counter at all and be overly dramatic throwing his arms up in the air then he needs to pack his bags.
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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:14 AM

Blaming the refs is a loser mentality. We had the ball with a first down on the Dallas 30 with a chance to take the lead late in the 3rd quarter and blew it. End of story.

So sick of hearing about Orakpo's missed holding calls every loss . If all he can do is get held without any counter at all and be overly dramatic throwing his arms up in the air then he needs to pack his bags.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:17 AM

It did seem like the Cowboys could do no wrong... but take away their 2 run backs and our fumble... Redskins 16 - Cowboys 10

 LOL...

 

Really dude?



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:29 AM

It's laughable to blame officials for losing and it's equally laughable to complain about holding calls in the NFL. When the Redskins have big plays, they get away with holding too.

 

Also, Moss wasn't touched on the interception in the end zone.

 

Penalties didn't stop RGIII from holding the ball too long or from the O-line getting abused by a bunch of back ups.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:45 AM

It was bad enough on the one play in the 3rd or 4th when the game was still close, Orakpo was taken to the ground with no call. Dallas got a first down on that play. I turned to my wife and said, "the fix is in. We can't win this game." I NEVER have said that before about officiating in any NFL game. We must have gotten called for 4 holds vs Dallas with none, and they had Rak from the first possession.

It's not the only reason we lost, don't get me wrong. Offense looked meh. Special teams terrible. But it was a HUGE factor in the game, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I thought the same thing on that play. 



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:55 AM

I think the officiating did control the game.  You take away the blocks in the back and without question one of the long returns is negated.  The "engaged" punt call was utter bs and different from every other call you or I or any other fan has seen in every game in NFL history.  Most telling is that it was a tale of two halves in terms of officiating.

 

I think it was so bad that Goodell gave them a call at halftime.  They called a different and somewhat better game in the second half.  The fact that you are questioning the two RGIII hits when he was well out of bounds with no chance unless RGIII can break the rules of physics to stay in play is telling.  You're raching for a false equivalency.

 

A very large piece of why this game was lost was because the refs turned a blind eye on some huge infractions.  17 points at least were gifted by the refs.  (At least 3 for us on the bad punt call, and 14 on the returns.)

 

That's the game folks despite the fact that our play was pretty bad.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:30 AM

Every team's fans thinks the officials are out to get them.  It's a mentality that's easy to fall into, I find myself doing the same thing.

 

For every post here about how officials favor the Cowboys, there are ten at CZ every week for holding non-calls on Demarcus Ware every week.

 

All in all though, I've been pretty disappointed in the officiating this season.  Not sure what the deal is.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:44 AM

The officiating was pretty bad last night. I wish Ed Hoculi(sp?) and his crew were there.

Things from blocks in the back to blatant holding calls at the LOS were just plain ridiculous.

Referees and their crews get graded by the NFL and I could see them receiving a D- at best.

This heavily contested game deserved better.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:46 AM

The blocked into the ball thing on the punt was laughable.

 

The 2nd pf that RG3 drew was questionable at best.  The guy barely touched Griff, and it looked like he got the upper chest, not the face, I think.

 

 

The one that sorta burns me up, that no one seems to be talking about was the hit on the punt return that injured Amerson.  They never showed a great replay, so maybe I'm wrong, but it sure looked like he got blindsided with a launching helmet to helmet hit (i.e., a personal foul 3 different ways).  Couldn't believe the announcers kept referring to it as a good block.  I thought it was dirty as hell, and that dude should get a big fine.

 

 

But this loss is not on the refs.  We had plenty of chances to win.  Lost because our OL got whipped all day and our WRs couldn't get open against man-to-man coverage. 


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:52 AM

The officiating went both ways, just like it always does.  Nothing can be blamed on anyone except us.  We didn't play well enough to win, and it appeared the game plan on both sides of the ball fell very short.

 

I'm not a player, and I'm not a coach, and all of them are better at what they do than I would be in their positions, but they fall well short of where they need to be to be champions. :huh:



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:54 AM

I thought both teams had some calls go their way, we simply committed more penalties.

 

I can't believe that a stupid penalty (was it illegal motion?) on a punt ended up costing us a touchdown. Oh, and another penalty.

 

The special teams were just awful.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:54 AM

I thought the same thing on that play. 

 

 

I did too... but however I then look to Orakpo after the play and he didn't complain not once.  Im leading more to if it was a hold is wasnt blatant as some holds Ive seen that didn't get called.  Trust me, when Orakpo gets HELD and there is no call, the guy blows a gasket.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:56 AM

Blaming the refs is a loser mentality. We had the ball with a first down on the Dallas 30 with a chance to take the lead late in the 3rd quarter and blew it. End of story.

So sick of hearing about Orakpo's missed holding calls every loss . If all he can do is get held without any counter at all and be overly dramatic throwing his arms up in the air then he needs to pack his bags.

 

 

I don't think anyone is blaming the refs, however, league wide the officiating is disgustingly awful.

Last night saw 30 yards in penalties called on BENCHES, and threw flags on seemingly every other play.

 

It's ridiculous.

The NFL thinks we want to come watch offense, so they insert a ton of rules designed to make it go go go ..    

and what is happenng is we're seeing more and more and more referees.

 

Last night you couldn't pay those clowns to call a hold,,..

Another crew would have called them all over the field.

Last night this crew called ridiculous ticky-tack calls,, other crews call differently.

 

the entire rulebook is so far out of whack that teams have absolutely no guarantee of anything resembling continuity between officiating crews. 

 

And that is a big problem.

 

The Blocked into the punt rule being called there is outrageous,,  our man was out of bounds and has the right to re-establish himself in the field of play.

He didn't throw his man into the ball, the ball came down a half-foot behind the other guy's ass..  and while our guy DID shove him, he shoved him to get back on the field.

 

the rulebook is out of control, and refs have waaaaayyy  too many judgment calls to make. 

Football is essentially a simple game, and their attempts to make a rule for every contingency has increased an already difficult job tenfold.

 

And the refs simply can't handle it.

It's not a new problem.

 

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:00 AM

The officiating was questionable at best. I don't know that you can say it flat out lost the game for the Redskins, but that punt/fumble call would have had the Redskins in the red zone. There was a missed block in the back on that punt return for a TD for Dallas, AND the whole unsportsmanlike on the coach was completely ridiculous. From what they said on the radio during the game, Shanahan was really laying into them about that during the timeout (after the punt thing). So that really makes me wonder if the officials weren't already ticked at the Redskins' sideline and that gave them a reason to throw a flag. But if you look at the replay it's not as if the guy bowled the ref over or anything. Granted one of their coaches got an unsportsmanlike later in the game, but one way or the other the refs were out of control last night.

 

The RGIII penalities were a bit questionable, but the Redskins were getting tackled to the ground on defense. Yet every time we turned around it was holding on the Redskins' offensive line. Ultimately settling for FG's early in the game were probably what really did them in, but I have serious questions about some of the calls. As for the punt thing, a player engaging with another player doesn't constitute being blocked into the play. Perhaps the rule is poorly written and it gives the refs too much leeway, but the fact is that the original call was a fumble. Then they huddled up and changed it. Strange.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:07 AM

Blaming the refs is a loser mentality. We had the ball with a first down on the Dallas 30 with a chance to take the lead late in the 3rd quarter and blew it. End of story.

So sick of hearing about Orakpo's missed holding calls every loss . If all he can do is get held without any counter at all and be overly dramatic throwing his arms up in the air then he needs to pack his bags.

 

Did you seriously not even read his first sentence?



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:22 AM

I'm not 100% but it also looked like there was a block in the back on Rocca on that kickoff touchdown run as well.  

From the angle that I seen it sure looked like there was that's what I originally thought the flag was for. Also the  blocked into the ball call was a very bad judgment call.  The call on Coach Burns was the correct call after going back and looking at the tape he was over the white line made contact with the ref and then made contact with the refs arm he is luck that he did not get ejected from the game


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:22 AM

i am blaming the loss on the Refs and ST (although there were missed calls on all of the big run backs).  I thought Moss was interfered or at least contacted with (after 5 yards) on the last pass interception. Not to mention the ususal miss holds. All of the calls re hitting RG3 were fine since he was in the white everytime. 

 

 The Redskins didn't play bad. 

 

I watched the replay of it.  Moss went down on his own.  No PI should of been called.  



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:24 AM

If we get the ball on that punt it's a completely different game! It was still 7-3 at the time, and field position would have been flipped for the rest of the half. 


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:27 AM

Did you seriously not even read his first sentence?

 

I wasn't referring to the OP which is why I didn't quote him. That was my second response in the thread anyway. In my first, I said the officiating is bad both ways. I just get tired of every time we lose a thread pops up about the officiating and somebody above saying the fix was in etc. 

 

That's ridiculous and the mindset that I was referring to. 


...league wide the officiating is disgustingly awful.

Last night saw 30 yards in penalties called on BENCHES, and threw flags on seemingly every other play.

 

It's ridiculous.

The NFL thinks we want to come watch offense, so they insert a ton of rules designed to make it go go go ..    

and what is happenng is we're seeing more and more and more referees.

...

 

I agree with pretty much everything you said. 


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

 

 

the entire rulebook is so far out of whack that teams have absolutely no guarantee of anything resembling continuity between officiating crews. 

 

And that is a big problem.

 

The Blocked into the punt rule being called there is outrageous,,  our man was out of bounds and has the right to re-establish himself in the field of play.

He didn't throw his man into the ball, the ball came down a half-foot behind the other guy's ass..  and while our guy DID shove him, he shoved him to get back on the field.

 

the rulebook is out of control, and refs have waaaaayyy  too many judgment calls to make. 

Football is essentially a simple game, and their attempts to make a rule for every contingency has increased an already difficult job tenfold.

 

And the refs simply can't handle it.

It's not a new problem.

 

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That rule is fine for what it's intended for.  A guy standing near the ball and watching it roll to a halt before it gets downed can't get dragged or wrestled into the ball.  But that play yesterday is not what it's intended for. 

*edit* nevermind.  just read your post more closely.  Agree with you (obviously) our guy has the right to get back in there

 

Guess I'm all alone re Amerson (looks for old "kicking stone" smiley)


Edited by Bliz, 14 October 2013 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:36 AM

You want BAD officiating watch a Mountain West Conference college football game.

 

The call in our favor when RG was going out of bounds was sorta bogus. But it was a hit to the head and with the big settlement from the NFL for concussions, eh, it's going to get called. The ball hitting the D*ll*s player was just plain wrong in my opinion. He was engaged but I've seen that a turnover a hundred times. In fact I don't think I've ever seen it given back to the receiving team like that.But 0-3 in the redzone was the loss. Even more than the ST play.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:38 AM

I have not seen anyone place the blame for this loss on the Refs.  Officiating is always bad.  When you win you tend to overlook it....just like you overlook many bad things.  Bottom line is I think the fumble call on the punt was wrong.  I also can say that in all my years watching and playing football I have never seen a call for a coach interferring with an official on a sideline.  And you can go to any football game at any level and you will see coaches not only on the chalk...but many times on the field.  Now that penalty essentially cost us nothing.  But it is something to see 2 very unusual calls go against your team in one game.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:57 AM

.  I also can say that in all my years watching and playing football I have never seen a call for a coach interferring with an official on a sideline.  And you can go to any football game at any level and you will see coaches not only on the chalk...but many times on the field. 

 

The coaches usually get out of the way of the refs, so it's not called.  But it does happen:  In 2004, the Eagles' securitiy chief collided with a ref while watching a KO and got flagged for 15 yards, and in 2008 Torry Holt got flagged for it for not getting out of the way of a side judge during a punt return.

 

http://www.philly.co.../Holt_Incu.html



#40 roanoker

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:03 AM

The only thing worse than the refs was Collinsworth's mancrush on the cowpiles. He was sickening.






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