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      Cowboys versus Redskins - now that just sounds correct.
       
      Hello friends, JimmiJo here along with THE Spaceman Spiff. Space is already on the sidelines, yucking it up with the important people. Me? I'm thinking how grateful I am for the 3-car accident on the beltway...
       
      If you cannot get up for this game, there isn't enough viagra made on earth for you. After all; the Redskins are hosting their eternal rival, the Cowboys. Winner will be sitting on top of the division, with a truckload of bragging rights.
       
      What's not to like?
       
      Well, for starters, everybody and their mom is inactive. Chris Thompson Jamison Crowder, Paul Richardson, Quinton Dunbar; all inactive. What a time to have have your top two receivers out. The chatter here in the press box is Washington should do what they can to bring in receivers - to include making a trade with the Raiders for Amari Cooper.
       
      Then there's the question of which Redskins show up? They could come out and light Dallas up. Or, post an anemic effort to suffer another embarrassing lost. Neither would surprise me.
       
      One this is for sure, the distribution in fans is something like 55-45 Redskins. Already an embarrassment. Until you consider this team has done much to earn the lack of support.
       
      Still, you have offer the finger in the middle to those fans who sold their tickets to Dallas fans. What were you thinking?
       
      Back shortly...
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 10 WR Paul Richardson Jr.
      o   No. 23 CB Quinton Dunbar
      o   No. 25 RB Chris Thompson
      o   No. 30 S Troy Apke
      o   No. 55 C Casey Dunn
      o   No. 74 T Geron Christian Sr.
      o   No. 80 WR Jamison Crowder
       
      The team held a touching tribute to my friend Rich Tandler, who passed this week.
       
      Follow along in-game on Twitter @Skinscast
       
      Half
       
      Did you hear the one about the team that got chance after chance but couldn't score more than a touchdown?
      That's right; they are tied at 7 at the half and completely anemic in the second half.
       
      "Against the run of play" is a term you hear in soccer all the time. It is applicable here. It means the better team is either tied or trailing.
       
      Whoever said football was fair?
       
      Washington needs to find a way to get hot in the second half. The Dallas Cowboys are infinitely beatable today.
       
      JimmiJo
       
      How do you like them apples?
      The Washington Redskins sent them home happy today. Along the way my ulcer started bleeding, I threw up twice, and peed the chair I was sitting in.
      Up by 10 at the two-minute warning, I did not expect to be hoping for a missed field goal to avoid overtime. But there I was, crossing fingers and toes and noticibly relieved when the ball bounced off the upright to seal the win.
      A lot of things had to go right for the Dallas Cowboys to even have a shot at the end. A lot more things went right for Washington.
      The Redskins held Ezekiel Elliot to just 33-yards rushing. They forced two fumbles by Dak Prescott, one of which went for a Redskins' touchdown, and sacked him a total of four times. 
      Ryan Kerrigan had his best day of the season, sacking Prescott twice, one of which caused the fumble for the score. Preston Smith scored the touchdown off of the fumble. Jonathan Allen and and Ryan Anderson each logged a sack. DJ Swearinger hit Prescott square on the ball to cause the other fumble by Prescott.
      And then there was the offense.
      Adrian Peterson defies time and physics in what he can still do on the football field. His ability to change directions instantly, the speed he still posesses, and his ability to play through multiple injuries is astonishing. He ran for 99-yards on 24-carries with a 4.1 yard per carry average. 
      Kapri Bibbs, the other back; added just 13-yards rushing. But as a receiver he caught 4 passes for 43-yards and the first touchdown of the game.
      Josh Doctson reeled in 3-receptions for 43-yards. Jordan Reed added 43-yards on his two catches. Maurice Harris logged 2 for 22-yards.
      Alex Smith had a adequate outting. He went 14/25 for 178 yards and a touchdown for a quarterback rating of 98.1. He was sacked once.
      His obvious miss of Jeremy Sprinkle running free in the end zone is almost cause for termination. Connect on that throw and the game is much more comfortable at the end. 
      The real stars of this show were the fat guys in the trenches. The offensive line that opened highway lane-wide holes for Peterson to run through, and the defensive line that wreaked such havok all game. 
       
      But we have to thank Dallas as well for things like an illegal snap to back the field goal unit up at the end. The holding call that negated the big gain one play before the sack/fumble/score was huge. They seemed to find ways to beat themselves.
       
      Despite the above, Dallas was right there until last miss that struck the goalpost. The win was entirely too close for comfort.
       
      But now that's it's over, I sure am enjoying the win.
       
      The Redskins sit alone at the top of the division after 6-weeks. They travel to New York next week where they can continue to help themselves with a win.
       
      But just because New York currently resides in the toilet does not mean they intend to roll-over and play dead. Washington will have their hands full if they don't get more production out of the offense.
       
      That's next week though. For now, I am intent on  enjoying an excellent victory. Against the Dallas Cowboys.
       
      What's not to like?
       
      Talk soon!

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What should we do with the donations?

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In light of the "bets" placed in rayprils' thread, the ES Staff has decided to poll you, its constituents, to see how you feel about how to use the money generated from the bets placed in that thread.

We currently are considering the ideas that appear above among others. If you have an idea that doesn't appear above, please share in detail what you think we should do. The best suggestions are likely to be those that contemplate a plan that benefits the largest numbers of members of the Board, so while we'd like to fund the Staff Retirement Fund :), we are looking for ideas that would provide the most benefit to the most of you.

This is the amount of money that we have to work with:

If the Redskins don't make the playoffs: Current Total: $1710 + TBD

If the Redskins make the playoffs: Current Total: $2845 + TBD + incentives

If the Redskins win the Super Bowl, total donations will be: $4680 + TBD + incentives

If the Eagles win the Super Bowl, total donations will be: $200 + incentives

If the Cowboys win the Super Bowl, total donations will be: $150 + incentives

If the Giants win the Super Bowl, total donations will be: $50 + incentives

Please note that while the ES Staff welcomes suggestions, we are not bound by the outcome of this poll, or by any of the suggestions in this thread.

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Instead of having to look through all the pages of that old thread, could we see how much was donated and from what bets, as well as what money could still potentially be paid?

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I dont like the trust fund idea. Ironically i would be the one who most benefits. But only a few of us even get to go to the tailgates so I don’t think that’s fair.

I think the donation to the hurricane is also nice but how do we know all those people want their money going their.

Not to sound negative but why not cancel the bets altogether so we don’t have to worry about disturbing money?

:helmet: :logo: :helmet:

on a side note where wb36?

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Put it towards the solid gold statue of Joe Gibbs that will go out in front of FedEx after he wins his next SB.

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How about hiring the Redskin cheerleaders to make a guest appearance at the Extremeskins tailgate? :)

Seriously (well, I am serious about the cheerleaders...sorta), how about splitting it between several worthy causes....25% to the tailgate, 50% to the Red Cross, 25% to me....or something like that.

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How about purchasing pairs of tickets to games next year and then randomly picking winners from those that made the bet? Sort of raffle style.

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The dynamics of the thread changed once the site was purchased by the team. The intent of most people was to help off set the cost of running the site. The "make a donation" buttons are gone. It should be voluntary as to whether or not the pledges are made to any particular cause at this point. It is very disengenious to expect a show of support for a site that was not run by a billion dollar organization, to now go the team indirectly. If the site wants to continue to collect donations, the make a donation buttons should come back.

I financially supported ES happily whenever I could the last couple of years, but I find this thread pretty absurd to be honest. I would have zero issue donating if the orginal owners were going out of pocket to keep the site running without advertising, but to try and mandate donations that were intended to go to basically keep the site going, to something less is pretty bad form in my opinion.

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The dynamics of the thread changed once the site was purchased by the team. The intent of most people was to help off set the cost of running the site. The "make a donation" buttons are gone. It should be voluntary as to whether or not the pledges are made to any particular cause at this point. It is very disengenious to expect a show of support for a site that was not run by a billion dollar organization, to now go the team indirectly. If the site wants to continue to collect donations, the make a donation buttons should come back.

I financially supported ES happily whenever I could the last couple of years, but I find this thread pretty absurd to be honest. I would have zero issue donating if the orginal owners were going out of pocket to keep the site running without advertising, but to try and mandate donations that were intended to go to basically keep the site going, to something less is pretty bad form in my opinion.

you do have a point, but I would make the claim that the donations were also made in faith (or no faith) about the outcome of our team. I think maybe we could let the people slide who said they would donate if we dont make the playoffs, but I put up a minor expected contribution and I still have no problem donating if it comes to that. Im sure most here feel the same.

I think that if we donate to the tailgate, it is still supporting the site, cause it is still offering a service of tailgating which is good for all of us to meet each other if we go to the games. Plus, the people running the tailgate (Pez and Huly, 4C, Raub, everyone else) are probably shelling out money of their own for this already. I think we should split the money down the line if anything, though I have no problem giving it for a tailgate fund.

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What if all the money was given to Make A Wish, Susan B Komen, or Operation Smile. I'm sure we could distribute the money to a few charities. Maybe take a poll and let the board decide. Now I have not read the whole thread so I am assuming someone has already said this but just wanted to put it out there. I also like the idea of giving to ES Tailgate for those who put out money to make it happen.

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The dynamics of the thread changed once the site was purchased by the team. The intent of most people was to help off set the cost of running the site. The "make a donation" buttons are gone. It should be voluntary as to whether or not the pledges are made to any particular cause at this point. It is very disengenious to expect a show of support for a site that was not run by a billion dollar organization, to now go the team indirectly. If the site wants to continue to collect donations, the make a donation buttons should come back.

I financially supported ES happily whenever I could the last couple of years, but I find this thread pretty absurd to be honest. I would have zero issue donating if the orginal owners were going out of pocket to keep the site running without advertising, but to try and mandate donations that were intended to go to basically keep the site going, to something less is pretty bad form in my opinion.

This is sort of the way I feel about it...I mean, I was going to happily donate the $300 to the site because you guys were running it out of pocket. Now that you've got the Danny's checkbook behind the site, these bets ARE kind of disingenious.

On the other hand, a bet was made, so I feel obligated to man-up and pay the money I pledged (50 bucks so far). The money going to charity sounds like the best idea in my opinion, because its something every ES member can benefit from (if you don't feel good about donating to charity, then you are a cold individual). The tailgate, while it is definitely a good thing, there are what, maybe 100 members that will benefit from that? And something like 20 or 30 members that will continuously benefit? There are a LOT of fans from different locations who will never be able to benefit from this. Luckily, I will be going to the 12/24 Giants game, but I still think this is a bad idea for the money. Huly, Pez, et. al, what you guys do is wonderful, and I don't know how you support the tailgate, but I do believe it is your choice to do so. I would feel the same way if I lived across the street from Fed-Ex and went to every tailgate, so its not because I'm ~5500 miles away.

And the charity idea is chosen, I definitely think a poll should be created with 5-10 different choices and then voted on by the members. That is the fairest way, imho.

The raffle thing is a bad idea as well, because that is COMPLETELY the opposite of what this bet was originally intended for. I for one would be extremely ticked off if the money I originally intended to help offset the cost of this site went to some random person's game tickets. Maybe that's just me...

Another idea that just came to me is setting up an ES charity? That would probably be a lot of work (and I'm by no means volunteering to do it :silly: - also, being that I'm 5500 miles away, I'm probably not the best choice anway), but it could be pretty cool....maybe taking poor inner city kids to Skins games or something like that. Or buying jerseys for them, or something. Since you have "insider" access to the Skins, you'd probably be able to get discounted prices. Just a thought...it would be specific to the site (not some random charity) and would help spread the Redskins love. You could even set up for the kids to be on the sidelines for the games, meet the players, etc. A lot of good could come from it. Just a thought...

I bet you could convince the Danny to match any donations made as well! I'm actually kind of excited about this idea, the more I think about it. If you want, I'd be willing to do a little research into starting a charity. Or maybe some of the lawyers on this site already know some things about it...?

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........Plus, the people running the tailgate (Pez and Huly, 4C, Raub, everyone else) are probably shelling out money of their own for this already.

I'm not advocating that the money go to the tailgate as I did not pledge any money and I'm pretty unreliable about showing up at their tailgate.......

That said, you are right on the money. The amount of money that all the organizers of the Unofficial Tailgate spend on the tailgate would really surpise most people.

I usually tailgate w/ 4-8 people. Generally I provide the main course food(s) and do something kinda fun for all home games. Everyone provides their own drinks. It really is amazing how fast the costs add up even just in our little circle. The amount of time expended in preparation is more considerable than most would believe.

I cannot fathom the expenses these ExtremeSkins people incur for hog noses, glow sticks, propane, beer, prizes, pinatas, food and everything else that goes into their tailgates. Maybe I'm wrong, put the organizers of this tailgate don't strike me as people that bring home mid 6 figures every year. They are honest hard working folks that are incurring some serious costs for something they really love to do.

If they don't get any money.......b/c the vast majority of ExtremeSkinners don't go to the tailgate - I'd understand.

However, just take what I type to heart and as much as they say just come and bring nothing - try to bring a little something if you attend. A 12 pack of beer - a blow up doll - a couple bags of chips - something to donate to their prize chest - some award winning chili....some food.......

I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say the Unofficial Extreme Skins Tailgate will cure cancer.....but I'm sure it will continue to be a fun place for Skins fans to congregate. I just hope they don't ever lose sight of the tailgate being a place for everyone to come together, feel comfortable and just have a good time tailgating and rooting for YOUR Washington Redskins.

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The dynamics of the thread changed once the site was purchased by the team. The intent of most people was to help off set the cost of running the site. The "make a donation" buttons are gone. It should be voluntary as to whether or not the pledges are made to any particular cause at this point. It is very disengenious to expect a show of support for a site that was not run by a billion dollar organization, to now go the team indirectly. If the site wants to continue to collect donations, the make a donation buttons should come back.

What do you mean by this? That it would be disengenious to expect people to support a site that is run by a large organization? If you hold this to be true, then why would the "make a donation buttons" come back? Who would be the recipient of that money if there's no viable recipient to this money? With that said, I understand your point to the extent that expecting people to give money to an entity that's already well funded would not make sense.

I financially supported ES happily whenever I could the last couple of years, but I find this thread pretty absurd to be honest. I would have zero issue donating if the orginal owners were going out of pocket to keep the site running without advertising, but to try and mandate donations that were intended to go to basically keep the site going, to something less is pretty bad form in my opinion.

I don't know where you are reading that the donations are going to "something less" and I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Certainly the need for donations for site maintenance has diminished since rayprils' thread was started; that I don't contest at all. The point of this thread, which coincidentally I don't think is absurd, is whether we, collectively, can determine if there's a cause that would merit keeping the "bets" in place so that the original intention of rayprils's thread (to help keep ES.com going and to benefit all of the members, thereby) is met in some shape or form.

Where we differ, perhaps, is whether such a cause is out there or if the premise is defeated by virtue of the merger. I maintain that it's not but maybe the responses to this thread will prove otherwise.

Finally, it's obvious that no one, not the staff, not other members, not the 'Skins, has any control over whether a donation is made--so this whole exercise could prove totally theoretical as anyone and everyone can back out whenever and however they please. Then again, that is just as true now as it was when rayprils' thread was started originally.

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I don't know where you are reading that the donations are going to "something less" and I'm not even sure what you mean by that. Certainly the need for donations for site maintenance has diminished since this thrad was started; that I don't contest at all. The point of this thread, which coincidentally I don't think is absurd, is whether we, collectively, can determine if there's a cause that would merit keeping the "bets" in place so that the original intention of rayprils's thread (to help keep ES.com going and to benefit all of the members, thereby) is met in some shape or form.

Where we differ, perhaps, is whether such a cause is out there or if the premise is defeated by virtue of the merger. I maintain that it's not but maybe the responses to this thread will prove otherwise.

Finally, it's obvious that no one, not the staff, not other members, not the 'Skins, has any control over whether a donation is made--so this whole exercise could prove totally theoretical and anyone and everyone can back out whenever and however they please. Then again, that is just as true now as it was when rayprils' thread was started originally.

Well said. I for one don't plan on backing down from my bets. I may have to go on a payment schedule :silly: if everything I bet on comes to fruition which I hope it does, but I'll pay!! :)

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No one on Staff wants any money from any of you. If you recall, we never actively pursued your money when we DID need it. The farthest we ever went in that regard was to sell a few t-shirts and hats and put a 'no pressure' Make-a-Donation link (which btw, still got you a hat, t-shirt, or fleece). Thats in stark contrast to just about every other internet site out there. We were so concerned that your time here be enjoyable, we turned away advertisers for years so your view of the best Redskin's site anywhere would be unmarred by pop-up ads and other advertising eyesores.

So if you guys want to discuss these 'bets', knock yourselves out - but it has nothing to do with this Website. They were your bets to begin with, we did nothing to either encourage them or promote them. We didn't care about money then, and we don't care now.

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Our heros take the time out to make us here on ES feel more a part of the family, what charity do they support? Would be a cool gesture to have a seasonal collection to help those less fortunate than the majority of us here, and support the people who bust a gut trying to give us what we want as fans at the same time.

Get something like that going and I am happy to donate.

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No one on Staff wants any money from any of you. If you recall, we never actively pursued your money when we DID need it. The farthest we ever went in that regard was to sell a few t-shirts and hats and put a 'no pressure' Make-a-Donation link (which btw, still got you a hat, t-shirt, or fleece). Thats in stark contrast to just about every other internet site out there. We were so concerned that your time here be enjoyable, we turned away advertisers for years so your view of the best Redskin's site anywhere would be unmarred by pop-up ads and other advertising eyesores.

So if you guys want to discuss these 'bets', knock yourselves out - but it has nothing to do with this Website. They were your bets to begin with, we did nothing to either encourage them or promote them. We didn't care about money then, and we don't care now.

I didn't get a hat, t-shirt or fleece when I donated to the site! :( Of course, that wasn't the reason I donated to the site...

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The Bubba Fund Home for attractive wayward nympho's 18-29

also affectionately known as

Hump House

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The Bubba Fund Home for attractive wayward nympho's 18-29

also affectionately known as

Hump House

Right. The one where the better half clearly approves of. ;)

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