Voice_of_Reason

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  1. Rank the Skins' head coaches over the last 25 years

    @thesubmittedone and @Skinsinparadise I know how you two feel about Jay, but this is getting ridiculous. Here's what Gibbs II had to deal with: 1. He had Vinny. Which was worse than Allen. 2. He had to clean up after the Spurrier debacle. 3. He had the best player on his team literally murdered with 5 games to go in 2007 4. He (and some of this is his fault on the personnel side) had Brunnell, Ramsey, JC and Todd Collins at QB And with all of that, in 4 years they went to the playoffs twice and won a road playoff game. Gruden's best season in 2015 was 9-7, which was the lesser record of the two Gibbs II playoff seasons. Also, when Gibbs' teams had "win and get in" games, they won them. Gruden's teams have not. That's a pretty big differentiator. . If we're just judging the head coaching and what they had to deal with, there's absolutely no question that Gibbs II is better than anybody else since Gibbs I, and it's really not even remotely close. Heck, if Gibbs II had a QB like Cousins, they might have just won a SB. Further, if Gibbs II was coaching the 2016 and 2017 Redskins, they probably get 1-2 more wins and make the playoffs, because even the second time around, he was a better coach than Gruden. And that's not a slight on Gruden in any way. Gibbs might be the absolute best coach in the history of the NFL, including Bellichick, Lombardi, Parcells, you name it, in getting the most out of the team that he had. He could take yours and beat his, or his and beat yours. Maybe he lost 20% of that from the first stint, which STILL puts him above the vast, vast, vast majority of coaches. It might surprise you to see my list: 1. Gibbs 2. Gruden (see, surprise! Given my reputation as a Gruden hater. I bet you thought he would be further down my list... 3. Marty - I still swear that if he wasn't fired, the team makes the playoffs (and then probably loses it's first game) at least the next 4-5 years. He also installed some discipline and toughness after the Norv years. If there was one coach I would move up a notch it would be Marty. He did have to deal with the Jeff George debacle, and at least try and make that work, which it didn't. Hell, the dude got TONY FREAKING BANKS to win games. That really says everything you need to know about Marty. 4. Shanahan - He gets credit for coaching the team to a division title, figuring out an almost unstoppable offense in 2012. 5. Norv - Made the playoffs and won a home game. While he was basically a born loser as a HC, he also was saddled with the beginning of FA and a team that had to be completely rebuilt by the most overrated Redskin executive of all time, Charlie Casserly, then with Snyder and Vinny. He was at least competent. He's the last competent HC on this list. 6. Petibon - mostly because emotionally I can't put him below the embarrassments. He is a Redskin Legend as a DC, and I wouldn't put him below.. 7a. Spurrier - He just didn't care. 7b. He was completely in over his head. Which wasn't entirely his fault.
  2. The "Non" Mt Rushmore Symbols of the Dan Snyder Era

    I lumped the entire 2000 group together because ALL of them were bad, and the whole lot of them were a symbol together. I think it’s impossible not to have spurrier on the list. If if I had to pick one of the 2000 guys as the worst symbol, it would be George. QB who we didn’t need, locker room cancer, divisive, owner fired a coach because he was unwilling to play the guy, etc. Archuletta was bad, but not Jeff George bad.
  3. Evaluating Jay Gruden in 2018

    Since the last post in this thread (or there abouts), much has happened: - FA has essentially concluded - The draft has taken place - The schedule was released - OTAs and Mini-camps have wrapped up And we're now on our way towards training camp starting in about 5 - 6 weeks. I thought it would be a good time to re-evaluate some of the criteria on which Gruden will be judged this year. As a friendly reminder, this is not the place to either eviscerate or defend Gruden, it's just to lay out what the expectations are of Gruden and what we will be looking for in the head coach next year. I went back and looked at my thoughts when I started the thread, and the first two things I identified as things I would watch stand out even more now than they did then. 1. Must get off to a good start. I said before that they had to solve the slow start issue, and win the opener for the first time under Gruden. That was before the schedule came out. Now it's out. They open with Arizona on the road and then Indy at home. If they are well prepared, they are more talented than both of these teams and should win both. They don't at all have the luxury of a slow start this year under any circumstance, in my opinion. Gruden's got to get them prepared and they have to start quickly. Hopefully the slow starts the last 3 years were more on Cousins being a slow starter than Gruden. We will see. Week 1 and 2 are essentially must-win games in my mind at this point, given the opponents. You don't want to lose to 2 average talented teams with first year HCs and then put yourself in position to HAVE to beat a more talented team down the road. 2. Improved running game. They spent their second pick in the draft on a very talented RB. They have talked about the running game all off-season. They clearly are going to focus on running the ball more effectively, if not more often. While previously you could say there wasn't enough talent to really have a dynamic running game, I don't think you can say that anymore. The only question mark on the OL is at LG. You have pro-bowl players at LT and RG, and Moses, when healthy, is a very solid RT. Center you have a young guy who has played well. Now you have a high-draft pick, talented RB who seems to have explosion, vision and power. Granted, he's a rookie, but this is a position where being a rookie doesn't mean you can't contribute in a meaningful way. There is also depth at RB with Kelley and Perine (one of whom probably won't make the team). You also have a QB who can keep the ball on some design runs, or read option type plays, and has excelled at including that as part of his game. The big question mark is still the outside blocking ability of the TEs and WRs. However, I can't see any way to give a pass on not being able to run the ball effectively this year. If they can't, then you've got to look at coaching and scheme. I personally believe they WILL be able to run the ball significantly better with the upgrades in personnel. However if they can't, I believe the blame will lie squarely on the coaches inability to figure out how to design, coach and call a good run game. None of my other criteria has changed (end of half/game situational coaching, not blowing 2 possession leads, no duds and overall record) because there really isn't any new information to change those in any way. However I think we have more information on the quick start and the running game, and those two areas of interest for me are even heightened now. I also believe the expectations of the team are generally higher now than they were several months ago, based on the seemingly easier opening schedule, good draft, and Alex Smith being talked openly about as being an upgrade... Happy Father's Day everybody!
  4. The "Non" Mt Rushmore Symbols of the Dan Snyder Era

    You can’t tske any of the 4 I have off for Zorn. Also, I see Zorn as just a coaching extension of Vinny. He’s represented...
  5. The "Non" Mt Rushmore Symbols of the Dan Snyder Era

    I generally don’t like to pule on, but... 1. Vinny 2. Albert Haynesworth 3. Deion/Jeff George/Bruce Smith/ all the other 2000 over the hill gang 4. Spurrier
  6. 2017 - 18 Stanley Cup Champion Washington Capitals Thread

    Tom Wilson on ESPNRadio right now...
  7. I see the same with my parents and MSNBC. I also see it with some friends who've gone completely nuts after watching FoxNews every night. I had one who was convinced O'Reilly was a non-partisan, no spin truth teller. I mean, that's just not factually accurate, like him or hate him, at least recognize what you're watching....
  8. 2017 - 18 Stanley Cup Champion Washington Capitals Thread

    Ok, how the hell do I find a specific Instagram story?
  9. Random Thought Thread

    Technology fail duplicate post removed.
  10. Random Thought Thread

    Has there been any discussion about Chick being out at NBCSports? I just saw the news this morning...
  11. 2017 - 18 Stanley Cup Champion Washington Capitals Thread

    It might have to be a paid cable show...
  12. 2017 - 18 Stanley Cup Champion Washington Capitals Thread

    This is a pretty epic... Wilson guzzles beer? I never would have thought that...
  13. 2017 - 18 Stanley Cup Champion Washington Capitals Thread

    I just watched the PTI segment from Friday on the Caps. 2 thoughts: 1. They started with 2 stories on the NBA because Wilbon is a paid NBA stooge. 2. His point about Ovi is stupid. He’s an all time great. Period. I am all for not allowing Wilbon back into the DMV ever. Lifetime ban for the bum.
  14. ***2018-19 NBA Offseason Thread***

    The season was over last July. At least this year there’s some intreaguing this year seeing where Bron Bron ends up... to see which team will lose to the Warriors again...
  15. 2017 - 18 Stanley Cup Champion Washington Capitals Thread

    Went to the game 1 watch party. Before the game, there was a fire truck doing the honk honk honk thing. That was pretty cool.