@thesubmittedone and @Skinsinparadise I know how you two feel about Jay, but this is getting ridiculous.
Here's what Gibbs II had to deal with:
1. He had Vinny. Which was worse than Allen.
2. He had to clean up after the Spurrier debacle.
3. He had the best player on his team literally murdered with 5 games to go in 2007
4. He (and some of this is his fault on the personnel side) had Brunnell, Ramsey, JC and Todd Collins at QB
And with all of that, in 4 years they went to the playoffs twice and won a road playoff game.
Gruden's best season in 2015 was 9-7, which was the lesser record of the two Gibbs II playoff seasons. Also, when Gibbs' teams had "win and get in" games, they won them. Gruden's teams have not. That's a pretty big differentiator. .
If we're just judging the head coaching and what they had to deal with, there's absolutely no question that Gibbs II is better than anybody else since Gibbs I, and it's really not even remotely close. Heck, if Gibbs II had a QB like Cousins, they might have just won a SB. Further, if Gibbs II was coaching the 2016 and 2017 Redskins, they probably get 1-2 more wins and make the playoffs, because even the second time around, he was a better coach than Gruden.
And that's not a slight on Gruden in any way. Gibbs might be the absolute best coach in the history of the NFL, including Bellichick, Lombardi, Parcells, you name it, in getting the most out of the team that he had. He could take yours and beat his, or his and beat yours. Maybe he lost 20% of that from the first stint, which STILL puts him above the vast, vast, vast majority of coaches.
It might surprise you to see my list:
2. Gruden (see, surprise! Given my reputation as a Gruden hater. I bet you thought he would be further down my list...
3. Marty - I still swear that if he wasn't fired, the team makes the playoffs (and then probably loses it's first game) at least the next 4-5 years. He also installed some discipline and toughness after the Norv years. If there was one coach I would move up a notch it would be Marty. He did have to deal with the Jeff George debacle, and at least try and make that work, which it didn't. Hell, the dude got TONY FREAKING BANKS to win games. That really says everything you need to know about Marty.
4. Shanahan - He gets credit for coaching the team to a division title, figuring out an almost unstoppable offense in 2012.
5. Norv - Made the playoffs and won a home game. While he was basically a born loser as a HC, he also was saddled with the beginning of FA and a team that had to be completely rebuilt by the most overrated Redskin executive of all time, Charlie Casserly, then with Snyder and Vinny. He was at least competent. He's the last competent HC on this list.
6. Petibon - mostly because emotionally I can't put him below the embarrassments. He is a Redskin Legend as a DC, and I wouldn't put him below..
7a. Spurrier - He just didn't care.
7b. He was completely in over his head. Which wasn't entirely his fault.