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#41 SicEm10

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 06:36 PM

A ham sandwich or a piece of bacon should run. 

You know, something everyone likes.



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:34 PM

NYT: Top Christie Staff Sought Lane Closings as Revenge


"New Jersey officials say that the traffic congestion was caused by Gov. Christie drunkenly stumbling onto the highway, blocking several lanes of traffic."

Should help his cause.

#43 Rdskns2000

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 06:59 PM

Speaking of 2016, Hillary is not a lock.

 

http://www.politico...._1#.Ut8JPbROmUk



#44 Larry

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 07:07 PM

A ham sandwich or a piece of bacon should run.

You know, something everyone likes.


If a piece of bacon ran, 40% of the electorate would immediately hate bacon. :)

#45 PleaseBlitz

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 09:22 PM

I love when people say Christie is too fat.  Most of America is too fat, HE'S A MAN OF THE PEOPLE!



#46 skinsmarydu

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:26 AM

If a piece of bacon ran, 40% of the electorate would immediately hate bacon. :)

And the other 60% would run out to "buy" all available bacon. :)



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:11 AM

You know, everyone assumes Hillary has the Presidency locked up.    While I will say it is hers to lose,  I think it's possible she could lose again.    The liberal base and liberal donors are to the left of her.  They don't really trust her.  Another Obama type candidate, except this time, someone with experience; could challenge her for the nomination and take it from her.



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 12:45 AM

http://nypost.com/20...ger-to-hillary/

 

 

That would very interesting if that happened.  I do think if Elizabeth Warren runs, she would beat Hillary, since she is closer to the base of the Dems.



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 12:56 AM

yawn.  

 

I would like to see it though



#50 No Excuses

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 03:37 AM

http://nypost.com/20...ger-to-hillary/


That would very interesting if that happened. I do think if Elizabeth Warren runs, she would beat Hillary, since she is closer to the base of the Dems.


Ed Klein is such a hack. All of that could be true, except it reads like he completely made everything up for ****s and giggles.

#51 Burgold

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:43 AM

A ham sandwich or a piece of bacon should run. 

You know, something everyone likes.

That's just not kosher.



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 07:00 AM

That would very interesting if that happened.  I do think if Elizabeth Warren runs, she would beat Hillary, since she is closer to the base of the Dems.

Except she has absolutely zero foreign affairs experience...a deal-breaker for me.
Wish Jim Webb would throw his hat in the ring. He & O'Malley would make a formidable team, I think.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:48 PM

Except she has absolutely zero foreign affairs experience...a deal-breaker for me.
Wish Jim Webb would throw his hat in the ring. He & O'Malley would make a formidable team, I think.

 

Jim Webb is too right for the Dems I think..    One thing that will be a big hangover over any Dem candidate, even Hillary; Obama fatigue. I still favor the Dems baring an economic collasp right before the election but he's going to be drag on a candidate.   If Mr. Klein's book is true; then would an Obama clone be what people want in 2016.   

 

Hillary would remind more people of Bill.


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Posted 04 November 2014 - 11:56 PM

On to the 2016 Presidential Race and the Race to be POTUS #45.

 

 

I think I found my 2016 candidate already:

 

http://reason.com/bl...2016-to-provide

 

 

Gary Johnson  in 2016!!!!



#55 The Evil Genius

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 10:34 AM

meh..I hope somone nominates Monty Brewster.


Edited by The Evil Genius, 05 November 2014 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:30 AM

Terry Crews for Prez 2016



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:32 AM

A ham sandwich or a piece of bacon should run. 

You know, something everyone likes.

Jews and Muslims would not vote for that.



#58 Bonez3

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:53 AM

In the history of this country, where does the current lack of leadership rank?

Pretty pathetic.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:58 AM

I think it would be a mistake for the Dems to go with Hillary Clinton.   I mean, if she wins the nomination then obviously, she is the Candidate but I don't know if she could win the Presidency.   The War on Women angle seems to be losing steam so I think she would have to find a new platform to run on.   There are obviously other things she could focus on but would they be successful?

 

This kinda reminds me of where the GOP was at in 2008.  I look around and I don't see a lot of options for the Democrats as an alternative at this point.   Fortunately, the election is two years away.  Nobody saw Barack Obama coming so it's possible. 



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 01:14 PM

 

This kinda reminds me of where the GOP was at in 2008.  I look around and I don't see a lot of options for the Democrats as an alternative at this point.   Fortunately, the election is two years away.  Nobody saw Barack Obama coming so it's possible. 

No one saw Clinton coming, or Carter.  Democrats need to be inspired by something new and different.  Their voting bloc is fickle and will not turn out otherwise.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 01:32 PM

No one saw Clinton coming, or Carter.  Democrats need to be inspired by something new and different.  Their voting bloc is fickle and will not turn out otherwise.

 

No, I think both Clinton and Carter were much different then was Obama.   Clinton was Governor of Arkansas for 14 years. Carter, I could agree with a bit more but still, he was Governor of Georgia for 4 but had been involved in politics since 1963.   Obama had not even finished his first term in the Senate, prior to becoming President.  



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 02:48 PM

On to the 2016 Presidential Race and the Race to be POTUS #45.


I think I found my 2016 candidate already:

http://reason.com/bl...2016-to-provide


Gary Johnson in 2016!!!!


He was my 2012 vote. It was my way of saying eff you to the two party system. And he's right, nothing will ever change as long as those two parties are the only one's who continue to win.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 02:51 PM

Hillary. And it should be an easy win for her. She can just pull the same card Obama did, except instead of calling non-voters racists, you simply call them sexist.

 

The GOP will basically kill themselves in the next two years by cutting as much welfare as possible. Only DoD will get spending. They'll insist on supporting innane social policies that most people don't want. And Hillary will sweep in, probably with Warren at her side, and get elected on beating back big business, giving the middle class more money, and beating the good old boys network.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 03:00 PM

The key for the GoP is whether a centrist candidate can make it through the primaries. If they can they have a shot. 



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 03:17 PM

The key for the GoP is whether a centrist candidate can make it through the primaries. If they can they have a shot.


Assume you mean "without having to spend a year denying that they are, or ever have been, moderate about anything". :)

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 03:48 PM

The GOP will basically kill themselves in the next two years by cutting as much welfare as possible. Only DoD will get spending. They'll insist on supporting innane social policies that most people don't want. And Hillary will sweep in, probably with Warren at her side, and get elected on beating back big business, giving the middle class more money, and beating the good old boys network.

I'll bite my lip & take that. (Would prefer Webb or O'Malley) Especially knowing the platform of the GOP...as you said, social policies that most people don't want. If that's my only other option, I'd have to vote for her.

#67 Larry

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:00 PM

Now, just my opinion. (Maybe this belongs in the "Kilmer's road map to fix the GOP" thread.)

If the GOP are smart, what they do is, not much.

Repeal Obamacare. Pass some small tax cuts. Increase DoD pork spending. But nothing major.

The economy's been getting better for years. But the voters don't think it has. Defecits are like 1/3 what they were when Obama took office. The country has been getting better, without anybody really doing a thing, to make it better. But it's been getting better in ways the voters haven't noticed.

Pass some token things, and the odds are overwhelming that the country will keep getting better.

And I think the odds are pretty good that the GOP can convince enough people that they did it.

(It won't be true. But they've got some really good salesmen, and one heck of a spin machine. As I read once, "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, and that is sufficient.")

But it all depends on whether they can keep the crazys hidden. They did it for a year, and it got them the Senate. But can they keep them locked up?

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:04 PM

Larry, do you mention repealing the ACA because that's what you believe should be done, or because you think that's what the people truly want?  Just asking.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:07 PM

No, I think both Clinton and Carter were much different then was Obama.   Clinton was Governor of Arkansas for 14 years. Carter, I could agree with a bit more but still, he was Governor of Georgia for 4 but had been involved in politics since 1963.   Obama had not even finished his first term in the Senate, prior to becoming President.  

Clinton was Governor of a nothing state (politically).  To suggest he would be President 2 years prior to his election would have brought laughs from even the most savvy.  Once he got his foot in the door, he was impossible to stop.  He was young and hip.  Still, he would not have won without Perot in the race.   Any other Democratic candidate would not have won WITH Perot in the race.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:10 PM

Larry, do you mention repealing the ACA because that's what you believe should be done, or because you think that's what the people truly want?  Just asking.


Neither.

I think it's what the GOP wants. (And, depending on the polls, not even a lot of them.)

But they've really committed themselves to it. It's pretty much the one thing they promised to do, if they got elected. (Well, that and prevent ISIS from carrying Ebola across the border from Mexico.)

I think it's something that their base will demand. And the main electorate won;t kick up too much of a fuss about. (If the general populace was actually terrified about losing Obamacare, they would have shown up to vote, and the GOP wouldn't have won so much.)

I don't think there's a way in the world that Obamacare still exists on, say, April 15th.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:13 PM

Clinton was known for two things - not running in 88 because he feared the extramarital scandals that had run Gary Hart off and for the overly long and boring speech he gave nominating his friend, Dukakis. The real suprise is that Clinton was able to pass Gore in 92 since Gore did run in 88 and didn't implode like Clinton did on the stage that night.

 

Obama was known for the knockout speech he gave as the keynote speaker at the 2004 DNC. He was the up and comer for the Dems and everyone knew it.


Edited by The Evil Genius, 05 November 2014 - 04:16 PM.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:09 PM

And the first GOP possible candidate to get things started for 2016? Jeb Bush. 

 

http://www.washingto...-2016-election/



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Posted Yesterday, 05:15 PM

Also, why Jeb Bush will never be President (reasons other than the abject failures of his brother): 

http://www.bloomberg...-romney-problem



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Posted Yesterday, 05:21 PM

And the first GOP possible candidate to get things started for 2016? Jeb Bush.


You act like the campaigning and jockeying didn't start 5 years ago. :)

For example, Chris Chritie has been getting raked over the coals on the Daily Show, for recently vetoing a bill that passed the NJ Senate by a vote of 23-1, and which is supported by 93% of NJ voters, so that he could suck up to the pig farmer lobby in Iowa.

Heck, I strongly suspect that, when Daddy Bush was in the White House, and W and Jeb decided that gee, they really wanted to move to the two largest (in electoral votes) Republican states in the US, it was with the intention of becoming Governors, so they could run for President.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:49 PM

I really don't have another primary season in me. The stupid on both sides burns.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:58 PM

Clinton was Governor of a nothing state (politically).  To suggest he would be President 2 years prior to his election would have brought laughs from even the most savvy.  Once he got his foot in the door, he was impossible to stop.  He was young and hip.  Still, he would not have won without Perot in the race.   Any other Democratic candidate would not have won WITH Perot in the race.

 

I was 12 when Clinton got elected but what I remember from that election cycle was that he really came out of nowhere. At the time when candidates would've begun fundraising (early 1991), George Bush was riding ~90% approval ratings at the end of the first Gulf War.  It (seemingly) was political suicide for any serious candidate to talk about running against him.  Clinton basically stepped into a void, and then a number of other external factors fell into place (the economy, Ross Perot).



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Posted Yesterday, 07:40 PM

Heck, I strongly suspect that, when Daddy Bush was in the White House, and W and Jeb decided that gee, they really wanted to move to the two largest (in electoral votes) Republican states in the US, it was with the intention of becoming Governors, so they could run for President.

 

I strongly suspect you don't know W's history, Jeb was certainly groomed for it



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Posted Today, 09:20 AM

I really don't have another primary season in me. The stupid on both sides burns.

I feel ya.
But I can't just sit back and let what happened last month happen again.

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Posted Today, 11:16 AM

A word about Jeb.  Im not sure I will support him.  To early and I don't know who else is going to jump in (or, to be specific, claim that they are now open to exploring the possibility of maybe running).

 

But I think Jeb is the perfect flawed candidate.  I love his stance on immigration (as should every person left of Ted Cruz).  I hate his stance on Common Core, but can understand the need for SOMETHING.  I hated what he did with Schiavo.  I loved what he did for Florida businesses as Governor.

 

Are we to the point on both sides where a centrist (as defined by the party, not by the media and general voting populace) is running, and the far extremes on both sides are going to have to hold their nose and vote, rather than the centrists having to hold their nose and vote for an extremist?  I think that's a good thing.

 

I don't know if Jeb can get through the primaries.  And I don't know if he can get past the R in front of Jeb and the Bush behind it.  But I think he's a lot more qualified and willing to compromise than people will give him credit for immediately.  He's a conservative, and to some that will immediately disqualify him.  But he's not an empty suit.  And he's not a nutjob extremist.

 

I'm still hoping Kasich gets in for the GOP and my mancrush Schweitzer gets in for the Dems.



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Posted Today, 11:50 AM

A word about Jeb.  Im not sure I will support him.  To early and I don't know who else is going to jump in (or, to be specific, claim that they are now open to exploring the possibility of maybe running).

 

But I think Jeb is the perfect flawed candidate.  I love his stance on immigration (as should every person left of Ted Cruz).  I hate his stance on Common Core, but can understand the need for SOMETHING.  I hated what he did with Schiavo.  I loved what he did for Florida businesses as Governor.

 

Are we to the point on both sides where a centrist (as defined by the party, not by the media and general voting populace) is running, and the far extremes on both sides are going to have to hold their nose and vote, rather than the centrists having to hold their nose and vote for an extremist?  I think that's a good thing.

 

I don't know if Jeb can get through the primaries.  And I don't know if he can get past the R in front of Jeb and the Bush behind it.  But I think he's a lot more qualified and willing to compromise than people will give him credit for immediately.  He's a conservative, and to some that will immediately disqualify him.  But he's not an empty suit.  And he's not a nutjob extremist.

 

I'm still hoping Kasich gets in for the GOP and my mancrush Schweitzer gets in for the Dems.

 

The problem for Republicans in a national election remains the immigration issue. It's going to sink whichever candidate ultimately wins their primaries because they will be forced to cater to the hard right. There is no escaping that for Jeb either. It's an issue they should have gotten out of the way over the last year.






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